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86. Oh puhleeze

Sat Aug 24, 2013, 08:24 AM

Aug 2013

Just what we need... another war. This fucking country is falling apart and going to hell. All it knows is war and guns.

It can spend resources on this shit but cut meals on wheels at home
It can spend resources on this shit but cut Headstart at home
It can spend resources on this shit but not on education at home
It can spend resources on this shit but not on infrastructure at home
It can spend resources on this shit but not on real jobs programs at home
It can spend resources on this shit but cut social security (which is what a chained CPI does) at home

And by the way, what of the murder the US committed against innocents in Iraq and its continuous murderous drones!
And stateside, there are enough gun murders that the US no longer has the moral standing or the revenue to intervene anytime, anywhere.

So not only am I against yet another military action, I frankly no longer give a damn. If the US would stay out of the middle east, stop supporting Israel and focus on the "homeland," we'd be better off.

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Did I just stop by DU and find people AGAINST military action on Syria? [View all] Barack_America Aug 2013 OP

How do you know it was Assad? Deep13 Aug 2013 #1

You believe Russia's excuse. Barack_America Aug 2013 #8

the 'rebels" SwampG8r Aug 2013 #10

The same people who killed our troops in Iraq...nt Jesus Malverde Aug 2013 #156

Haven't heard Russia's excuses. Deep13 Aug 2013 #23

We don't know who's responsible, but we do know who might benefit by this atrocity - the opposition leveymg Aug 2013 #81

Have you never heard of "False Flag" provocation used to justify Military Interventions?? bvar22 Aug 2013 #159

+1 Dont_Bogart_the_Pretzel Aug 2013 #184

Touch�, bvar22 Carolina Aug 2013 #205

BRAVO!! SQUEE Aug 2013 #206

Who are we fighting for Luminous Animal Aug 2013 #2

Don't ask me, I don't give a damn Art_from_Ark Aug 2013 #56

I'm with you, Art Carolina Aug 2013 #84

My mom and I were talking about exactly those things the other day Art_from_Ark Aug 2013 #93

+1...nt Jesus Malverde Aug 2013 #147

totally agree with you steve2470 Aug 2013 #105

And even if we got involved, the chance of actually making a net positive contrib is close to zero. reformist2 Aug 2013 #94

Geez can't somoene else be the world's police for once? Why do we have to be in perpetual war? liberal_at_heart Aug 2013 #3

agreed 100% nt steve2470 Aug 2013 #19

If you're comfortable passing the torch to Russia and China. Barack_America Aug 2013 #20

Russia and China are not the only countries in the UN. There are lots and lots and lots of countries liberal_at_heart Aug 2013 #33

Unfortunately, it's the superpowers who call the shots. Barack_America Aug 2013 #36

Which means you've given up on EVER ending the age of war. Ken Burch Aug 2013 #62

Wow, what a helpful post, NOT. Hey, anyone who objects to little kids getting gassed.... MADem Aug 2013 #70

That is worse than blowing them up with drones how? n/t eridani Aug 2013 #73

Who is "them?" MADem Aug 2013 #85

March 2003, Donald Rumsfeld: Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #92

We aren't lead dog, here, and Rummy is retired. MADem Aug 2013 #172

You're one of the few who recommended this post DisgustipatedinCA Aug 2013 #139

LOL! bvar22 Aug 2013 #162

You are obnoxious and rude, and proudly so, too. You're also dead wrong--as usual. MADem Aug 2013 #170

You're the one who likes to play old and wise DisgustipatedinCA Aug 2013 #189

I don't "play" anything. MADem Aug 2013 #191

There's no moral difference anymore between U.S. wars and Russian and Chinese wars. Ken Burch Aug 2013 #61

Like the USA cares about human rights ha ha ha you are killing me. rainy Aug 2013 #78

What about at least waiting for the UN to investigate? karynnj Aug 2013 #122

Speaking of "never again" NuclearDem Aug 2013 #4

what fucking pompous self-righteous bullshit MotherPetrie Aug 2013 #5

So, what's your diplomatic strategy? Barack_America Aug 2013 #11

Stay the fuck out of it. MotherPetrie Aug 2013 #43

Touche, MP Carolina Aug 2013 #88

Yep. And sign up for combat if you're a DU woman drumming for war. n/t JimDandy Aug 2013 #117

This message was self-deleted by its author Adam051188 Aug 2013 #140

I am against all current foreign US military action. Your OP does not call for diplomatic action, Vincardog Aug 2013 #187

