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43. "You all found an incident where some kids killed a man without guns."

Fri Aug 23, 2013, 04:09 PM

Aug 2013

Yep, and I extrapolated from a single incident just as Fischer did.

It seems the two of you only care about violence when it's committed with a gun.
Also, it's hard for an Australian politician to go wrong when Yank-bashing.

I don't recall Fischer calling for a boycott of tourism to Indonesia, even though it's far more dangerous
for Australians than the US:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023520853#post12

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-06-03/australian-suffers-head-wounds-in-mysterious-bali-incident/4730482

"Australian left for dead after mysterious roadside Bali incident amid growing fears of violence against tourists"

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US gun culture is 'corrupting the world,' Australia ex-deputy PM says after Okla. slaying [View all] joeybee12 Aug 2013 OP

K&R napkinz Aug 2013 #1

Oh no he did'nt!!! He WENT there. Good for him! Safetykitten Aug 2013 #2

Well said, Mr. Fischer. (nt) Paladin Aug 2013 #3

I see he still believes in the gunshow loophole. ileus Aug 2013 #4

Good to know it's not transnational corporations. krispos42 Aug 2013 #5

Politicians using xenophobia for political gain are universal... friendly_iconoclast Aug 2013 #13

*golf clap* Lizzie Poppet Aug 2013 #15

He specifically said "gun culture." OneGrassRoot Aug 2013 #35

"Hands, Fists" vs. "Rifles" as cause of homicide. Look it up... Eleanors38 Aug 2013 #48

How about "hands and fists" versus "guns"? Have you looked that one up? DanTex Aug 2013 #66

One of your own confirmed the 'culture war' bit a week or so ago: friendly_iconoclast Aug 2013 #82

Umm, yeah, the gun culture is a problem. DanTex Aug 2013 #86

I don't ignore them nearly as studiously as gun prohibitionists... friendly_iconoclast Aug 2013 #90

What are you talking about? Who's ignoring non-gun violence? DanTex Aug 2013 #93

The poster dealt with rifles, hence the reminder of the comparative data... Eleanors38 Aug 2013 #92

LOL. I figured you'd post a link to some right-wing hole like "guncite". DanTex Aug 2013 #95

So, you take issue with the data from the sources cited? Or just smear? Eleanors38 Aug 2013 #97

Umm, yes, I take issue with the sources cited. DanTex Aug 2013 #99

Again, you continue to smear and attack. Eleanors38 Aug 2013 #100

Excellent series of posts theHandpuppet Aug 2013 #101

You're quite the piece of work, aren't you? OneGrassRoot Aug 2013 #77

And you seem to be quite the confirmed extremist... Eleanors38 Aug 2013 #96

And thus it's a "culture war" krispos42 Aug 2013 #102

I think this senseless murder Jenoch Aug 2013 #6

Feral cops too PowerToThePeople Aug 2013 #8

The guns sure do help, though. Squinch Aug 2013 #19

Do you have any idea how many .22 revolvers there are in the hands of the public in the U.S.? Jenoch Aug 2013 #49

"Even if it was tried." Squinch Aug 2013 #55

I threw that in there as an aside. Jenoch Aug 2013 #58

Again, "even if it was tried" Squinch Aug 2013 #63

Ok, you have to spell it out for me... Jenoch Aug 2013 #72

Yep, and we are so inept that we can't take the guns out of their hands:( rainy Aug 2013 #71

And his opinion means something because? Redneck_Dem Aug 2013 #7

Some live only for the approval of those they think are cool... friendly_iconoclast Aug 2013 #9

Or those who aren't sanguine when their citizens are randomly killed over the right Squinch Aug 2013 #22

He (and you) mistake a violence culture for gun culture. friendly_iconoclast Aug 2013 #24

He and I see the two as inextricably mixed. We see it that way because Squinch Aug 2013 #31

"You all found an incident where some kids killed a man without guns." friendly_iconoclast Aug 2013 #43

Gun deaths in the United States are not single incidents. Squinch Aug 2013 #47

And without guns, we'd *still* have a higher murder rate than Australia... friendly_iconoclast Aug 2013 #57

And we'd *still* have a much, much, much lower murder rate than we do now. Squinch Aug 2013 #61

You seem to have mistaken me for a NRA fan, when in fact I despise them friendly_iconoclast Aug 2013 #70

Then you need to stop making arguments like "without guns we'd still have crime." That's classic NRA Squinch Aug 2013 #79

That's the FBI's Uniform Crime Report, not the NRA friendly_iconoclast Aug 2013 #88

Way to miss the point!! Squinch Aug 2013 #89

The point is, we have a gun culture and a violence problem. friendly_iconoclast Aug 2013 #91

