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57. And without guns, we'd *still* have a higher murder rate than Australia...

Fri Aug 23, 2013, 04:22 PM

Aug 2013

..even if there weren't a single instance of a non-firearm method being substituted.

The Boston Marathon bombings aren't referred to as
"an example of pressure cooker bomb violence".

As long as you concentrate on the means and not the acts, you are doomed to failure.

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US gun culture is 'corrupting the world,' Australia ex-deputy PM says after Okla. slaying [View all] joeybee12 Aug 2013 OP

K&R napkinz Aug 2013 #1

Oh no he did'nt!!! He WENT there. Good for him! Safetykitten Aug 2013 #2

Well said, Mr. Fischer. (nt) Paladin Aug 2013 #3

I see he still believes in the gunshow loophole. ileus Aug 2013 #4

Good to know it's not transnational corporations. krispos42 Aug 2013 #5

Politicians using xenophobia for political gain are universal... friendly_iconoclast Aug 2013 #13

*golf clap* Lizzie Poppet Aug 2013 #15

He specifically said "gun culture." OneGrassRoot Aug 2013 #35

"Hands, Fists" vs. "Rifles" as cause of homicide. Look it up... Eleanors38 Aug 2013 #48

How about "hands and fists" versus "guns"? Have you looked that one up? DanTex Aug 2013 #66

One of your own confirmed the 'culture war' bit a week or so ago: friendly_iconoclast Aug 2013 #82

Umm, yeah, the gun culture is a problem. DanTex Aug 2013 #86

I don't ignore them nearly as studiously as gun prohibitionists... friendly_iconoclast Aug 2013 #90

What are you talking about? Who's ignoring non-gun violence? DanTex Aug 2013 #93

The poster dealt with rifles, hence the reminder of the comparative data... Eleanors38 Aug 2013 #92

LOL. I figured you'd post a link to some right-wing hole like "guncite". DanTex Aug 2013 #95

So, you take issue with the data from the sources cited? Or just smear? Eleanors38 Aug 2013 #97

Umm, yes, I take issue with the sources cited. DanTex Aug 2013 #99

Again, you continue to smear and attack. Eleanors38 Aug 2013 #100

Excellent series of posts theHandpuppet Aug 2013 #101

You're quite the piece of work, aren't you? OneGrassRoot Aug 2013 #77

And you seem to be quite the confirmed extremist... Eleanors38 Aug 2013 #96

And thus it's a "culture war" krispos42 Aug 2013 #102

I think this senseless murder Jenoch Aug 2013 #6

Feral cops too PowerToThePeople Aug 2013 #8

The guns sure do help, though. Squinch Aug 2013 #19

Do you have any idea how many .22 revolvers there are in the hands of the public in the U.S.? Jenoch Aug 2013 #49

"Even if it was tried." Squinch Aug 2013 #55

I threw that in there as an aside. Jenoch Aug 2013 #58

Again, "even if it was tried" Squinch Aug 2013 #63

Ok, you have to spell it out for me... Jenoch Aug 2013 #72

Yep, and we are so inept that we can't take the guns out of their hands:( rainy Aug 2013 #71

And his opinion means something because? Redneck_Dem Aug 2013 #7

Some live only for the approval of those they think are cool... friendly_iconoclast Aug 2013 #9

Or those who aren't sanguine when their citizens are randomly killed over the right Squinch Aug 2013 #22

He (and you) mistake a violence culture for gun culture. friendly_iconoclast Aug 2013 #24

He and I see the two as inextricably mixed. We see it that way because Squinch Aug 2013 #31

"You all found an incident where some kids killed a man without guns." friendly_iconoclast Aug 2013 #43

Gun deaths in the United States are not single incidents. Squinch Aug 2013 #47

And without guns, we'd *still* have a higher murder rate than Australia... friendly_iconoclast Aug 2013 #57

And we'd *still* have a much, much, much lower murder rate than we do now. Squinch Aug 2013 #61

You seem to have mistaken me for a NRA fan, when in fact I despise them friendly_iconoclast Aug 2013 #70

Then you need to stop making arguments like "without guns we'd still have crime." That's classic NRA Squinch Aug 2013 #79

That's the FBI's Uniform Crime Report, not the NRA friendly_iconoclast Aug 2013 #88

Way to miss the point!! Squinch Aug 2013 #89

The point is, we have a gun culture and a violence problem. friendly_iconoclast Aug 2013 #91