+ 50,000 rug Aug 2013 #135

+1 progressoid Aug 2013 #202

I have doubts about unilateral military action bypassing the UN bhikkhu Aug 2013 #6

I don't think there's any plan to bypass the UN. MADem Aug 2013 #173

Even then, the security council would have to approve any action bhikkhu Aug 2013 #198

We might just make it worse. limpyhobbler Aug 2013 #7

That ain't true - did pretty good in Iraq and Afghanistan ConcernedCanuk Aug 2013 #29

i am against military action in syria SwampG8r Aug 2013 #9

That's an interesting list of grievances to equate with the use of chemical weapons... Barack_America Aug 2013 #13

our civil rights record SwampG8r Aug 2013 #17

Our civil rights record now is no good, but it has Assad's beat to shit. Barack_America Aug 2013 #30

sounds like a job for the un SwampG8r Aug 2013 #31

I agree wholeheartedly about the UN nt steve2470 Aug 2013 #38

It'll still be our troops and our money even if action is through the UN. Barack_America Aug 2013 #39

The UN does use troops from elsewhere muriel_volestrangler Aug 2013 #69

Whoa, I don't usually think of the UN as launching offensive actions. Not that they don't see their freshwest Aug 2013 #155

You are confusing the UN with NATO. We give MONEY to UN , and are cheap with the troops. MADem Aug 2013 #193

Em, didn't the US join WW2 after an incident at Pearl Harbor? SwissTony Aug 2013 #99

Nailed it. NuclearDem Aug 2013 #107

I agree. No thank you. A sectarian war with dozens of factions, 90% of whom dont like us anyway stevenleser Aug 2013 #165

I agree with every word of this post. n/t Butterbean Aug 2013 #182

Being against an attempt to start WWIII is not part and parcel with excusing what is going on. Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #12

This is the most convincing argument against thus far. Barack_America Aug 2013 #15

I'm with you there. n/t Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #18

Political Cover? PowerToThePeople Aug 2013 #44

WWIII? Are you fucking kidding? Even Putin wouldn't be that brazenly stupid! AverageJoe90 Aug 2013 #27

People said the same things in 1914.... Junkdrawer Aug 2013 #91

Exactly. jessie04 Aug 2013 #121

No, Jessie. Not exactly. Read my reply to Junkdrawer. AverageJoe90 Aug 2013 #175

Here's the problem, Junk: this isn't 1914. AverageJoe90 Aug 2013 #176

History never repeats, But it rhymes... Junkdrawer Aug 2013 #188

Apples and oranges. AverageJoe90 Aug 2013 #190

Consider how things escalate and egos flare and attack must be met with attack. Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #151

If the only resources expended were drones and cruise missiles, TexasTowelie Aug 2013 #14

This seems a cynical rhetorical argument cthulu2016 Aug 2013 #16

Much as it surprises me, i agree with cthulu2016 on this one peacebird Aug 2013 #82

More than cynical, it is weaponized rhetoric. The words themselves are an agrressive demand for Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #97

And why does this surprise you? PowerToThePeople Aug 2013 #21

I assume by "let it rain" you mean drop bombs on people. LeftyMom Aug 2013 #22

well it is a high def screen nt SwampG8r Aug 2013 #26

I'm assuming you're in the Armed Forces or have a friend or loved one who is ? steve2470 Aug 2013 #24

I can agree, but what about Russia? AverageJoe90 Aug 2013 #32

I agree with you about the consequences if Russia gets involved steve2470 Aug 2013 #34

What an idiotic thing to say Recursion Aug 2013 #25

+1000. nt awoke_in_2003 Aug 2013 #40

And I find myself seconding Recursion, this is a serious matter and should be addressed as such Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #102

That statement sounds a lot like Mnpaul Aug 2013 #152

Yes, and I hope you always do. Bolo Boffin Aug 2013 #28

The case against Assad has never been compelling. ucrdem Aug 2013 #35

Please provide your proof of Assad's guilt to the UN. I'm sure they'll appreciate it Scootaloo Aug 2013 #37

Perhaps the OP can get Colin Powell to go show the 'proof' to the UN. Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #104

Aluminum tubes! Evidence of absence! Destroy the world five times over! Scootaloo Aug 2013 #110

How about the "clip art" HangOnKids Aug 2013 #185

Our military budget is 600 times that of the next 50 countries combined. Initech Aug 2013 #41

So I take it OP is enlisted? ForgoTheConsequence Aug 2013 #42

And then, while we're in the neighborhood, Union Scribe Aug 2013 #45

this argument reminds me of the Iraq war invasion talking point quinnox Aug 2013 #46

