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145. Backtracking now? You said that the way to go was to follow the Whistle Blower Protection rules.

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 09:54 PM

Aug 2013

I pointed out that that doesn't work, see Binney and Drake.

If a Whistle Blower reveals information of wrong doing, whether s/he goes to a Reporter, see Ellsberg, or not, he should NOT be prosecuted what he reveals is true.

Ellsberg didn't spend years in jail, AND he was out on bail while his case was going forward. AND what he did compared to Manning, as Ellsberg himself has pointed out, was far more 'illegal' since he published TOP SECRET information. Manning chose not to do that, even though he could have.

If the leaks expose corruption and crimes the Whistle Blower should be treated as a WITNESS in the trials of the perps.

But that would be in a country that respects the rule of law, a country that prosecutes War Criminals, not those who expose them.

And this is not that country.

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The Whistle Blower gets 35 years. When do we get to the War Criminals he exposed? [View all] sabrina 1 Aug 2013 OP

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BTW...she's transgender. nt Zorra Aug 2013 #37

Yes, have you read the war logs where Manning talks about these issues? sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #53

BTW .... what the hell does that have to do with this article? dothemath Aug 2013 #66

It has NOTHING to do with the article, bvar22 Aug 2013 #86

ALL they have left HangOnKids Aug 2013 #95

There are people on these forums smiling with glee at this sentence. 1awake Aug 2013 #2

But if it happened during the Bush era, there would not be a single supporter of this outrage. sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #7

Yea I know, and i don't think they care. Support at all costs, screw morals and beliefs. n/t 1awake Aug 2013 #8

I love that insignia ... sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #9

Feel free.. made in a fit of frustration lol. n/t 1awake Aug 2013 #11

Lol, very creative way to vent frustration! sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #20

Your graphic is awesome! n/t truedelphi Aug 2013 #108

The hypocrisy is staggering. LWolf Aug 2013 #15

Sociopaths don't experience that emotion. They have no shame. sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #21

these celebrated thugs Chaco Dundee Aug 2013 #60

They don't, they have zero capacity to empathize with other human beings. How we ever allowed sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #81

we can hope and edjucate. Chaco Dundee Aug 2013 #84

I agree, but having tried to do that for over a decade now, I haven't seen much progress. Still sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #87

33 years Chaco Dundee Aug 2013 #102

Kudos for trying. There have been a few break throughs, the Freedom Fries Congressman eg sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #116

thank you. Chaco Dundee Aug 2013 #126

Absolutely. I am sorry about your losses, it is heart-breaking to think how many wonderful lives sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #144

thanks again Chaco Dundee Aug 2013 #146

He didnd't "espose" any war criminals. kelliekat44 Aug 2013 #35

Did we? Then what happened? Why were they not prosecuted? sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #39

Blind loyalty to any politician, Barack Obama or anyone else is very destructive IMO. totodeinhere Aug 2013 #49

+1 NealK Aug 2013 #67

Creeps me out too. bvar22 Aug 2013 #89

I completely agree. sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #69

horse manure Egnever Aug 2013 #134

If you think 35 years is merciful I'd hate to see your definition of what he deserved. And 1awake Aug 2013 #137

Yes, the person who exposed war crimes should get life while the War Criminals are being sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #143

Don't hold your breath. nt City Lights Aug 2013 #3

You heard the ruling elite on that one - "off the table" were the words. nt TBF Aug 2013 #4

That was the first warning we had of how things were going to be. She never explained that sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #90

I wouldn't want to talk about it either if I were her - TBF Aug 2013 #93

She never responds to questions about that. People do ask her at protests etc, she gets sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #98

It's interesting, but not surprising... Scootaloo Aug 2013 #5

He's a hero no matter what they do to him. This will likely only make him more of a hero sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #6

I've talked about US criminality against foreigners to right-wingers cpwm17 Aug 2013 #56

Interesting post, thak ou. sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #111

Seems our current Dem. Adminstration does indeed want to defend the Bush war criimes: dixiegrrrrl Aug 2013 #10

