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32. I think economic development makes strange bedfellows.

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Fri Aug 23, 2013, 08:39 PM

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Do any other folks here get the feeling Obama is TRYING to drive progressives out of the party? [View all] Ken Burch Aug 2013 OP

Personally, I don't think he gives a second thought. I don't think he cares if we are here or not. liberal_at_heart Aug 2013 #1

+1000 FirstLight Aug 2013 #3

Full corporate equals full criminal. Enthusiast Aug 2013 #150

Yes, I agree. (nt) enough Aug 2013 #13

This seems to be the most likely LearningCurve Aug 2013 #16

Exactly. nt Demo_Chris Aug 2013 #17

Yep. +1000 GoneFishin Aug 2013 #23

Yup. That's my thought, too. nt City Lights Aug 2013 #29

You got it. 840high Aug 2013 #42

The office is bought and sold. GliderGuider Aug 2013 #46

+1 MichiganVote Aug 2013 #58

You forgot to say Benghazi or some other wingerish crazy shit about what Obama is doing or uponit7771 Aug 2013 #107

There was our first Sieg Heil from the lock-steppers. loudsue Aug 2013 #165

No, not really. I think he's like a bit of flotsam on a sea of awfulness... NYC_SKP Aug 2013 #2

Yep - amazing to me that some Dems want to make an already weak presidency even weaker. blm Aug 2013 #5

It must be Friday. NYC_SKP Aug 2013 #12

Other than every President in the history of ever... Demo_Chris Aug 2013 #18

It went VERY easy on Reagan thucythucy Aug 2013 #43

If he's weakened by an OP on DU, I'm amazed he can find the strength winter is coming Aug 2013 #19

LOL! City Lights Aug 2013 #30

Maybe they got Sunny winter is coming Aug 2013 #39

Zoom.....overthehead.....missed point. blm Aug 2013 #143

The image of President Obama reading DU makes me think... greatauntoftriplets Aug 2013 #155

Exactly! Sometimes, when I watch The Daily Show, I wonder if the President or winter is coming Aug 2013 #157

I want him perceived as weak mick063 Aug 2013 #22

This message was self-deleted by its author thucythucy Aug 2013 #45

+1 Scuba Aug 2013 #113

+1-- Well said. Marr Aug 2013 #121

Flotsam 2012 would not have been a very good slogan. rug Aug 2013 #21

President Flotsam HoneychildMooseMoss Aug 2013 #85

I'm with you - he's been handed a flaming bag of dogshit for his entire time in office abbeyco Aug 2013 #41

He was handed a flaming bag of dogshit... AgingAmerican Aug 2013 #98

Democrats or Progressives? abbeyco Aug 2013 #101

Both AgingAmerican Aug 2013 #102

Most of us, when we're handed a flaming bag of dogshit. actually get rid of the bag. Ken Burch Aug 2013 #171

Yep I got his back too madokie Aug 2013 #48

like a life preserver.. lol fascisthunter Aug 2013 #63

Thank you. I was about babylonsister Aug 2013 #78

I get the feeling some people are trying to stir things up. CJCRANE Aug 2013 #4

K&R DeSwiss Aug 2013 #6

Yes, but I also think it's as if he resents progressives for daring to exist and forestpath Aug 2013 #7

you guys have a wild imagination, a persecution complex, and way too much time on your hands. dionysus Aug 2013 #80

said it much better than I did Hekate Aug 2013 #84

why thank you! dionysus Aug 2013 #86

Yet you have enough time on YOURS to run around forestpath Aug 2013 #103

No shit. Get off your fucking crosses already. phleshdef Aug 2013 #110

Style points for not going with the more traditional "pony" line. Marr Aug 2013 #122

I'm not sure we've had a president even remotely as progressive as he is. JaneyVee Aug 2013 #8

Oh, come on. LBJ and FDR were each more 'progressive' than Obama. For that matter, Ike HardTimes99 Aug 2013 #137

FDR didn't include blacks, minorities, or women in social security, put JaneyVee Aug 2013 #138

You have fallen victim to the sin of 'presentism' (judging the past by the standards of the HardTimes99 Aug 2013 #139

Gee, I wonder who or what could be obstructing his lack of progressive policies? JaneyVee Aug 2013 #140

But chained CPI was HIS PROPOSAL ..... he offered the oldest, most helpless members of society loudsue Aug 2013 #166

I've gotten so I don't know what to think anymore. CaliforniaPeggy Aug 2013 #9

+1. Biggest disconnect between personality and policy, ever. n/t winter is coming Aug 2013 #20