If folks were being gassed in Israel and people were against intervening The Straight Story Aug 2013 #47

Intervening on behalf of the gassers would be unwise. ucrdem Aug 2013 #50

And people didn't think hitler would invade poland, etc, because it was stupid. The Straight Story Aug 2013 #52

But how is Assad Hitler? ucrdem Aug 2013 #54

How was hitler like hitler at the start? He didn't just kill millions in one weekend The Straight Story Aug 2013 #75

The war against the Nazis was not about their 'killing millions' it was about their territorial Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #109

I understand your concern. Not all of us are lopsidedly pro-Isreal. I can't stand that they keep liberal_at_heart Aug 2013 #53

It wouldn't matter to me if it was Israel Carolina Aug 2013 #89

Just bought stock in Haliburton,Dyncorp and Boeing.... dtom67 Aug 2013 #48

Get in at the bottom jakeXT Aug 2013 #68

oh well.... dtom67 Aug 2013 #194

We the people who frequent these pages have undergone somewhat abusive treatment SleeplessinSoCal Aug 2013 #49

I'm curious MFrohike Aug 2013 #51

Why in fuck would you be surprised DU is against military action?? Hissyspit Aug 2013 #55

We don't have the money to do it. Maybe if we cut back on cancer granny-arresting SWAT teams Warren DeMontague Aug 2013 #57

Nothing's as Keynsian as a war (nt) Recursion Aug 2013 #67

Syria was one of the 7 countries Bush wanted to go into newfie11 Aug 2013 #58

Problem is, NONE of the armed factions would be better. Ken Burch Aug 2013 #59

That OP sounds like something the Imperial War Office at Whitehall could have come out with in 1914. Ken Burch Aug 2013 #60

"Never Again" happens on a regular basis. cali Aug 2013 #63

Liberals arguing that the U.S. should give weapons to Syrian rebels underestimate Assad's power Douglas Carpenter Aug 2013 #64

Yeah, about that. JoeyT Aug 2013 #65

The Holocaust was not carried out during a civil war in Germany. How many civil wars do we join in? freshwest Aug 2013 #66

I oppose al Qaeda, that's why I oppose going to war against Syria. David__77 Aug 2013 #71

The problem is, not all the rebels are Al-Qaeda. AverageJoe90 Aug 2013 #174

Why is that a problem? I see the problem that many of them are, and almost all work with them. David__77 Aug 2013 #181

Explain how military intervention improves the situation eridani Aug 2013 #72

Hope this helps ... GeorgeGist Aug 2013 #74

If i could ban 3 things from ever existing in this universe darkangel218 Aug 2013 #76

It is not the proper use of our sons and daughters lives as military rainy Aug 2013 #77

Well, you've got a big heart. sibelian Aug 2013 #79

LMAO!!! darkangel218 Aug 2013 #83

I didn't. JVS Aug 2013 #115

IF the Assad regime were to be overthrown -- and that is very big IF - what next? Douglas Carpenter Aug 2013 #80

Oh puhleeze Carolina Aug 2013 #86

If you thought the attacks on Snowden/Manning were bad.... Junkdrawer Aug 2013 #87

John? John Bolton, is that you? notadmblnd Aug 2013 #90

don't be misled by a few loudmouths - 90% of us want more wars in the Middle East Douglas Carpenter Aug 2013 #95

yep, sign me up for us going into the Congo tomorrow steve2470 Aug 2013 #127

After the lie typeviic Aug 2013 #96

It's a civil war and neither side as a good claim to moral high ground OmahaBlueDog Aug 2013 #98

And so it begins AGAIN. 99Forever Aug 2013 #100

You're surprised that liberals are anti-war? Who do you believe the USA should back in this fight myrna minx Aug 2013 #101

Wow, not sure why you are shocked that some Du'ers don't want another war maddezmom Aug 2013 #103

It's the trial balloon. We're about to be inundated with this stuff. myrna minx Aug 2013 #108

I guess many do not trust the military to handle this correctly. Wonder why? n-t Logical Aug 2013 #106

Post removed Post removed Aug 2013 #111

+100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 Douglas Carpenter Aug 2013 #113

X a TRILLION too. bvar22 Aug 2013 #200

funny coincidence-- most people who recommended this OP also recommended pro-surveillance OP's Douglas Carpenter Aug 2013 #208

That was also my thought on the OP .... oldhippie Aug 2013 #116

I oppose military action in Syria. JVS Aug 2013 #112

"Syrian rebels won't advance U.S. interests: Joint Chiefs chairman" muriel_volestrangler Aug 2013 #114

