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35. Chelsea Manning has a lot of Moxie

Fri Aug 23, 2013, 09:14 AM

Aug 2013

If it were me, and if I were transgender, which I'm not, I would have kept it in the closet due to fear of harassment and abuse in prison -- military prison, no less. I have to give it the previous-Bradley Manning, who has requested to be considered a female, named Chelsea, that she has a lot of moxie and courage to be willing to step on this path. Whatever you may think of her decision to leak secrets, please consider that she has a noble heart. That's what's important.

Here's my prediction: One day Manning, assuming she doesn't die in prison, will gain freedom and become a spokesperson for whatever causes and projects appeal to her passion for truth. Maybe about politics, LGBT rights, peace, whatever.

So here's my question to DUers. Anyone know how to writer to her in prison?

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Chelsea Manning is teaching me a lot about my "compatriots" today [View all] Scootaloo Aug 2013 OP

Hear, hear! nt Mnemosyne Aug 2013 #1

K&R idwiyo Aug 2013 #2

K&R! Skinner needs to upgrade his banhammer to a ban-jackhammer. backscatter712 Aug 2013 #3

At least one long-time member has been PPR'd. Let's hope there's a few more coming. n/t nomorenomore08 Aug 2013 #154

I think we're all learning a little more at a time about LuvNewcastle Aug 2013 #4

K & R!!! Theyletmeeatcake2 Aug 2013 #5

It's projection vlyons Aug 2013 #40

Well said n/t Violet_Crumble Aug 2013 #6

I haven't been following this, but I am sickened to hear LiberalEsto Aug 2013 #7

I think they have a place here... Half-Century Man Aug 2013 #33

I didn't agree with what Manning did before I learned anything about his gender identity issues. kelliekat44 Aug 2013 #8

I'm going to respond, not to kindly, to transphobia, whether one thinks it's hurtful or not. boston bean Aug 2013 #9

Gender identity. morningfog Aug 2013 #16

No, DUers do NOT have a right to express transphobia in this community. If they do, Heidi Aug 2013 #19

Actually, they do have a right vlyons Aug 2013 #48

It's not one's job to educate those who refuse to see. Why is this responsibility boston bean Aug 2013 #50

As a Buddhist, I consider that everyone out there, yes even you, vlyons Aug 2013 #72

I see the people who are the brunt of this bigotry needing compassion, not those that inflict it. boston bean Aug 2013 #74

that's a pretty limited viewpoint. Tunkamerica Aug 2013 #147

who will do it then? treestar Aug 2013 #77

Oh yeah, You go and do some edumacating these bigots, see how far you get. boston bean Aug 2013 #79

Aren't you just making a way to feel superior? treestar Aug 2013 #81

Yeah, take your victim blaming bullshit elsewhere please. boston bean Aug 2013 #82

"You have plenty of rights." QC Aug 2013 #109

Wow! I missed that but it doesn't surprise me considering the source. neverforget Aug 2013 #141

No, they don't. backscatter712 Aug 2013 #56

You are correct vlyons Aug 2013 #73

He didn't miss anything. East Coast Pirate Aug 2013 #131

Free speech does not apply in a private forum. n/t Ms. Toad Aug 2013 #126

Free speech doesn't cover... awoke_in_2003 Aug 2013 #143

Nope. But they can be as misogynistic as they like. kestrel91316 Aug 2013 #132

Not if I'm on the jury. (nt) Heidi Aug 2013 #144

I don't even know why that's a thing cactusfractal Aug 2013 #10

Her gender identity was known since 2010. joshcryer Aug 2013 #11

+1 Morning Dew Aug 2013 #119

i had no idea. barbtries Aug 2013 #146

Two Totally Different Issues... KharmaTrain Aug 2013 #12

I agree with you davidpdx Aug 2013 #46

K&R caseymoz Aug 2013 #13

Unrec brooklynite Aug 2013 #14

Seriously. Since yesterday, so many of these grandstanding call out threads... onehandle Aug 2013 #18

It is all about making this about Manning. zeemike Aug 2013 #25

Wow, you really come off as down market in these threads, very crude and crass thinking Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #27

I said one thing only...that no example was given of the alleged transphobia brooklynite Aug 2013 #44

Then read the thread by michigandem some number or another boston bean Aug 2013 #80

so sad to see this here. if you can't see it yourself, you haven't looked. nt boston bean Aug 2013 #32

wasnt even looking.... but got ro see it anyway all over the site - Pissed & lunasun Aug 2013 #137

Then apparently you have been ignoring the entire dust-up... joeybee12 Aug 2013 #95