Agree. You'd hardly know it was the same guy. Pretty sad. nt Nay Aug 2013 #38

well it shows you are a thinking gal, Ms. Pegster Skittles Aug 2013 #95

It's not just Obama. It's a 'list'. xchrom Aug 2013 #10

Yes... 99Forever Aug 2013 #11

Nahhhh.. Why would he DO THAT? There's no reason that he KoKo Aug 2013 #14

No. It's just the usual "fuck you unless I want money/foot soldiers" mindset. n/t winter is coming Aug 2013 #15

his big problem is not us, it`s the elections next year madrchsod Aug 2013 #24

^Quite right BeyondGeography Aug 2013 #27

Agree 100% - the 2014 elections are now key abbeyco Aug 2013 #47

Then Democrats had better start... 99Forever Aug 2013 #56

I don't disagree but think about it - abbeyco Aug 2013 #67

There are not just 2 options. 99Forever Aug 2013 #68

Then vote your conscience and do what you need to do abbeyco Aug 2013 #72

Exactly what time will it ever... 99Forever Aug 2013 #73

I don't know and can't answer that - maybe no one can abbeyco Aug 2013 #74

We'll just have to agree to disagree. 99Forever Aug 2013 #145

I totally get where you're coming from and understand your frustration. I also HardTimes99 Aug 2013 #144

so right treestar Aug 2013 #133

2014 is key...WE get that...I'm not sure he does, or that he cares. Ken Burch Aug 2013 #174

Why? So he can pass the TPP? Marr Aug 2013 #123

Who exactly "stayed with him and defended him against constant right-wing and racist attacks?" ucrdem Aug 2013 #25

they never have, never will. some even brag about not voting for him, so... dionysus Aug 2013 #81

Often the same ones regularly defending Assange, Ron and Randy. ucrdem Aug 2013 #89

What you've personally seen isn't of consequence to anyone outside yourself DisgustipatedinCA Aug 2013 #130

And yet they will complain that we support him treestar Aug 2013 #134

For every Livluvgrow Aug 2013 #26

This message was self-deleted by its author bvar22 Aug 2013 #28

why would they need to clean house? all the people are already in place nt SwampG8r Aug 2013 #96

And I am beginning to think 'progressive' is a misnomer. n/t Whisp Aug 2013 #31

I dislike the term because of its baggage. Hoover was a "progressive" Recursion Aug 2013 #55

Hoover was a progressive when he arranged for aid to Russian famine victims HoneychildMooseMoss Aug 2013 #94

Just goes to show how relative it can be treestar Aug 2013 #135

I think economic development makes strange bedfellows. Baitball Blogger Aug 2013 #32

Obama himself specifically trying to push progressives out? burnodo Aug 2013 #33

I got that feeling in 2010... bvar22 Aug 2013 #34

I remember the Halter story full well. Jackpine Radical Aug 2013 #50

Yup, I remember nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #92

That really sucked big time Art_from_Ark Aug 2013 #104

I remember that as well, and you're right. It was probably the most blatant, Marr Aug 2013 #124

+1. That was a total slap in the face n/t Catherina Aug 2013 #129

+1 n/t winter is coming Aug 2013 #156

Yes. MotherPetrie Aug 2013 #35

No. JTFrog Aug 2013 #36

I think he has lots of respect for businessmen and Very Serious People and ... dawg Aug 2013 #37

No. And it really depends on what one IDs as "progressive." kelliekat44 Aug 2013 #40

No. CakeGrrl Aug 2013 #44

NAILED IT. Number23 Aug 2013 #65

+1 JustAnotherGen Aug 2013 #151

Awesome reply... SidDithers Aug 2013 #76

Perfection. great white snark Aug 2013 #93

***REPLY OF THE POST*** uponit7771 Aug 2013 #108

That sums it up nicely. liberal N proud Aug 2013 #127

+1 treestar Aug 2013 #136

You honestly don't see a problem with the "legal process?" reusrename Aug 2013 #147

Well said. greatauntoftriplets Aug 2013 #158

No Bobbie Jo Aug 2013 #49

My best guess is political strategy Shankapotomus Aug 2013 #51

No. He wants us to stay in the party and keep supporting him despite his corporate agenda. Jim Lane Aug 2013 #52

Exactly the way I see it - eom dreamnightwind Aug 2013 #112

Ah no iandhr Aug 2013 #53

No, this is just what having the White House is like Recursion Aug 2013 #54

you mean Obama didn't spend his whole life living a lie so he could become president and end social dionysus Aug 2013 #88

