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MADem

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94. I hate false constructs. This whole "Waaah waaah waah Syria WAR" bullshit is just trolling, IMO.

Sat Aug 24, 2013, 04:24 PM

Aug 2013

I don't think anyone who thinks about it likes the idea of children getting gassed.

I don't think anyone who thinks about it wants the wrong person/group to be accused of using chemical weapons--whoever ACTUALLY used them should be called to answer. Hopefully the UN weapons inspection team in Syria can figure that piece out.

I don't think anyone who thinks about it wants the US to act unilaterally--they would prefer that if we were involved in an action to take out chemical weapons, that we act with the concurrence of the international community.

Yet, there are a few folks here who are deliberately name-calling, accusing people of being warmongers, pro-attack, PNACers, Rumsfelds.... all that happy trolling horseshit, when none of it is true.

It makes DU suck.

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Did I just stop by DU and find people PUSHING for war against Syria? [View all] Ken Burch Aug 2013 OP

Remember in the 2000 debates when Gore said he wished we'd invaded Rwanda? Recursion Aug 2013 #1

Some people are obsessed with trying to prove, despite the overwhelming evidence, Ken Burch Aug 2013 #3

Which black, brown, or yellow people were we killing in Bosnia and Kosovo? Recursion Aug 2013 #5

Bosnia and Kosovo were one-offs. Ken Burch Aug 2013 #6

Iraq and Afghanistan were one-offs Recursion Aug 2013 #12

No, they were what USUALLY happens. Ken Burch Aug 2013 #16

Do you legitimately not see the differences, or are you like... drunk? high? DireStrike Aug 2013 #34

I'm not the one pretending there's some constant template for US military actions Recursion Aug 2013 #37

Can you give an example of a US military action/war, other than the balkans, which was not for these DireStrike Aug 2013 #72

Yes, we had secret wars in Central America, backed Coups in Latin America sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #104

Actually we were in both countries at least twice. Neither time benefited either country. sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #79

Bosnia and Kosovo didn't have the elements that Syria have. bluestate10 Aug 2013 #147

I was going to respond here - but decided it deserved its own thread. HumansAndResources Aug 2013 #163

that's truly a lame argument. cali Aug 2013 #22

How is questioning the usefulness of U.S. military intervention "paternalist"? Ken Burch Aug 2013 #25

We killed civilians in Kosovo, quite a few of them. another_liberal Aug 2013 #41

Really, it just HAS to be about race ALL the time, doesnt it? 7962 Aug 2013 #137

It's must be some kind of alchemy or an attempt to square the circle. JVS Aug 2013 #75

R2P was directly created because of Rwanda. joshcryer Aug 2013 #4

No leftist results came of R2P Ken Burch Aug 2013 #7

OFFS. Syria produces less oil than Vietnam Recursion Aug 2013 #9

Ok, then, for the "spheres of influence" game... Ken Burch Aug 2013 #13

False statement Ichingcarpenter Aug 2013 #14

I've been over this too many times. joshcryer Aug 2013 #15

Gaddafi was already doomed to go out of power by the time "the West" stepped in. Ken Burch Aug 2013 #18

Libya is a mess right now. Not for the 'western business' Corps and its puppet government sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #111

"Funny that we don't 'support the rebels, who are actually REAL rebels in Bahrain, or in Uzbekistan" EX500rider Aug 2013 #118

I believe people like Hillary who told us we used a 'proxie army' in Libya and 'that is how we sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #129

Pretty incoherent, isn't it? joshcryer Aug 2013 #174

The ONLY winners in Libya were the Global Banks, The IMF, ... bvar22 Aug 2013 #159

I just knew I'd find you here beating the drums of war. nt Bonobo Aug 2013 #24

Nope. I am on record against intervening in Syria. joshcryer Aug 2013 #27

Is there a way to insult someone LOVINGLY? Ken Burch Aug 2013 #30

I'm used to passive aggressive insults from that poster. joshcryer Aug 2013 #33

This message was self-deleted by its author Bonobo Aug 2013 #40

Considering the hateful shit you poured out in the last 24 hours... Bonobo Aug 2013 #31

Angst? I'm merely recognizing the character. joshcryer Aug 2013 #32

Libya was decidely in terms of installing a more compliant government Arctic Dave Aug 2013 #86

The west is already trying to split Libya up. joshcryer Aug 2013 #164

While it was not immediately successful in Burma it did lead to a sustained effort to create grantcart Aug 2013 #135

Ahh, yeah, I didn't mean it was responsible for the deaths. joshcryer Aug 2013 #176

I don't have time to follow the details but all of the remarks, sans yours, have missed grantcart Aug 2013 #187

Except the Clinton/Gore administration wasn't "the left" MotherPetrie Aug 2013 #59

Gore wanted to stop the genocide. Enthusiast Aug 2013 #108

but this will be the war to end all wars and to keep the world safe for democracy Douglas Carpenter Aug 2013 #2

