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dkf

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Fri Aug 23, 2013, 04:04 PM Aug 2013

Obama confidant’s spine-chilling proposal (Cass Sunstein) [View all]

FRIDAY, JAN 15, 2010 03:16 AM HST

Cass Sunstein has long been one of Barack Obama’s closest confidants. Often mentioned as a likely Obama nominee to the Supreme Court, Sunstein is currently Obama’s head of the Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs where, among other things, he is responsible for “overseeing policies relating to privacy, information quality, and statistical programs.” In 2008, while at Harvard Law School, Sunstein co-wrote a truly pernicious paper proposing that the U.S. Government employ teams of covert agents and pseudo-”independent” advocates to “cognitively infiltrate” online groups and websites — as well as other activist groups — which advocate views that Sunstein deems “false conspiracy theories” about the Government. This would be designed to increase citizens’ faith in government officials and undermine the credibility of conspiracists. The paper’s abstract can be read, and the full paper downloaded, here.

Sunstein advocates that the Government’s stealth infiltration should be accomplished by sending covert agents into “chat rooms, online social networks, or even real-space groups.” He also proposes that the Government make secret payments to so-called “independent” credible voices to bolster the Government’s messaging (on the ground that those who don’t believe government sources will be more inclined to listen to those who appear independent while secretly acting on behalf of the Government). This program would target those advocating false “conspiracy theories,” which they define to mean: “an attempt to explain an event or practice by reference to the machinations of powerful people, who have also managed to conceal their role.” Sunstein’s 2008 paper was flagged by this blogger, and then amplified in an excellent report by Raw Story‘s Daniel Tencer.

There’s no evidence that the Obama administration has actually implemented a program exactly of the type advocated by Sunstein, though in light of this paper and the fact that Sunstein’s position would include exactly such policies, that question certainly ought to be asked. Regardless, Sunstein’s closeness to the President, as well as the highly influential position he occupies, merits an examination of the mentality behind what he wrote. This isn’t an instance where some government official wrote a bizarre paper in college 30 years ago about matters unrelated to his official powers; this was written 18 months ago, at a time when the ascendancy of Sunstein’s close friend to the Presidency looked likely, in exactly the area he now oversees. Additionally, the government-controlled messaging that Sunstein desires has been a prominent feature of U.S. Government actions over the last decade, including in some recently revealed practices of the current administration, and the mindset in which it is grounded explains a great deal about our political class. All of that makes Sunstein’s paper worth examining in greater detail.

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Initially, note how similar Sunstein’s proposal is to multiple, controversial stealth efforts by the Bush administration to secretly influence and shape our political debates. The Bush Pentagon employed teams of former Generals to pose as “independent analysts” in the media while secretly coordinating their talking points and messaging about wars and detention policies with the Pentagon. Bush officials secretly paid supposedly “independent” voices, such as Armstrong Williams and Maggie Gallagher, to advocate pro-Bush policies while failing to disclose their contracts. In Iraq, the Bush Pentagon hired a company, Lincoln Park, which paid newspapers to plant pro-U.S. articles while pretending it came from Iraqi citizens. In response to all of this, Democrats typically accused the Bush administration of engaging in government-sponsored propaganda — and when it was done domestically, suggested this was illegal propaganda. Indeed, there is a very strong case to make that what Sunstein is advocating is itself illegal under long-standing statutes prohibiting government ”propaganda” within the U.S., aimed at American citizens:

http://www.salon.com/2010/01/15/sunstein_2/

White House Picks Panel to Review NSA Programs

A group of veteran security experts and former White House officials has been selected to conduct a full review of U.S. surveillance programs and other secret government efforts disclosed over recent months, ABC News has learned.

The recent acting head of the CIA, Michael Morell, will be among what President Obama called a "high-level group of outside experts" scrutinizing the controversial programs.

Joining Morell on the panel will be former White House officials Richard Clarke, Cass Sunstein and Peter Swire. An announcement is expected Thursday, a source with knowledge of the matter told ABC News' Jon Karl.

The group will "consider how we can maintain the trust of the people [and] how we can make sure that there absolutely is no abuse,"

http://abcnews.go.com/politics/t/blogEntry?id=20030899

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Why does this not surprise me? (n/t) spin Aug 2013 #1
Cass Sunstein, conspiracy entrepreneur. OnyxCollie Aug 2013 #2
Over 40 yrs ago, U.S. intelligence organizations famously noted Eleanors38 Aug 2013 #34
this is why sometimes higher education is bad, the man has too much time on okieinpain Aug 2013 #3
so how does this work? some posters will not be amateurs like us, but paid pros? CreekDog Aug 2013 #4
"Pros". Lol. dkf Aug 2013 #6
Makes sense. n/t winter is coming Aug 2013 #9
Why not name the posters you think are 'pros' and report them to the Admin? nt msanthrope Aug 2013 #12
you're asking me to predict the future? CreekDog Aug 2013 #14
No--since Cass wrote his proposal in 2008, I'm sure you have at least 5 years of examples to report. msanthrope Aug 2013 #15
You Better Believe It! Fumesucker Aug 2013 #20
FUCKIN OBAMA!! :rolleyes: Come on "a source with knowledge of the matter" this is another sit and uponit7771 Aug 2013 #5
Yep Cali_Democrat Aug 2013 #7
Are you here to disrupt a "conspiracy theory"? dkf Aug 2013 #11
Can't, fud and wingers are starting 4 a minute...hard work no doubt uponit7771 Aug 2013 #16
The environment is ripe for conspiracy theory mick063 Aug 2013 #32
Obama's choice of pals is so very revealing about who he really is. forestpath Aug 2013 #8
+1. Also, the choice to repackage the problem instead of fixing it. n/t winter is coming Aug 2013 #10
+1 840high Aug 2013 #18
Really? I remember Palin saying the same fucking thing in 2008. JTFrog Aug 2013 #19
So all of Obama's horrible picks should get an automatic pass? forestpath Aug 2013 #21
Fuck Sarah Palin. JTFrog Aug 2013 #22
So why the fuck bring her up, JTFrog? Octafish Aug 2013 #24
Well it's a message board, JTFrog Aug 2013 #26
There's no problem unless you do not know you can easily find the "refuge" that you want in the BOG. AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #28
Yea, the underground of the underground. n/t JTFrog Aug 2013 #29
Understood. The thing is the right wing and the ultra rich are both served by President Obama. Octafish Aug 2013 #33
You didn't answer my question. Are we not allowed to criticize any crappy Obama picks forestpath Aug 2013 #27
Funny that this type of insinuation only is allowed to be done with Obama. baldguy Aug 2013 #23
COINTELPRO started officially in 1956 DefenseLawyer Aug 2013 #13
My claim to fame: PCIntern Aug 2013 #17
Was there any discussion then of cognitive infiltration? rug Aug 2013 #25
Mmmm...no.... PCIntern Aug 2013 #35
Just in time! They dumped the ban on propaganda BlueToTheBone Aug 2013 #30
K & R AzDar Aug 2013 #31
Yes, but what does this have to do with "transphobia"? Demo_Chris Aug 2013 #36
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