More like the Left is following the lead of the Rightwingers railsback Aug 2013 #57

Think it through. Savannahmann Aug 2013 #59

"It could pour rain and animals could be lining up two by two looking around for a big boat, winter is coming Aug 2013 #66

I voted, and voted Democrat Savannahmann Aug 2013 #111

My days of crawling across broken glass for the Party are done. winter is coming Aug 2013 #126

No. But I see lot of folk trying to turn progressive Ds into 3rd party voters struggle4progress Aug 2013 #60

Excellent post Just Saying Aug 2013 #82

No. He just fundamentally disagrees with us on a few important issues. pa28 Aug 2013 #61

Yes fascisthunter Aug 2013 #62

It's the system. There is no stopping it. Taverner Aug 2013 #64

Hell, nevergiveup Aug 2013 #69

Yeah, what you said, my thoughts exactly. mountain grammy Aug 2013 #90

I think he's a college professor, in over his head in dealing with the ''inside the beltway'' crowd. YOHABLO Aug 2013 #70

The president no longer needs us, therefore we no longer matter. n/t 1awake Aug 2013 #71

I think some "progressives" aren't happy... SidDithers Aug 2013 #75

Some cheerleaders are not happy if anyone complains about any dem! nt Logical Aug 2013 #77

Everyone wants to think they are Andrei Sakharov Shivering Jemmy Aug 2013 #116

Or his corporate backers are..... blackspade Aug 2013 #79

No nt Hekate Aug 2013 #83

His alliance is very clear: Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #87

No Rincewind Aug 2013 #91

no i dont think its that he is trying to SwampG8r Aug 2013 #97

And THAT is the fault of our Party Leadership.. bvar22 Aug 2013 #161

He endlessly tries to impress Republicans AgingAmerican Aug 2013 #99

86% approval rating among liberal Democrats. sagat Aug 2013 #100

liberal doesn't mean what it used to. Almost everybody on this site self describes as a liberal. liberal_at_heart Aug 2013 #105

Link and quote to the DLC dem part, if you have proof of this I'd like to see it and not just opinio uponit7771 Aug 2013 #109

Why do YOU get to decide Shivering Jemmy Aug 2013 #117

So if Sarah Palin decides to call herself a "liberal"...... socialist_n_TN Aug 2013 #128

Nonsense that has nothing to do with what liberal Dems actually think eridani Aug 2013 #115

No. cali Aug 2013 #106

Clearly, he hates America. JoePhilly Aug 2013 #114

Puppets don't hate mick063 Aug 2013 #142

Congratulations! You are today's first recipient of my ... greatauntoftriplets Aug 2013 #159

My response is reciprocal. mick063 Aug 2013 #160

Actions speak louder than words. Octafish Aug 2013 #118

I definitely think that's a goal of the Third Way/DLC, which he was a part of. Marr Aug 2013 #119

Nothing impresses the fat cats more than ... dawg Aug 2013 #141

No n/t Lisa D Aug 2013 #120

Done upi402 Aug 2013 #125

No I think he just realizes there is no pleasing them treestar Aug 2013 #131

What would be so disasterous about standing up to corporate power? Ken Burch Aug 2013 #170

I think he believes he is doing all of that treestar Aug 2013 #172

It's not about "never being happy"...it's about legitimate concerns. Ken Burch Aug 2013 #173

When he allowed his first chief of staff (Rahm Emmanuel) to keep his job HardTimes99 Aug 2013 #132

I'm convinced it's the party - I don't think he cares either way TBF Aug 2013 #146

^^this^^ Puzzledtraveller Aug 2013 #167

It's most of the party, not just the prez. CrispyQ Aug 2013 #148

Where are we going to go? That's the crux of it. dorkulon Aug 2013 #149

Trying? Who in his cabinet is a liberal or progressive? Rex Aug 2013 #152

Obama is merely a tool of the Bush family and friends in Plutonomy. Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #153

I don't know if he's leaning toward war with Syria / Iran. DirkGently Aug 2013 #154

Not him alone tavalon Aug 2013 #162

If he is you don't have a worry! whistler162 Aug 2013 #163

The good cop/bad cop argument needs to go. felix_numinous Aug 2013 #164

Every time we vote for the lesser of two evils, "lesser" becomes more evil. winter is coming Aug 2013 #168

It Is What It Is Right Now colsohlibgal Aug 2013 #169