And the League of Nations and the Treaty of Versailles will take care of everything else Ken Burch Aug 2013 #8

I don't Know Egnever Aug 2013 #10

Yes, and I hope that you always do. Bolo Boffin Aug 2013 #11

I favor territorial defense of American soil from outside attack. Ken Burch Aug 2013 #20

What about stopping a Hitler-type who is committing genocide? n/t SylviaD Aug 2013 #146

That hasn't been what any recent wars were really about. Ken Burch Aug 2013 #149

..but if there really was a madman committing genocide, don't we have a moral obligation to stop it? SylviaD Aug 2013 #153

Where are people "pushing for war" either here or in DC? MADem Aug 2013 #17

We'll just use a few nice, clean cruise missles, eh? another_liberal Aug 2013 #42

Only with the concurrence of the United Nations. MADem Aug 2013 #46

Forgot Iraq and Afghanistan already? another_liberal Aug 2013 #54

So, you want the UN to just ignore this and let Syria keep gassing little kids, then? MADem Aug 2013 #78

If the UN decides a peacekeeping mission is needed pscot Aug 2013 #105

Pssst.....I've got some shocking news for you...we DO this already!!! We've done it for decades! MADem Aug 2013 #106

No, of course not . . . another_liberal Aug 2013 #112

No, but your inability to see my POV merited that response. MADem Aug 2013 #113

It would be so nice . . . another_liberal Aug 2013 #116

IF al Assad or any other actor is gassing people, and we are able to determine MADem Aug 2013 #119

Colin Powell held up a vial of anthrax at the United Nations, and the rest is history. another_liberal Aug 2013 #126

And what does he have to do with this situation? Hmmmm? Nothing? MADem Aug 2013 #170

The problem is the types of weapons here 7962 Aug 2013 #139

It depends entirely on where the weapons are located. MADem Aug 2013 #172

While I agree that the way theyre stored and location is important, 7962 Aug 2013 #184

Even though "we" would NOT be thick "on the ground" doing a CW destruction protocol MADem Aug 2013 #186

If the UN does nothing, yes. It is not our responsibility to clean up every genocidal mess bluestate10 Aug 2013 #150

Do you hear me talking about acting outside a UN imprimatur? No? Well, then why go off on me MADem Aug 2013 #168

This message was self-deleted by its author TreasonousBastard Aug 2013 #154

What happens when a cruise missile hits a "stockpile of poison"? Comrade Grumpy Aug 2013 #71

The weapons are binary, usually. MADem Aug 2013 #76

Yeah, looked how well that worked in Iraq the first time. Arctic Dave Aug 2013 #87

WTF are you talking about? MADem Aug 2013 #89

Really. How are they going to figure who did it? Arctic Dave Aug 2013 #91

There might be a note. MADem Aug 2013 #96

Yeah, we destroyed them in a slow methodical way. Arctic Dave Aug 2013 #98

That's what the UN team is going to have to sort out. MADem Aug 2013 #100

Saddam destroyed his WMDs. joshcryer Aug 2013 #177

I was refering to Clusterfuck One. Arctic Dave Aug 2013 #188

What about human shields? another_liberal Aug 2013 #132

al Assad is no Saddam. Saddam's population was pacified and cowed, even those who opposed him. MADem Aug 2013 #175

Doing nothing is far better . . . another_liberal Aug 2013 #194

In the absence of proof of who did it, and since it was obviously not in the interest of Assad to do leveymg Aug 2013 #47

I don't mean to be rude, but isn't the purpose of a UN investigation to determine "who did it?" MADem Aug 2013 #49

My point stands - when the most likely culprit is not the regime, why does the US talk about missile leveymg Aug 2013 #50

You do realize that war planning is what they do at the Pentagon, each and every day? MADem Aug 2013 #67

There is heavy bias and no balance being expressed-no mention of the possibility that the opposition leveymg Aug 2013 #68

You haven't kept up with what is going on at the UN. MADem Aug 2013 #70

Nobody is going to be able to figure out who pulled the trigger on this one. Here's why: leveymg Aug 2013 #77

No offense, but you are assuming that the intel has to be "real time" and it doesn't. MADem Aug 2013 #81

If we have such a capability (and probably do) it's near real-time. So, if there were an order leveymg Aug 2013 #85

Not always--that would only be the case if we had an asset close to the throne, and MADem Aug 2013 #88

You seem to assume that we can't decrypt older Russian communications equipment. leveymg Aug 2013 #90

You can't decrypt what wasn't transmitted. MADem Aug 2013 #99

The worst thing we can do is to punish the wrong side and reward the perpetrators. leveymg Aug 2013 #101

Who is suggesting that we do that, though? There IS a UN team IN SYRIA, right NOW. MADem Aug 2013 #103

You mean THIS UN?: Ocelot Aug 2013 #131

+1 NealK Aug 2013 #166

The UN bought Powell's 'WMD on every corner' speech. Shock and Awe was sold as 'precision bombing' Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #57