Amazing that we once thought that if we elected democrats things would begin to change. sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #12

What we failed to realize is that they can be bribed with loads of campaign cash just like Repugs! Dustlawyer Aug 2013 #59

Absolutely, you are 100% correct imo. Public funding, every candidate has the same sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #83

It's insane. Enthusiast Aug 2013 #105

K&R. n/t myrna minx Aug 2013 #13

K&R&(a very sad)LOL. Egalitarian Thug Aug 2013 #14

K&R for Truth Tellers Octafish Aug 2013 #16

John Fugelsang was making this very same point moments ago bullwinkle428 Aug 2013 #17

Yeah, Steph is one of the loudest cheerleaders. OnyxCollie Aug 2013 #19

Wasn't her father a Republican Senator or Congressman? sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #117

Didn't see that yet, but it is being noted around the Internet that the War Criminals have yet to sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #30

Whoever says that "Crime doesn't pay" is wrong. AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #42

That should be posted all over the country. Concise and to the point and true. sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #121

Thank you Bradley. You are a Hero!!! PowerToThePeople Aug 2013 #18

Are these war criminals rich? abelenkpe Aug 2013 #22

Here's a photo of them, I would say they are obscenley wealthy, but I could be wrong: sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #31

K & R !!! WillyT Aug 2013 #23

DURec leftstreet Aug 2013 #24

The day we get to the war criminals, I'll be right there with my knitting needles Catherina Aug 2013 #25

Lol, and I will join you. sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #64

deFarge joke or Demolition Man joke? but I wonder how many years Old Gimlet Eye would've gotten MisterP Aug 2013 #76

Mme deFarge. The needles have sharp sharp points Catherina Aug 2013 #78

So far, it looks like we'll have to wait until we can get some Real Democrats to replace the sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #96

Behring Breivik killed 77 children, got less time. My Lai massacre got less time Catherina Aug 2013 #101

All those issues SHOULD be of paramount importance in the next election. sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #118

one problem is the war criminals you reference have incredibly good lawyers, know how to line up KittyWampus Aug 2013 #26

One little thing they have that you forgot. They have the US Government protecting them, sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #33

In an alternate universe, the USA and its governing officials truedelphi Aug 2013 #109

of course the verdict was forgone HE WAS GUILTY AND ADMITTED IT. KittyWampus Aug 2013 #119

So was Ellsberg. Your point is what? Bush and Cheney were guilty too, although I'd still sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #120

... Solly Mack Aug 2013 #27

Nothing. The war criminals and the people responsible for prosecuting them NuclearDem Aug 2013 #28

We only punish the easy targets, the BFEE is way above the law. Rex Aug 2013 #29

K&R. It's a very sad day, just one of many since Obama was elected. MotherPetrie Aug 2013 #32

Let's get real: we will never "get" the "real war criminals." malthaussen Aug 2013 #34

Obama DOJ Asks Court to Grant Immunity to George W. Bush For Iraq War HomerRamone Aug 2013 #36

These two stories being in the news on the same day. Now that's irony. limpyhobbler Aug 2013 #40

Yes, I just saw that earlier. sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #43

The hits just keep on comin'. If "Democrats" nominate another neocon for President Zorra Aug 2013 #48

Something has to change in the way we elect people to office. One thing we can do is sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #122

Maybe we need a People's PAC dreamnightwind Aug 2013 #133

People have lost trust. A people's pac is a possibility, so long as the money only goes to sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #135

K & R historylovr Aug 2013 #38

Free Bradley Manning limpyhobbler Aug 2013 #41

I am calling upon President Barack Obama to issue a full pardon to Bradley totodeinhere Aug 2013 #44

I'm sure you can show... one_voice Aug 2013 #45

Anyone who calls Manning a traitor is supporting the protection of Bush war criminals. sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #52

