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In reply to the discussion: Authoritarian State Yet? [View all]geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)94. You are lying, and blatantly so.
The Koch Brothers are partisan Republicans and movement rightwingers.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_activities_of_the_Koch_brothers
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_activities_of_the_Koch_brothers#Mitt_Romney
Mitt Romney[edit source | editbeta]In July 2012, David H. Koch hosted a $50,000-a-person ($75,000 a couple) fundraising dinner for 2012 Republican Party Presidential candidate Mitt Romney, which was the subject of protests.[11][49][50][51][52]
William Koch, the younger brother of Charles and David, gave $1 million to Restore Our Future, a super-PAC backing Romney.[11] During the 2008 presidential race, David Koch donated $2,300 to Romney.[11]
William Koch, the younger brother of Charles and David, gave $1 million to Restore Our Future, a super-PAC backing Romney.[11] During the 2008 presidential race, David Koch donated $2,300 to Romney.[11]
The Koch Brothers run Americans for Prosperity:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americans_for_Prosperity#Events
Since 2007, the AFP Foundation has hosted the "Defending the American Dream Summit," which is now the second largest annual gathering of conservatives in Washington, DC (the first is the Conservative Political Action Conference). Topics have included government spending and taxation, health care reform legislation, economic policy, and proposed energy legislation. Presidential candidates who attended the inaugural event included Rudy Giuliani, Mike Huckabee, John McCain, Ron Paul, Sam Brownback, Mitt Romney, and Fred Thompson. 2,000 people attended the 2011 summit.[17]
To "send a message to the bureaucrats that energy rationing will kill jobs, raise taxes, and crush our freedoms,"[18] AFP created the Cost of Hot Air Tour, a nationwide tour that included webcasts from the United Nations meetings COP15 in Copenhagen in 2009[19] and COP16 in Cancun in 2010.
In 2008, in the same city (Austin, Texas) and at the same time (July) as the liberal Netroots Nation conference, AFP hosted RightOnline, a conference of conservative bloggers and activists that aimed to develop conservative social media strategies.[20][21] RightOnline has since become an annual event, with 1,500 attendees in 2011.[22]
In 2011, in conjunction with Sarah Palin,[23] AFP helped lead a counterprotest in Madison, Wisconsin, where Governor Scott Walker's budget and labor-law initiatives had drawn considerable opposition in the streets. President Phillips said Walker's proposed cuts were necessary and "represented the start of a much-needed nationwide move to slash public-sector union benefits."[24] After the budget reforms in Wisconsin passed, the AFP Foundation initiated an advertising and town-hall effort called "It's Working!" to promote them.[25]
Also in 2011, AFP sponsored the first debate among the Republican presidential candidates in New Hampshire. Candidates who participated included Mitt Romney, Tim Pawlenty, Michele Bachmann, Rick Santorum, and Herman Cain.[26]
AFP announced plans to participate in a rally protesting the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act during the Supreme Court's oral arguments regarding the constitutionality of the law.[27]
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In August 2010, the Democratic Party and the Obama White House argued that AFP and the AFP Foundation are a de facto political action group, thus violating their tax-exempt status.[50] President Obama said: "Right now all around this country there are groups with harmless-sounding names like Americans for Prosperity, who are running millions of dollars of ads against Democratic candidates all across the country. And they don't have to say who exactly the Americans for Prosperity are. You don't know if it's a foreign-controlled corporation. You don't know if it's a big oil company, or a big bank."[51] The administration later called AFP a "special-interest front group run by the oil billionaire Koch brothers," who it said are "obsessed with making Barack Obama a one-term president."[27] In response, Phillips called the idea that AFP is taking money from foreign sources "ludicrous."[52] He also noted that following the President's statement, AFP saw an increase in financial contributions, explaining that "they know if the president of the United States is attacking you because you're opposing his agenda, you're probably doing something that's effective."[52]
Also in August 2010, the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee (DCCC) filed a complaint against AFP for running political advertisements that allegedly constitute intervention in political campaigns. A spokesman for the AFP Foundation said the DCCC complaint was a "nuisance complaint to intimidate" and was without merit.[53] On May 6, 2011, the Federal Election Commission dismissed the complaint.[54]
A May 2012 ad criticizing the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 was rated by the nonpartisan fact checking organization PolitiFact.com as one of "the sneakiest" of the election cycle to that point. Claims from the ad were judged to be "Mostly False",[55] "False",[56] and "Pants on Fire",[57] the organization's lowest rating of truth. A separate analysis of the entire ad showed problems with the truth of every one of the ad's
To "send a message to the bureaucrats that energy rationing will kill jobs, raise taxes, and crush our freedoms,"[18] AFP created the Cost of Hot Air Tour, a nationwide tour that included webcasts from the United Nations meetings COP15 in Copenhagen in 2009[19] and COP16 in Cancun in 2010.
In 2008, in the same city (Austin, Texas) and at the same time (July) as the liberal Netroots Nation conference, AFP hosted RightOnline, a conference of conservative bloggers and activists that aimed to develop conservative social media strategies.[20][21] RightOnline has since become an annual event, with 1,500 attendees in 2011.[22]
In 2011, in conjunction with Sarah Palin,[23] AFP helped lead a counterprotest in Madison, Wisconsin, where Governor Scott Walker's budget and labor-law initiatives had drawn considerable opposition in the streets. President Phillips said Walker's proposed cuts were necessary and "represented the start of a much-needed nationwide move to slash public-sector union benefits."[24] After the budget reforms in Wisconsin passed, the AFP Foundation initiated an advertising and town-hall effort called "It's Working!" to promote them.[25]
Also in 2011, AFP sponsored the first debate among the Republican presidential candidates in New Hampshire. Candidates who participated included Mitt Romney, Tim Pawlenty, Michele Bachmann, Rick Santorum, and Herman Cain.[26]
AFP announced plans to participate in a rally protesting the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act during the Supreme Court's oral arguments regarding the constitutionality of the law.[27]
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In August 2010, the Democratic Party and the Obama White House argued that AFP and the AFP Foundation are a de facto political action group, thus violating their tax-exempt status.[50] President Obama said: "Right now all around this country there are groups with harmless-sounding names like Americans for Prosperity, who are running millions of dollars of ads against Democratic candidates all across the country. And they don't have to say who exactly the Americans for Prosperity are. You don't know if it's a foreign-controlled corporation. You don't know if it's a big oil company, or a big bank."[51] The administration later called AFP a "special-interest front group run by the oil billionaire Koch brothers," who it said are "obsessed with making Barack Obama a one-term president."[27] In response, Phillips called the idea that AFP is taking money from foreign sources "ludicrous."[52] He also noted that following the President's statement, AFP saw an increase in financial contributions, explaining that "they know if the president of the United States is attacking you because you're opposing his agenda, you're probably doing something that's effective."[52]
Also in August 2010, the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee (DCCC) filed a complaint against AFP for running political advertisements that allegedly constitute intervention in political campaigns. A spokesman for the AFP Foundation said the DCCC complaint was a "nuisance complaint to intimidate" and was without merit.[53] On May 6, 2011, the Federal Election Commission dismissed the complaint.[54]
A May 2012 ad criticizing the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 was rated by the nonpartisan fact checking organization PolitiFact.com as one of "the sneakiest" of the election cycle to that point. Claims from the ad were judged to be "Mostly False",[55] "False",[56] and "Pants on Fire",[57] the organization's lowest rating of truth. A separate analysis of the entire ad showed problems with the truth of every one of the ad's
http://thinkprogress.org/health/2013/07/08/2262831/koch-brothers-obamacare-misinformation/
Americans for Prosperity a conservative group funded by the Koch brothers is spending millions on ads that aim to turn Americans against the Affordable Care Act, just as government officials prepare to enroll the uninsured in the laws new health care exchanges beginning on October 1. The campaign will eschew attacks on President Obama in favor of a new non-ideological tone that could appeal young women who watch the Food Network, Law & Order, and Good Morning America.
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2010/08/30/100830fa_fact_mayer
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/post/obama-team-fires-back-at-koch-brothers/2012/02/29/gIQA3UXbiR_blog.html
http://www.forbes.com/sites/clareoconnor/2012/05/02/koch-fight-obama-ramps-up-attack-vs-billionaire-brothers/
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It's been tried and failed, so it's better to allow this as long as it doesn't interfere
Egalitarian Thug
Aug 2013
#50
I guess I'll be the crazy guy who points out we still have elections and that virtually every
geek tragedy
Aug 2013
#3
"authoritarian" has been so overused and abused as a matter of hyperbole around here
geek tragedy
Aug 2013
#8
Hard to argue that the US is an authoritarian regime when there are intensely
geek tragedy
Aug 2013
#14
Seems like theater, a pretense of democracy to keep people busy and distracted.
limpyhobbler
Aug 2013
#28
Certainly our system is flawed, as has been every system in every place on earth
geek tragedy
Aug 2013
#34
Whether Democrats or Republicans win, every day is a good day for the Koch bros.
limpyhobbler
Aug 2013
#76
Long before they funded the teahaddists, they were also among the who's who of
Egalitarian Thug
Aug 2013
#80
They all have given up the power. Peaceful, orderly transition of one head of state to another
geek tragedy
Aug 2013
#24
They didn't, they own nearly all the winning candidates on both sides. Learn your history.
Egalitarian Thug
Aug 2013
#91
You're as wrong and as gullible as ever. I'd hope your masters would show you
Egalitarian Thug
Aug 2013
#98
I never said either or those things, you like to argue against points you wish were made.
Egalitarian Thug
Aug 2013
#101
There's no truly free society. It's always a matter of striking the appropriate balance
geek tragedy
Aug 2013
#11
The NSA thing has pushed too far in one direction, and it's time to reel it back
sarisataka
Aug 2013
#18
there will never be consensus for full scale repeal-only chipping away. nt
geek tragedy
Aug 2013
#30
You have confused illusions with reality for as long as I've been reading your writing here.
Egalitarian Thug
Aug 2013
#23
You've just defined authoritarianism down as "functioning government" or "absence of anarchy"
geek tragedy
Aug 2013
#29
There ya go. What confuses you about the idea of consent of the governed? Government without the
Egalitarian Thug
Aug 2013
#41
No answers as usual. This nation was founded on exactly the principles outlined above.
Egalitarian Thug
Aug 2013
#54
You're arguing that people who owned slaves didn't believe in coersion. nt
geek tragedy
Aug 2013
#73
No. I'm arguing that coercion is not necessary and leads to bad results.
Egalitarian Thug
Aug 2013
#75
So you think the SCOTUS gutting of the Voting Rights Act is no big deal then, right? nt
geek tragedy
Aug 2013
#36
Ok, go run for office. Let us know how many "Patrons" you become beholden to, in order to afford to
Katashi_itto
Aug 2013
#90
Let me know how much people complaining on the Internet have accomplished. nt
geek tragedy
Aug 2013
#92
That's the truth. People who participate in our political system are the only
geek tragedy
Aug 2013
#96
I love "not as bad" arguments. A little aresenic is not as bad as lot of arsenic.
Tierra_y_Libertad
Aug 2013
#39
It isn't a "not as bad" argument" Its a "entirely fucking inaccurate" argument.
phleshdef
Aug 2013
#43
When the people are given a choice between 2 candidates that support the programs..
Tierra_y_Libertad
Aug 2013
#45
I'd say a state with the highest incarceration rate in the world is, in fact, a police state.
Warren Stupidity
Aug 2013
#88
Let's see: Secret government, secret courts, secret prisons, secret wars, secret kill lists.....
Tierra_y_Libertad
Aug 2013
#37
DU is not a representative sample of opinion, but wow, 80% think the USA is not a democracy.
limpyhobbler
Aug 2013
#77
We have become more authoritarian. We are on the leading edge of what may become an authoritarian
DisgustipatedinCA
Aug 2013
#83
well, that's a nice bullshit poll. You have visually demonstrated a false choice fallacy
Pretzel_Warrior
Aug 2013
#84
I'd have to interpret that response as "wow I didn't realize the authoritarian booster league
Warren Stupidity
Aug 2013
#86
in a non scientific poll with sample size of 130 thus far and people self select to participate?
Pretzel_Warrior
Aug 2013
#87
I am probably one of the most vehement in denouncing the surveillance state but I voted pass
Douglas Carpenter
Aug 2013
#100
Closer to yes than to no. Power does not flow from the people, power is used to herd the people
TheKentuckian
Aug 2013
#102