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In reply to the discussion: Like it or Not, Bradley Manning is a Traitor [View all]AnotherMcIntosh
(11,064 posts)264. Since you asked, there's a major difference between Manning and Dick Cheney.
As posted elsewhere on DU, Manning's information revealed immoral and illegal acts.
See Too Often Forgotten: An Amazingly Long List of What We Know Thanks to Private Manninghttp://www.democraticunderground.com/10023518698
"First, just a very partial list from "Cablegate" (keep in mind, this does not include many other bombshells that caused a stir in smaller nations abroad):
-Yemeni president lied to his own people, claiming his military carried out air strikes on militants actually done by U.S. All part of giving U.S. full rein in country against terrorists.
-Details on Vatican hiding big sex abuse cases in Ireland.
-U.S. tried to get Spain to curb its probes of Gitmo torture and rendition.
-Egyptian torturers trained by FBIalthough allegedly to teach the human rights issues.
-State Dept memo: U.S.-backed 2009 coup in Honduras was 'illegal and unconstitutional.'
-Cables on Tunisia appear to help spark revolt in that country. The country's ruling elite described as The Family, with Mafia-like skimming throughout the economy. The country's First Lady may have made massive profits off a private school.
-U.S. knew all about massive corruption in Tunisia back in 2006 but went on supporting the government anyway, making it the pillar of its North Africa policy.
-Cables showed the UK promised in 2009 to protect U.S interests in the official Chilcot inquiry on the start of the Iraq war.
-U.S. pressured the European Union to accept GM genetic modification, that is.
-Washington was misled by our own diplomats on Russia-Georgia showdown.
-Extremely important historical document finally released in full: Ambassador April Glaspie's cable from Iraq in 1990 on meeting with Saddam Hussein before Kuwait invasion.
-The UK sidestepped a ban on housing cluster bombs. Officials concealed from Parliament how the U.S. is allowed to bring weapons on to British soil in defiance of treaty.
-New York Times: From hundreds of diplomatic cables, Afghanistan emerges as a looking-glass land where bribery, extortion and embezzlement are the norm and the honest man is a distinct outlier.
-Afghan vice president left country with $52 million in cash.
-Shocking levels of U.S. spying at the United Nations (beyond what was commonly assumed) and intense use of diplomats abroad in intelligence-gathering roles.
-Potential environmental disaster kept secret by the U.S. when a large consignment of highly enriched uranium in Libya came close to cracking open and leaking radioactive material into the atmosphere.
-U.S. used threats, spying, and more to try to get its way at last year's crucial climate conference in Copenhagen.
-Hundreds of cables detail U.S. use of diplomats as sales agents, more than previously thought, centering on jet rivalry of Boeing vs. Airbus. Hints of corruption and bribes.
-Millions in U.S. military aid for fighting Pakistani insurgents went to other gov't uses (or stolen) instead.
-Israel wanted to bring Gaza to the brink of collapse.
-The U.S. secret services used Turkey as a base to transport terrorism suspects as part of its extraordinary rendition program.
-As protests spread in Egypt, cables revealed that strong man Suleiman was at center of government's torture programs, causing severe backlash for Mubarak after he named Suleiman vice president during the revolt. Other cables revealed or confirmed widespread Mubarak regime corruption, police abuses and torture, and claims of massive Mubarak famiiy fortune, significantly influencing media coverage and U.S. response.
http://www.thenation.com/blog/175879/too-often-forgotten-amazingly-long-list-what-we-know-thanks-private-manning#
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And then Private Manning negated that heroic act by doing the mass file dumps
jmowreader
Aug 2013
#157
Since you asked, there's a major difference between Manning and Dick Cheney.
AnotherMcIntosh
Aug 2013
#264
Chelsea Manning revealed the video tape slaughter of civilians, including two Reuters journalists
myrna minx
Aug 2013
#189
Ellsberg knew what he was leaking because he helped write it. Manning didn't. nt
ucrdem
Aug 2013
#48
And AFAIK, Ellsberg made no money off his release, neither did Manning. Nor did Ellsberg's helpers,
freshwest
Aug 2013
#114
I agree. It's sad because he obviously has psychological problems and needs help,
JaneyVee
Aug 2013
#77
The channels are a JOKE! Sibel Edmonds would LAUGH you in the face. She tried that way...
cascadiance
Aug 2013
#93
You are confusing prosecuting whistleblowers with prosecuting REAL wrongdoers they expose!
cascadiance
Aug 2013
#104
Then is Nelson Mandela the leader of South Africa? He was a "criminal" and...
cascadiance
Aug 2013
#74
The point is that just because our legal system says he's guilty doesn't mean it "ends" now...
cascadiance
Aug 2013
#283
And it is "so good" that these whistleblower "protection" acts DON'T protect security whistleblowers
cascadiance
Aug 2013
#311
Not full blaze? I saw someone here on DU claiming Manning should win the Nobel Prize
DontTreadOnMe
Aug 2013
#198
I also don't get the 'traitor to his country' phrase. It's more of a political term than legal one.
freshwest
Aug 2013
#135
I see nothing wrong with telling the world that a part of your country is barbaric.
