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Ian David

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32. I have no problem with Bradley becoming Chelsea.

Reply to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sat Aug 24, 2013, 11:14 AM

Aug 2013

I'm much more troubled by Ben Affleck becoming Batman.

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re: DU's resident "transphobes" [View all] MannyGoldstein Aug 2013 OP

The majority here seem to want to do the right thing leftstreet Aug 2013 #1

I don't know why people would object to the use of proper terms if those terms are known.... xocet Aug 2013 #8

"A few folks" think bad about straights here also. What is the real point of this discussion? nt kelliekat44 Aug 2013 #82

I find it helps to just use Manning's last name. n/t PoliticAverse Aug 2013 #2

Good post. Arctic Dave Aug 2013 #3

Here I shall reveal my own "transphobia" by saying... TreasonousBastard Aug 2013 #4

Does it matter? MannyGoldstein Aug 2013 #5

Not really. It's just that it's having a slight appearance of fad about it... TreasonousBastard Aug 2013 #6

But how could something so difficult, requiring such profound life changes, have nomorenomore08 Aug 2013 #11

Over the years I have personally known quite a few people who... TreasonousBastard Aug 2013 #16

I'm sure a whole spectrum exists, like in most other things. nomorenomore08 Aug 2013 #18

Or it could just be that people have more freedom now to exist in a way that justiceischeap Aug 2013 #67

I am not sure how gender identity or sexual orientation is a "fad". uppityperson Aug 2013 #26

wow. you really need to educate yourself on transgenders. Most of these people have been the liberal_at_heart Aug 2013 #12

Educate myself? You have no idea what my past life has been and what... TreasonousBastard Aug 2013 #15

Well Chelsea asked people to start calling her Chelsea. There's no more experimenting on her end. liberal_at_heart Aug 2013 #17

Now see, chervilant Aug 2013 #19

seems like that is quite a bit of intolerance hfojvt Aug 2013 #31

"Barely disguised intolerance"? Not only don't you know the first thing about me,... TreasonousBastard Aug 2013 #33

You aren't on my IL. chervilant Aug 2013 #55

This is the kind of jumping on people that is just wrong treestar Aug 2013 #24

Serious Question for you, how do you know you've never met one? uppityperson Aug 2013 #25

OK you have a point treestar Aug 2013 #28

You likely have met Transgendered people but saw them as the sex that was obvious to you. bluestate10 Aug 2013 #80

I agree there are limits. Jim Lane Aug 2013 #21

Manny, enlightenment Aug 2013 #7

+1 nomorenomore08 Aug 2013 #14

Maybe they became vehement because every other poster is yelling at them. Heywood J Aug 2013 #22

First, it is not possible to 'yell' on an internet board, it is silent. Second, being vehemently Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #60

With all due respect, I think your language here shows a flawed premise. To wit, I don't HardTimes99 Aug 2013 #78

I'm on about the same page limpyhobbler Aug 2013 #9

Making a mistake is one thing Marrah_G Aug 2013 #10

40 years ago when I grew up, bigotry on the topic was the norm bhikkhu Aug 2013 #13

I watched the film "42" last night. Interesting film. I recommend it. Zorra Aug 2013 #20

omg I watched it last night also Marrah_G Aug 2013 #23

I watched 42 last night also. wild bird Aug 2013 #27

Me, too. And the depth of hate and bigotry expressed toward him was horrifying. Zorra Aug 2013 #39

The censorship police is out in full force. Beacool Aug 2013 #29

Pronouncing the same word differently is very different from referring to a person as they wish uppityperson Aug 2013 #30

We are talking about someone who divulged his country's confidential data to a foreigner. Beacool Aug 2013 #34

How do you feel about what Daniel Ellsberg did? MannyGoldstein Aug 2013 #36

The Pentagon Papers? Beacool Aug 2013 #52

But what do you think of what Ellsberg did? MannyGoldstein Aug 2013 #56

I would have to do more research on Ellsberg. Beacool Aug 2013 #59

I don't care how you feel about Chelsea NuclearDem Aug 2013 #41

Not calling Manning a she is not an offense against the entire transgender community. Beacool Aug 2013 #48

So only 'the good ones' get respectful speech? I'm thinking of Ali again, he was an objector to the Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #54

I seem to keep repeating myself. Beacool Aug 2013 #58

I agree with the above poster's recommendation: Just use the last name. CakeGrrl Aug 2013 #62

If you don't want to be chastised for calling Chelsea "he" Laughing Mirror Aug 2013 #63

How about letting people address Manning as they choose? Beacool Aug 2013 #64

How about addressing her as she has asked to be addressed rather than browbeating her? Laughing Mirror Aug 2013 #65

How about you address any of the extremely valid points and questions? The dismissive attitude reeks Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #68

I disapprove of pretty much everything Ann Coulter says - Morning Dew Aug 2013 #72

The people who are unwilling to "indulge" (as you put it) Manning noamnety Aug 2013 #73

exactly THIS! - there is deliberate and willful intolerance here and it is hateful. bettyellen Aug 2013 #77

It's totally your right to insult Chelsea by calling her Bradley if you wish to. Zorra Aug 2013 #43

Calling someone by their legal name is an insult? Beacool Aug 2013 #51

I get it now. You don't want to address Chelsea by the name she wishes to be addressed by because Zorra Aug 2013 #76

Her actions and her name/gender are 2 seperate issues. Continuing to refer to her as "Bradley" you uppityperson Aug 2013 #81

Bea, ask your transgendered friends how they feel.... Marrah_G Aug 2013 #45

Marrah, I'm not trying to hurt anyone, specially anyone on DU who might be transgendered. Beacool Aug 2013 #50

A performer who has issues with ANY name change is pretty surprising. Performers change names often Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #57

Oh boy, that's why it's always better not to touch these kinds of threads with a ten foot pole. Beacool Aug 2013 #61

And this, my DU compatriots, is how you DON'T win hearts and minds. randome Aug 2013 #66

Honest? Utterly evasive, dismissive uncommuicative and nonresponsive. Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #69

I'm only going by the posts in this thread. randome Aug 2013 #71

I don't think there's all that much to "get." noamnety Aug 2013 #79

I have no problem with Manning's personal choices. Beacool Aug 2013 #70

I have no problem with Bradley becoming Chelsea. Ian David Aug 2013 #32

Yeah, what's up with that? Beacool Aug 2013 #35

Hey man, Affleck was da bomb in Phantoms yo!! Inkfreak Aug 2013 #44

NBC news mentioned that Manninng will not get mail unless it's addressed to Bradley KinMd Aug 2013 #37

If there are any DOD-controlled personae out there MannyGoldstein Aug 2013 #40

Great post Boom Sound 416 Aug 2013 #38

It's more accurate to say Chelsea was treated as Bradley MillennialDem Aug 2013 #42

What we are witnessing is a form of one upmanship Bunnahabhain Aug 2013 #46

Many are confused and harber no malice. 99Forever Aug 2013 #47

Chelsea has been Chelsea in Bradley's mind for her entire life lunatica Aug 2013 #49

People sometimes just make mistakes shenmue Aug 2013 #53

I just think we need at least fifteen more threads discussing this... Demo_Chris Aug 2013 #74

gosh Chris- is it me or do you like to put down other, less privileged peoples' concerns on a bettyellen Aug 2013 #75