Here is one example from a jury reslt this morning: Hassin Bin Sober Aug 2013 #96

And some people are being way over sensitive Lee-Lee Aug 2013 #15

You should link to that hidden post, your characterization of it matters not. Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #28

They get to double down RandiFan1290 Aug 2013 #29

Sorry, but nothing I said was bigoted Lee-Lee Aug 2013 #38

Having read your statement in context, I concur. AverageJoe90 Aug 2013 #133

Here. bunnies Aug 2013 #71

No that isn't really what you said maddezmom Aug 2013 #47

So when a person is trans Lee-Lee Aug 2013 #49

You are free to express your opinion and others are free to form an opinion based on your posts. maddezmom Aug 2013 #57

I don't think Manning tried to pull that, but Kaitlyn and her mom sure did snooper2 Aug 2013 #76

K&R Disagreement with Manning's actions should not translate into hate or transphobia. nt stevenleser Aug 2013 #17

thank you. I'm finding the contempt and hate for trans people here cali Aug 2013 #20

Wonder what some would say about someone that lived a stellar military life and career? Rebellious Republican Aug 2013 #21

I have no problem with Manning's Skidmore Aug 2013 #22

Enough of these bullshit 'victim' threads railsback Aug 2013 #23

Food for thought..... Rebellious Republican Aug 2013 #24

I can't ignore bullshit passed around like its reality railsback Aug 2013 #52

Thanks for another bump! Rebellious Republican Aug 2013 #53

Here's another - I don't care about bumps railsback Aug 2013 #55

Thanks for the contribution, it seems to be working. Rebellious Republican Aug 2013 #60

Let's keep bumping, then railsback Aug 2013 #62

Bump Rebellious Republican Aug 2013 #134

That's you. Somebody had to call out the OP's Bullshit. Cha Aug 2013 #115

Thanks for the bump! Rebellious Republican Aug 2013 #135

Whatever you call it, thanks again for the bump. Rebellious Republican Aug 2013 #136

+1 treestar Aug 2013 #75

Your ignorance about whats been going on here... bunnies Aug 2013 #78

So... railsback Aug 2013 #91

I guess you missed the part bunnies Aug 2013 #92

Yes, those are stupid insensitive asshole posts. And, I've never seen Cha Aug 2013 #117

Have you seen Trumads OP? bunnies Aug 2013 #122

Just because you don't see it doesn't mean it's not there. Just saying. nomorenomore08 Aug 2013 #155

I go through all these threads railsback Aug 2013 #158

I accept that there may be some "jumping to conclusions" involved. nomorenomore08 Aug 2013 #159

I don't deny there's bigotry towards trans. Outside this site, it runs rampant railsback Aug 2013 #161

A long-standing DUer whom I used to respect just stated HardTimes99 Aug 2013 #26

His pro-woman stance was ALWAYS a bullshit act. nt Bonobo Aug 2013 #68

People are people. tridim Aug 2013 #30

It's not difficult to treat people with dignity and not mock myrna minx Aug 2013 #34

Her sexual orientation is IRRELEVANT, as everyone's should be. tridim Aug 2013 #42

Not to some. earthside Aug 2013 #54

Please learn the difference - Hell Hath No Fury Aug 2013 #83

Really thank you... this site is getting like a rehash of some old Archie Bunker rerun.......... lunasun Aug 2013 #139

Kind of shocking -- Hell Hath No Fury Aug 2013 #148

neo-DU LWolf Aug 2013 #37

I agree it is irrelevant, but her defense team is making it an issue Lee-Lee Aug 2013 #51

Her attorney wants her to get medical treatment maddezmom Aug 2013 #59

This has nothing to do with Manning's enlightenment Aug 2013 #128

It's unacceptable is should not be tolerated on DU. myrna minx Aug 2013 #31

I'm having difficulty making sense of the callousness of some here Puzzledtraveller Aug 2013 #39

It really is shameful. myrna minx Aug 2013 #45

Chelsea Manning has a lot of Moxie vlyons Aug 2013 #35

Truly astounding some of the callousness that's been on display. Puzzledtraveller Aug 2013 #36

Some of the political opportunism too Catherina Aug 2013 #88

The hateful rightwingers that DU has allowed to fester here are hateful. Romulox Aug 2013 #41

I think it's as simple as this Hydra Aug 2013 #125

I wish Chelsea Manning all the best Swagman Aug 2013 #43

I think there is a lot of posturing going on right now. Your OP is the same as painting large #'s KittyWampus Aug 2013 #58

How about you stick to whether you think there is any of it on DU. boston bean Aug 2013 #61

Go back an reread my post where I CLEARLY say there is SOME which at least in part comes from KittyWampus Aug 2013 #63