BlueJazz
Aug 2013
#19
Chelsea Manning's expressed purpose was to bash the Obama administration which s/he despised.
ucrdem
Aug 2013
#65
"Hilary Clinton, and several thousand diplomats ... are going to have a heart attack"
ucrdem
Aug 2013
#128
Manning's intent was to embarrass the Obama administration by revealing private diplomatic cables.
ucrdem
Aug 2013
#134
The evidence doesn't support your views and you don't like it. Sorry about that. nt
ucrdem
Aug 2013
#150
Have you read this person's posts? He is constantly marginalizing anyone who is to the left of him
Bjorn Against
Aug 2013
#120
Sooooooo Showden should subject himself to the criminal mistreatment of Manning
burnodo
Aug 2013
#31
Poor kid. It is a hell of a process. Best wishes to her. Still has many years to get things right.
freshwest
Aug 2013
#192
So is Dick Cheney, but we don't see him being sentenced to rot in prison for 35 years.
Th1onein
Aug 2013
#49
like it or not, I don't give a rat's buttocks about your opposition to transparancy....
mike_c
Aug 2013
#54
I know. I just about died when I saw that post. 9 hidden posts in 4 little months
Number23
Aug 2013
#211
Treason is morally neutral. Its morality is determined entirely by who's being betrayed.
dairydog91
Aug 2013
#60
I'm reccing because that article has new information. But I don't think he's a traitor or hero.
freshwest
Aug 2013
#66
Some good writers on that blog. I know that you are more knowledgeable on this national
freshwest
Aug 2013
#200
One could guess by reading some of the responses how many have loved ones,
4bucksagallon
Aug 2013
#68
My military service was just as important as yours, and I think you couldn't be more wrong.
20score
Aug 2013
#175
So to you, it's patriotic to cover up for war crimes? Who is the "traitor"? The one who commits the
myrna minx
Aug 2013
#199
Hey, I believe in the Geneva Convention. I believe in convicting war criminals and liars who
myrna minx
Aug 2013
#212
Really when I see GWB, Cheney and the rest of them on trial then I will believe you.
4bucksagallon
Aug 2013
#215
As I have said, I don't undertand the military mind. There is an oath they take that is significant.
freshwest
Aug 2013
#233
Soldiers don't usually get to pick their wars or their battles. If anything leaks out that
4bucksagallon
Aug 2013
#237
Well. this is what I wrote the last time there was a major mess about soldiers on a DU thread:
freshwest
Aug 2013
#240
Yeah because the chain of command has proven sooo competent in uncovering war crimes.
Democracyinkind
Aug 2013
#259
like it or not, many on this board find your posts tedious and BORING beyond belief. some, on the
niyad
Aug 2013
#140
When you enlist in the armed services of the US, an officer reads you the Articles of War
OmahaBlueDog
Aug 2013
#155
i don't like you, and Manning wasn't charged with treason. try and keep up, mkay?
frylock
Aug 2013
#160
Like it or not, Chelsea is a patriot who took a bullet for the rest of us. nt
William769
Aug 2013
#172
You and your fellow travelers should be ashamed for both your bigotry and right wing BS.
myrna minx
Aug 2013
#176
Thanks! Great job! Wish I had thought of adding other... travelers/@$R$^&^$% to my post.
20score
Aug 2013
#190
I'm assuming that the fellow travelers of this OP have watched the "classified" video
myrna minx
Aug 2013
#195
Your support for LGBTQ rights is so great, you can't even tell the difference between been gay and
idwiyo
Aug 2013
#193
Wrong again. Factually, morally, constitutionally, legally, spiritually. Incorrect.
TheKentuckian
Aug 2013
#196
What's the deal with all those fake "progressive" and "liberal" blogs you keep peddling?
Democracyinkind
Aug 2013
#258
She will always be a patriot and hero. History will show it. You think only bad people are in jail?
Safetykitten
Aug 2013
#275
Manning was not even charged with treason, much less convicted of treason, so this is false.
Bluenorthwest
Aug 2013
#284
More homophobic/transphobic garbage...are those the only sites you work for?
joeybee12
Aug 2013
#297