Good God. This is ridiculous. Have a nice day. Squinch Aug 2013 #94

And you refuse to see any corelation between the two Doctor_J Aug 2013 #103

enjoy your stay PowerToThePeople Aug 2013 #11

And your opinion means something because? City Lights Aug 2013 #17

Our opinion comes with a vote, his does not Redneck_Dem Aug 2013 #18

Lots of black people and young people and old people in a lot of states Squinch Aug 2013 #20

His is more culture war. Fitting. Real world problems are so-o-o uncool. Eleanors38 Aug 2013 #36

The opinion of an ex deputy PM of another country Redneck_Dem Aug 2013 #44

What is up with you guys today? Are you all playing with an incomplete set of refrigerator Squinch Aug 2013 #52

+1 PowerToThePeople Aug 2013 #59

Sometimes colorful word magnets Redneck_Dem Aug 2013 #62

In a land of dreams reality help keep show colorful. Squinch Aug 2013 #67

soon tourists will stop coming... n/t EC Aug 2013 #10

You wish. Australian tourists keep going to Bali... friendly_iconoclast Aug 2013 #12

"31 Australians died in Bali in the past financial year" Lizzie Poppet Aug 2013 #27

"What? No call for a boycott?" That would mean less Yank bashing... friendly_iconoclast Aug 2013 #29

No, the violence culture rl6214 Aug 2013 #14

I doubt these three idiots would have hesitated to beat the man RZM Aug 2013 #16

I'm thinking the point was about the (so-called) culture, less than the guns. truebluegreen Aug 2013 #23

I'd go farther: US culture is corrupting the world. truebluegreen Aug 2013 #21

Feh. Internalized xenophobia. friendly_iconoclast Aug 2013 #25

That doesn't actually make any sense. Squinch Aug 2013 #41

Think Aaron McGruder's "Uncle Ruckus"... friendly_iconoclast Aug 2013 #51

There's always a few here who interpret the wish to regulate guns as despising Americans. Squinch Aug 2013 #56

Kindly point them out- but remember... friendly_iconoclast Aug 2013 #60

I noticed a post out of the gungeon, where some brave soul said something to the Squinch Aug 2013 #64

How so? Dash87 Aug 2013 #26

Gun culture? Robb Aug 2013 #28

Did you have something relevant you wanted to add? friendly_iconoclast Aug 2013 #30

Yes. "Gun culture" is characterized by xenophobic narcissism. Robb Aug 2013 #33

Then you'd best find a new strategy in your war against it. friendly_iconoclast Aug 2013 #38

What, on DU? Robb Aug 2013 #98

Glad you brought such overwhelming science and logic to liberal thought. nt Eleanors38 Aug 2013 #37

It's more about fighting the good fight than actual victory for that sort. friendly_iconoclast Aug 2013 #40

"For that sort." What was that you were saying about xenophobia? Squinch Aug 2013 #42

Hardly xenophobia- the impulse is universal. The Oz term for it is "wowserism"... friendly_iconoclast Aug 2013 #45

Again, that doesn't actually make any sense. Squinch Aug 2013 #50

Fischer is a xenophobic wowser that seems to have found some fans here friendly_iconoclast Aug 2013 #65

So now you veer off into the history of the word wowser? Bon voyage. Unregulated guns still suck. Squinch Aug 2013 #68

When you find someone that wants unregulated guns, point them out to me. friendly_iconoclast Aug 2013 #73

Which was pretty much Fischer's point. Squinch Aug 2013 #75

...along with some gratuitous Yank-bashing for the hometown crowd. friendly_iconoclast Aug 2013 #80

Again, you can shoot the messenger (pun intended) but the message is still valid. Squinch Aug 2013 #83

It's too bad that most xenophobic narcissists/"gun rights advocates" never actually DanTex Aug 2013 #46

He's one of them gun grabbers! Git him! Kingofalldems Aug 2013 #32

And I care about what he says because.....? GalaxyHunter Aug 2013 #34

K&R MotherPetrie Aug 2013 #39

If there's anything gun nuts hate almost as much as gun control, it's people from foreign countries. DanTex Aug 2013 #53

+1000 noiretextatique Aug 2013 #69

Exactly! The issue people here are having is that someone is pointing at us and saying, Squinch Aug 2013 #76

He's right, and Australia's 1996 gun laws would be perfect for the longterm future of this country. Hoyt Aug 2013 #54

And he's right but he's lucky malaise Aug 2013 #74

Then why doesn't Canada have a worse problem than Jamaica? friendly_iconoclast Aug 2013 #78

Date our gun violence - I dare you malaise Aug 2013 #81

This message was self-deleted by its author HangOnKids Aug 2013 #87

And then there's Mexico. DanTex Aug 2013 #84

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhh! malaise Aug 2013 #85