It was your deflection I am speaking to. boston bean Aug 2013 #64

I deflected nothing. I pointed out posturing for political points by using a broad brush. KittyWampus Aug 2013 #65

Accusing people who see it as posturing leads me to believe you boston bean Aug 2013 #66

Meritless? Go back an re-read my original post. Yet you continue down this particular asinine path. KittyWampus Aug 2013 #69

Nice work at deflection. I suggest you re-read what you wrote. Then read boston bean Aug 2013 #70

I just hope she EC Aug 2013 #67

i don't agree with everything she did but i have no problem with Manning being transgender. dionysus Aug 2013 #84

regardles of whether you are for or against Manning DonCoquixote Aug 2013 #85

Yeah, it's the "Love me, I'm a liberal!" thing, right? If you know what I mean... nomorenomore08 Aug 2013 #156

Manning, IMO, is guilty of treason. Manning's gender identification is of no consequence to me. scheming daemons Aug 2013 #86

But factually speaking, Manning was not even charged with treason. This makes your opinion silly. Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #107

I didn't say that Manning was charged with treason scheming daemons Aug 2013 #111

Manning was tried for giving aid and comfort to the enemy Hydra Aug 2013 #127

It's with great pride that I note that the person who stood up against our war crimes Catherina Aug 2013 #87

Says the person who thought the photo of Manning with a blond wig was offensive. KittyWampus Aug 2013 #90

WTF are you dishonestly saying? Catherina Aug 2013 #93

Selective memory you've got there... joeybee12 Aug 2013 #97

Because Catherina thought that the picture had been released cali Aug 2013 #98

I think you are mistaken here maddezmom Aug 2013 #99

Nauseating attack from you. Catherina is an absolute treasure Bonobo Aug 2013 #100

if I were you, I'd delete this dishonest attack on Catherina cali Aug 2013 #102

You have lost all credibility with me. What a dishonest post. myrna minx Aug 2013 #103

An extremely dishonest characterization of a DUer who is a constant and actual Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #105

I believe you have totally mistaken what Catherina wrote and the point she was making hlthe2b Aug 2013 #106

you're way off on this one KW bigtree Aug 2013 #108

Catherina is a DU treasure. Octafish Aug 2013 #110

It was offensive because they were protraying it as a mental illness! Neoma Aug 2013 #112

You know, I never see you do jack shit but lie and push deceitful smears around here. /nt Marr Aug 2013 #121

Did you misunderstand or are you deliberately misrepresent her post? rhett o rick Aug 2013 #123

OFFS ...so you can read minds and imply intent now huh? Miss Cleo has a job for you. L0oniX Aug 2013 #124

Don't let them shut you down Kitty. They're exploiting the actions of a few to smear many. great white snark Aug 2013 #149

Your post is a pure and unadulterated bullshit. You KNOW damn well what that OP is about. Using such idwiyo Aug 2013 #150

yes, this is so sick and twisted, I am astounded by it. Shame on Kitty. bettyellen Aug 2013 #160

What a trail of slime from this post by KittyWampus. nt woo me with science Aug 2013 #152

Catherina is awesome. a good friend to all LGBTIQ folks. xchrom Aug 2013 #114

... Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #118

Thank you my dear friend Catherina Aug 2013 #129

+1000000 woo me with science Aug 2013 #153

k&R n/t lupinella Aug 2013 #89

Solidarity with LGBTQ struggles and rights; SHAME upon "democrats" and "liberals" Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #94

K & R L0oniX Aug 2013 #101

Every single transphobic bigot here on DU needs to be PPR'd instantly. backscatter712 Aug 2013 #104

I assume you want to lead the mob, er cleansing? rhett o rick Aug 2013 #162

I only have so much patience for all-out bigotry... backscatter712 Aug 2013 #163

I also dont have patience for bigotry but realize that when these issues rhett o rick Aug 2013 #164

K&R Scootaloo, it's never compartmentalized. The authoritarian mindset pervades and forms Egalitarian Thug Aug 2013 #113

I'm sure she would be delighted to be used to prove our superiority. n/t Orsino Aug 2013 #116

Well said! City Lights Aug 2013 #120

A "lot" of my "compatriots" think Lincoln is buried in Grant's tomb. gulliver Aug 2013 #130

EAGGGGGGCCCCHHHHHHHHH lunasun Aug 2013 #140

You may want to read the article linked here: struggle4progress Aug 2013 #138

I didn't like what Chelsea did Just Saying Aug 2013 #142

ditto barbtries Aug 2013 #145

I bet. Warren DeMontague Aug 2013 #151

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