That "trial" was a sick joke. NealK Aug 2013 #68

Yes, it was, as expected. And it's ludicrous to the use the argument that 'military takes these sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #71

yep stupidicus Aug 2013 #46

But he hurt some feelings by exposing lies. dougolat Aug 2013 #57

and that's infinitely worse than stupidicus Aug 2013 #70

So now when RoccoR5955 Aug 2013 #47

Yes, I'm going to find the petition for the Nobel Peace Prize for Manning and start sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #58

Big K&R! blackspade Aug 2013 #50

K&R forestpath Aug 2013 #51

Unfortunately Manning doesn't have the kind of power and money it takes to buy his freedom. Bush and liberal_at_heart Aug 2013 #54

They are not defending the bush administration nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #55

That clearly is the elephant in the room that both the defenders of the vindictive punishment of any Dragonfli Aug 2013 #72

I guess is all that reading of history nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #74

Whether they are doing it consciously or unconsciously, when they agree to silence and sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #124

This is where we differ...I gave up on the D-R mythology nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #127

You're not alone on that anymore.. I am hearing this from more and more people on both sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #129

Why would they be upset? nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #130

They were distracted by trivia. 'Did you see what Limbaugh said today about Liberals' sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #136

Rush who? nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #139

He served his purpose, his schtick isn't working anymore. sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #140

I'm not sure it is no longer working nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #141

I am humbled by his awesome bravery. He will always be MY hero. joanbarnes Aug 2013 #61

See Henry Kissinger for an example of our "justice" system. Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2013 #62

Manning made TPTB look bad gopiscrap Aug 2013 #63

I read recently this is 17 times the sentence DirkGently Aug 2013 #65

You know what? I don't care for the letter behind the name nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #75

Good point. But those letters may be useful in helping others frame DirkGently Aug 2013 #77

Perfect example: NealK Aug 2013 #79

Excellent research! DirkGently Aug 2013 #113

Well, to be honest someone posted the quote the other day. NealK Aug 2013 #114

Unbelievable. I am going to have to bookmark this because that very Amendment is the same one that sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #142

More and more people are beginning to see that. They are getting careless. For a while we sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #80

What they fear is a voter revolt nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #88

K&R woo me with science Aug 2013 #73

It breaks my heart. Autumn Aug 2013 #82

You are not alone. We have become what we said we were fighting. sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #85

Either they never read Nietzsche... malthaussen Aug 2013 #91

Blind greed and lust for power. They don't see or care about anything but controlling the sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #104

Outrageous colsohlibgal Aug 2013 #92

The shame of it all is that if he had followed the whistle blower laws hack89 Aug 2013 #94

That is pure BS. See Drake and Binney. whose revelations should have sparked sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #103

The Military Whistleblower Protection Act of 1988 doesn't apply to them hack89 Aug 2013 #106

Really? All he had to do was what DRAKE AND BINNEY DID!! sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #128

No - he was persecuted for leaking information to a reporter. Which is illegal. hack89 Aug 2013 #138

Backtracking now? You said that the way to go was to follow the Whistle Blower Protection rules. sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #145

Instead of that imaginary law in your head hack89 Aug 2013 #147

Maybe you should look at the people who did everything according to the rules of the Whistle sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #148

Drake leaked material to Siobhan Gorman of The Baltimore Sun hack89 Aug 2013 #149

Ever heard the saying, "Justice may be blind, but it can smell money"? n/t winter is coming Aug 2013 #97

No, but I will remember it. It sounds pretty accurate. sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #99

It seems to me warrprayer Aug 2013 #100

Kick! NealK Aug 2013 #107

Good Question and what about the Torturers...the Multi-National Corporations..the KoKo Aug 2013 #110

So he was convicted of "whistleblowing"? 4bucksagallon Aug 2013 #112

Whistle Blowing is now terrorism in the US. sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #115

I voted for Kucinich. flvegan Aug 2013 #123

That's what every Democrat should do next time. If, and I can't see it not happening, they sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #125

The Obama Administration is going full speed ahead on prosecutions under the Espionage Act. totodeinhere Aug 2013 #131

Sometimes I read comments like that from Obama, which is why I supported him. Then sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #132