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Egalitarian Thug

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101. I never said either or those things, you like to argue against points you wish were made.

Fri Aug 23, 2013, 03:53 PM

Aug 2013

They did, and are going to continue to, solidify the thoroughly indoctrinated, and the move is about stealing the republican party from those that currently own it. Beating up on the Democrats is a surest-fire way to do that. The teahaddists, are still in the getting riled up mode and boner, mcturtle and their ilk are in deep shit. They crazies can't decide whether exodus or revolt is the answer, and I suspect they will told which way to go based on the deals the Koch's can get from the ilk. You're confusing your assumptions with their goals.

The DLC is defunct, so is PNAC, still not a TV show, moving on. The people are still out there and calling the shots wherever they can. Keeping the wheels turning. The republicans are going to maximize their influence in the mid-terms where they already have a built-in advantage, more statehouses, more governors, etc. This will conveniently also provide all the excuses required for the Democratic Party continue to fail for the last two years.

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Authoritarian State Yet? [View all] Warren Stupidity Aug 2013 OP

I think they're trying to sell us on accepting it willingly Hydra Aug 2013 #1

It won't be legal unless they amend the constitution. dkf Aug 2013 #53

I think long term they will remove the Constitution Hydra Aug 2013 #62

They will cite precedence instead of the constitution. dkf Aug 2013 #63

Quite possible Hydra Aug 2013 #66

Not to say everything's squeaky clean... Lawlbringer Aug 2013 #2

It's been tried and failed, so it's better to allow this as long as it doesn't interfere Egalitarian Thug Aug 2013 #50

No. They'd still let us have our little internet threads. dawg Aug 2013 #103

I guess I'll be the crazy guy who points out we still have elections and that virtually every geek tragedy Aug 2013 #3

we can choose between the authoritarian in red or the one in blue drhobo Aug 2013 #4

"authoritarian" has been so overused and abused as a matter of hyperbole around here geek tragedy Aug 2013 #8

It comes from a 2008 paper �The Constitution in the National Surveillance State,� dkf Aug 2013 #61

You do realize authoritarian states sometimes hold elections? limpyhobbler Aug 2013 #5

Has a US president ever refused to surrender power once in office? nt geek tragedy Aug 2013 #7

No. Why do you ask? limpyhobbler Aug 2013 #10

Hard to argue that the US is an authoritarian regime when there are intensely geek tragedy Aug 2013 #14

Seems like theater, a pretense of democracy to keep people busy and distracted. limpyhobbler Aug 2013 #28

Yup ... dog and pony show. nt TBF Aug 2013 #32

Certainly our system is flawed, as has been every system in every place on earth geek tragedy Aug 2013 #34

Whether Democrats or Republicans win, every day is a good day for the Koch bros. limpyhobbler Aug 2013 #76

Long before they funded the teahaddists, they were also among the who's who of Egalitarian Thug Aug 2013 #80

Yep. Bread and circus. Or in our case, Big Macs and World of Warcraft. GoneFishin Aug 2013 #44

Nixon... joeybee12 Aug 2013 #15

Hrrmmm. Nixon resigned. After a massive electoral victory nt geek tragedy Aug 2013 #16

I mis-read, I saw it as whether anyone has given up the power... joeybee12 Aug 2013 #21

They all have given up the power. Peaceful, orderly transition of one head of state to another geek tragedy Aug 2013 #24

Nixon was never prosecuted for Watergate. LordGlenconner Aug 2013 #25

Has the 1% ever refused to surrender power once they bought every officeholder? MattSh Aug 2013 #56

So, why did the Koch brothers spend so much money on losing geek tragedy Aug 2013 #58

They still came out way ahead at the state level. hobbit709 Aug 2013 #78

But, they didn't get their way at the national level nt geek tragedy Aug 2013 #82

Who does redistricting, voter ID, etc.? hobbit709 Aug 2013 #85

They didn't, they own nearly all the winning candidates on both sides. Learn your history. Egalitarian Thug Aug 2013 #91

You are lying, and blatantly so. geek tragedy Aug 2013 #94

You're as wrong and as gullible as ever. I'd hope your masters would show you Egalitarian Thug Aug 2013 #98

The DLC is defunct like ACORN and dead as Andrew Breitbart. geek tragedy Aug 2013 #99

I never said either or those things, you like to argue against points you wish were made. Egalitarian Thug Aug 2013 #101

Having seen authoritarian states first hand sarisataka Aug 2013 #9

There's no truly free society. It's always a matter of striking the appropriate balance geek tragedy Aug 2013 #11

The NSA thing has pushed too far in one direction, and it's time to reel it back sarisataka Aug 2013 #18

Certainly parts of it, esp stuff like section 215 need to go. geek tragedy Aug 2013 #22

There are a couple good ideas sarisataka Aug 2013 #26

there will never be consensus for full scale repeal-only chipping away. nt geek tragedy Aug 2013 #30

You have confused illusions with reality for as long as I've been reading your writing here. Egalitarian Thug Aug 2013 #23