Good God. This is ridiculous. Have a nice day. Squinch Aug 2013 #94

And you refuse to see any corelation between the two Doctor_J Aug 2013 #103

enjoy your stay PowerToThePeople Aug 2013 #11

And your opinion means something because? City Lights Aug 2013 #17

Our opinion comes with a vote, his does not Redneck_Dem Aug 2013 #18

Lots of black people and young people and old people in a lot of states Squinch Aug 2013 #20

His is more culture war. Fitting. Real world problems are so-o-o uncool. Eleanors38 Aug 2013 #36

The opinion of an ex deputy PM of another country Redneck_Dem Aug 2013 #44

What is up with you guys today? Are you all playing with an incomplete set of refrigerator Squinch Aug 2013 #52

+1 PowerToThePeople Aug 2013 #59

Sometimes colorful word magnets Redneck_Dem Aug 2013 #62

In a land of dreams reality help keep show colorful. Squinch Aug 2013 #67

soon tourists will stop coming... n/t EC Aug 2013 #10

You wish. Australian tourists keep going to Bali... friendly_iconoclast Aug 2013 #12

"31 Australians died in Bali in the past financial year" Lizzie Poppet Aug 2013 #27

"What? No call for a boycott?" That would mean less Yank bashing... friendly_iconoclast Aug 2013 #29

No, the violence culture rl6214 Aug 2013 #14

I doubt these three idiots would have hesitated to beat the man RZM Aug 2013 #16

I'm thinking the point was about the (so-called) culture, less than the guns. truebluegreen Aug 2013 #23

I'd go farther: US culture is corrupting the world. truebluegreen Aug 2013 #21

Feh. Internalized xenophobia. friendly_iconoclast Aug 2013 #25

That doesn't actually make any sense. Squinch Aug 2013 #41

Think Aaron McGruder's "Uncle Ruckus"... friendly_iconoclast Aug 2013 #51

There's always a few here who interpret the wish to regulate guns as despising Americans. Squinch Aug 2013 #56

Kindly point them out- but remember... friendly_iconoclast Aug 2013 #60

I noticed a post out of the gungeon, where some brave soul said something to the Squinch Aug 2013 #64

How so? Dash87 Aug 2013 #26

Gun culture? Robb Aug 2013 #28

Did you have something relevant you wanted to add? friendly_iconoclast Aug 2013 #30

Yes. "Gun culture" is characterized by xenophobic narcissism. Robb Aug 2013 #33

Then you'd best find a new strategy in your war against it. friendly_iconoclast Aug 2013 #38

What, on DU? Robb Aug 2013 #98

Glad you brought such overwhelming science and logic to liberal thought. nt Eleanors38 Aug 2013 #37

It's more about fighting the good fight than actual victory for that sort. friendly_iconoclast Aug 2013 #40

"For that sort." What was that you were saying about xenophobia? Squinch Aug 2013 #42

Hardly xenophobia- the impulse is universal. The Oz term for it is "wowserism"... friendly_iconoclast Aug 2013 #45

Again, that doesn't actually make any sense. Squinch Aug 2013 #50

Fischer is a xenophobic wowser that seems to have found some fans here friendly_iconoclast Aug 2013 #65

So now you veer off into the history of the word wowser? Bon voyage. Unregulated guns still suck. Squinch Aug 2013 #68

When you find someone that wants unregulated guns, point them out to me. friendly_iconoclast Aug 2013 #73

Which was pretty much Fischer's point. Squinch Aug 2013 #75

...along with some gratuitous Yank-bashing for the hometown crowd. friendly_iconoclast Aug 2013 #80

Again, you can shoot the messenger (pun intended) but the message is still valid. Squinch Aug 2013 #83

It's too bad that most xenophobic narcissists/"gun rights advocates" never actually DanTex Aug 2013 #46

He's one of them gun grabbers! Git him! Kingofalldems Aug 2013 #32

And I care about what he says because.....? GalaxyHunter Aug 2013 #34

K&R MotherPetrie Aug 2013 #39

If there's anything gun nuts hate almost as much as gun control, it's people from foreign countries. DanTex Aug 2013 #53

+1000 noiretextatique Aug 2013 #69

Exactly! The issue people here are having is that someone is pointing at us and saying, Squinch Aug 2013 #76

He's right, and Australia's 1996 gun laws would be perfect for the longterm future of this country. Hoyt Aug 2013 #54

And he's right but he's lucky malaise Aug 2013 #74

Then why doesn't Canada have a worse problem than Jamaica? friendly_iconoclast Aug 2013 #78

Date our gun violence - I dare you malaise Aug 2013 #81

This message was self-deleted by its author HangOnKids Aug 2013 #87

And then there's Mexico. DanTex Aug 2013 #84

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhh! malaise Aug 2013 #85