Only thing I'd support is a targeted CIA-Navy Seal operation ecstatic Aug 2013 #118

Why don't we invite John McCain and Lindsey Graham over and see what they think? kentuck Aug 2013 #119

Keep in mind that, in avenging these deaths, we would be fighting for Al-Quaida or Hezbollah riqster Aug 2013 #120

We condoned it when Saddam used them agains Iran and his own people n2doc Aug 2013 #123

I can't believe we actually have war mongers here ... oldhippie Aug 2013 #124

He is different from John McCain. Unless I'm mistaken, AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #128

Sick, isn't it? I can't believe it either. It's not like we have a dog in this fight, especially Nay Aug 2013 #132

And you think a guy who murders people with remote controlled planes is the best Arctic Dave Aug 2013 #125

What's preventing you from going? During the Spanish Civil War, some Americans went. AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #126

It worked really well in Libya. mainer Aug 2013 #129

From an opposing view thread: chervilant Aug 2013 #130

We can't afford it. nt Bigmack Aug 2013 #131

I hope so. I just gave five bucks for a star and I don't want to demand a refund. rug Aug 2013 #133

Hooray! Three cheers for perpetual war!!! n/t kiawah Aug 2013 #134

I am certainly against military action. Coyotl Aug 2013 #136

I am very happy you just stopped by DU and found people AGAINST military action on Syria. Autumn Aug 2013 #137

LOL Didn't Democrats OWN 2006 & 2008 being antiwar? leftstreet Aug 2013 #138

Uh...drones and cruise missles kill civilians. Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2013 #141

The murder of innocent civilians is very disturbing to me. ZombieHorde Aug 2013 #142

Does the global community and it's findings matter ? Wash. state Desk Jet Aug 2013 #143

When they say "full support of the global community," ZombieHorde Aug 2013 #144

I really don't think that is what they mean zombiehorde Wash. state Desk Jet Aug 2013 #145

What do you think they mean by the phrase "global community?" ZombieHorde Aug 2013 #146

Don't you think there is a legitimate thing called the global watch dog ? Wash. state Desk Jet Aug 2013 #150

I don't know. ZombieHorde Aug 2013 #153

"Global community" = London, Paris, Washington, and maybe Bonn and Rome Comrade Grumpy Aug 2013 #157

What does Putin mean by our partners ? Wash. state Desk Jet Aug 2013 #195

Putin means same-sex lover, as opposed to other-sex lover. ZombieHorde Aug 2013 #196

Well then in your opinion I suppose that leaves plenty of room for real change. Wash. state Desk Jet Aug 2013 #197

Yes, by all means, let's empower another Islamist revolution. dorkulon Aug 2013 #148

Yes you did. I'm against US military action in Syria. Throd Aug 2013 #149

Awesome Warbone you're sporting Mr Liberal! whatchamacallit Aug 2013 #154

Why not comply with the law? reusrename Aug 2013 #158

I thought we waited too long for Bosnia and all but ignored Rwanda mick063 Aug 2013 #160

I would be tempted to agree with you Nevernose Aug 2013 #163

The captain of the boat is responsible for the course of his ship. mick063 Aug 2013 #164

Are you going to enlist and join this "noble cause"? Or urge your children or other young Lydia Leftcoast Aug 2013 #161

Thank you. GoCubsGo Aug 2013 #166

I'm against US military action in Syria The Second Stone Aug 2013 #167

This is why there is a United Nations. Blue_In_AK Aug 2013 #168

"Please enlighten me" LOL Corruption Inc Aug 2013 #169

Oh for fuck sakes Glassunion Aug 2013 #171

Why is killing people with bullets "legitimate" LittleBlue Aug 2013 #177

So the way to stop killing with one particular kind of weapon is to kill ALOT MORE people yurbud Aug 2013 #178

I don't know about "people." I am against it. LWolf Aug 2013 #179

Why do you believe what our gov't says about chem weapons, and even if used, that that's the reason yurbud Aug 2013 #180

You did, right here in this thread. Rex Aug 2013 #183

"The DU community now condones chemical murder of innocent civilians?" WorseBeforeBetter Aug 2013 #186

Have you paid attention to how our wars work? Bradical79 Aug 2013 #192

Might I remind you . . . markpkessinger Aug 2013 #199

You are pro-al Qaeda I guess. David__77 Aug 2013 #201

You first! atreides1 Aug 2013 #203

Yeah, you did. Iggo Aug 2013 #204

I'll reconsider my support of action in Syria as soon as you Vinnie From Indy Aug 2013 #207