You've just defined authoritarianism down as "functioning government" or "absence of anarchy" geek tragedy Aug 2013 #29

There ya go. What confuses you about the idea of consent of the governed? Government without the Egalitarian Thug Aug 2013 #41

Good luck finding Utopia. nt geek tragedy Aug 2013 #42

No answers as usual. This nation was founded on exactly the principles outlined above. Egalitarian Thug Aug 2013 #54

Did they ask their slaves to cooperate? nt geek tragedy Aug 2013 #57

Non sequitur. Still no answer. n/t Egalitarian Thug Aug 2013 #72

You're arguing that people who owned slaves didn't believe in coersion. nt geek tragedy Aug 2013 #73

No. I'm arguing that coercion is not necessary and leads to bad results. Egalitarian Thug Aug 2013 #75

What? Tired of playing already? Egalitarian Thug Aug 2013 #89

Emma Goldman said - TBF Aug 2013 #31

So you think the SCOTUS gutting of the Voting Rights Act is no big deal then, right? nt geek tragedy Aug 2013 #36

... TBF Aug 2013 #40

guess I'll be the crazy guy who puts you on ignore warrprayer Aug 2013 #81

Ok, go run for office. Let us know how many "Patrons" you become beholden to, in order to afford to Katashi_itto Aug 2013 #90

Let me know how much people complaining on the Internet have accomplished. nt geek tragedy Aug 2013 #92

Wow. Such a comeback. So Profound. Katashi_itto Aug 2013 #93

That's the truth. People who participate in our political system are the only geek tragedy Aug 2013 #96

Yep... K & R !!! WillyT Aug 2013 #6

Plutocracy since the 1980s. Rex Aug 2013 #12

Anyone answering "yes" either has no idea what authoritarian means... phleshdef Aug 2013 #13

sure, blame the victim hfojvt Aug 2013 #20

huh? phleshdef Aug 2013 #27

you could not find hfojvt Aug 2013 #49

Yea I see it and I don't see how it fits in as a response to what I said. phleshdef Aug 2013 #51

you don't? hfojvt Aug 2013 #65

Oh ok. phleshdef Aug 2013 #67

I love "not as bad" arguments. A little aresenic is not as bad as lot of arsenic. Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2013 #39

It isn't a "not as bad" argument" Its a "entirely fucking inaccurate" argument. phleshdef Aug 2013 #43

When the people are given a choice between 2 candidates that support the programs.. Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2013 #45

The majority of people choose to participate in the 2 party system. phleshdef Aug 2013 #47

well even when it comes to arsenic hfojvt Aug 2013 #46

And, it's a convenient excuse for authoritarianism. Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2013 #48

is that anything like absolutism? hfojvt Aug 2013 #60

What if they only stole your canary? Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2013 #64

I wouldn't want anyone to go to jail for stealing my can opener. phleshdef Aug 2013 #68

you have the argument backwards hfojvt Aug 2013 #70

I'd say a state with the highest incarceration rate in the world is, in fact, a police state. Warren Stupidity Aug 2013 #88

TANJ hfojvt Aug 2013 #17

Im not sure exactly what we are at this point... bunnies Aug 2013 #19

oligarchy or plutocracy may be more accurate but it sucks either way. liberal_at_heart Aug 2013 #33

Is that new to see the usernames on polls? cool...nt Jesus Malverde Aug 2013 #35

Let's see: Secret government, secret courts, secret prisons, secret wars, secret kill lists..... Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2013 #37

Authoritarian or facist. Take your pick. last1standing Aug 2013 #38

Bushler: "There ought to be limits to freedom!" kenny blankenship Aug 2013 #52

Would you rather be here or in Russia? China? Cuba? -nt CakeGrrl Aug 2013 #55

I'd say the truth is somewhere in the middle... Blue_Tires Aug 2013 #59

Yeah, I'd say so PD Turk Aug 2013 #69

I'd say not quite. JoeyT Aug 2013 #71

I am all for being a serf... sarisataka Aug 2013 #79

Larva stage. nt rrneck Aug 2013 #74

DU is not a representative sample of opinion, but wow, 80% think the USA is not a democracy. limpyhobbler Aug 2013 #77

We have become more authoritarian. We are on the leading edge of what may become an authoritarian DisgustipatedinCA Aug 2013 #83

well, that's a nice bullshit poll. You have visually demonstrated a false choice fallacy Pretzel_Warrior Aug 2013 #84

I'd have to interpret that response as "wow I didn't realize the authoritarian booster league Warren Stupidity Aug 2013 #86

in a non scientific poll with sample size of 130 thus far and people self select to participate? Pretzel_Warrior Aug 2013 #87

Somewhere inbetween sakabatou Aug 2013 #95

yes. GalaxyHunter Aug 2013 #97

I am probably one of the most vehement in denouncing the surveillance state but I voted pass Douglas Carpenter Aug 2013 #100

Closer to yes than to no. Power does not flow from the people, power is used to herd the people TheKentuckian Aug 2013 #102