Well, that will set the bar that much higher. It won't be us going in there and pleading for a MADem Aug 2013 #69

"we carpet bombed" EX500rider Aug 2013 #134

The UN didn't "buy" anything. joshcryer Aug 2013 #178

No, that is explicitly NOT the point. David__77 Aug 2013 #114

I don't think that is accurate. MADem Aug 2013 #121

No, it's accurate. David__77 Aug 2013 #141

Fox news? Come off it--they won't report, becaue they are constrained from making a determination. MADem Aug 2013 #169

"Evidence on tape?" Of what? David__77 Aug 2013 #171

One more time--the report will contain within it evidence of where the attack originated, MADem Aug 2013 #173

"Warfighting" is a PNAC term. Also, in answer to your question... DisgustipatedinCA Aug 2013 #60

You've got to be kidding me. Way to show us what you don't know and don't understand! MADem Aug 2013 #66

You're a real kick. It might've worked if you didn't get over dramatic in paragraph 3 DisgustipatedinCA Aug 2013 #107

Look who's talking--you've got the "over dramatic" market cornered. nt MADem Aug 2013 #109

In this thread. Rex Aug 2013 #92

I hate false constructs. This whole "Waaah waaah waah Syria WAR" bullshit is just trolling, IMO. MADem Aug 2013 #94

Nevermind. Rex Aug 2013 #95

Well, I agree with you. MADem Aug 2013 #97

What about the killing of children with drones? Ocelot Aug 2013 #122

If you want to talk about that, start a thread on it. Thi thread is about emergent issues in Syria MADem Aug 2013 #124

It's related because the OP is about US Mideast Policy, not your narrow view of it Ocelot Aug 2013 #128

I'm not giving orders, but what I am doing is giving the remarks issuing from you the weight they MADem Aug 2013 #179

Well they are WRONG. Human nature wants to help Rex Aug 2013 #130

Again, I agree with you. MADem Aug 2013 #180

It makes DU suck because? Ocelot Aug 2013 #136

Well, if that's the way you want to define YOURSELF, I am certainly not going to disabuse you of MADem Aug 2013 #182

Unfortunately, the Only Requirement for Posting on this Site Demeter Aug 2013 #19

I will stand by My prediction, BillyRibs Aug 2013 #21

I have also been Ilsa Aug 2013 #36

Are war crimes bad again? JoeyT Aug 2013 #23

Wow. Clever, impressive, powerful. Democracyinkind Aug 2013 #26

Yellow Cake... was yesterdays reason Ichingcarpenter Aug 2013 #35

Your sentence #1 is enough. Kick, Rec. n/t Smarmie Doofus Aug 2013 #28

No win....nothing positive comes out of it....nada Hulk Aug 2013 #29

Leave Syria to it's own devices. Is it important to maintain a presence to tap into the mid-east geckosfeet Aug 2013 #38

That is sickening to see here. another_liberal Aug 2013 #39

I don't believe it has been established that they were exposed to Sarin gas eilen Aug 2013 #189

I agree with the majority of your post however mimi85 Aug 2013 #43

Whatever the answers are . . . another_liberal Aug 2013 #44

America - "The Worlds' Policeman". mwooldri Aug 2013 #45

Should America DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2013 #48

Syria is gonna attack us or its neighbors??? Ichingcarpenter Aug 2013 #51

The point flew right over your head. DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2013 #53

Uh...we were allies with a genocidal regime in World War 2. DisgustipatedinCA Aug 2013 #61

It was the lesser of two evils unless you think we could have have/should have joined the AXIS./nt DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2013 #73

JC on a crutch! Stalin wasn't "the lesser of two evils". delrem Aug 2013 #138

Should we have joined the AXIS?nt DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2013 #185

The anti-Syrian al Qaeda terrorists are genocidal, no? Why support them? David__77 Aug 2013 #115

I'm not advocating attacking anybody unless attacking them can prove efficacious. DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2013 #120

The problem is that Hitler analogy applies much more to the sectarian insurgents than to Syria. David__77 Aug 2013 #140

None of the allies in World War 2 were in the war to stop a genocide. n/t DisgustipatedinCA Aug 2013 #193

You forgot the sarcasm thingie...........nt Enthusiast Aug 2013 #110

Actually, we didn't wait eilen Aug 2013 #190

Didn't they declare war on us after we declared war on Japan? DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2013 #192

Jury results (of other thread) PowerToThePeople Aug 2013 #52

The thread should not have been hidden. David__77 Aug 2013 #142

Warmaniacs are right wing (imo) PowerToThePeople Aug 2013 #144

You have to fight right-wing manifestations head-on. David__77 Aug 2013 #145

My default stance is a pacifist anti-intervention one steve2470 Aug 2013 #55

If being a War Pig is now required... 99Forever Aug 2013 #56

There's money to be made in war. Those military contractor dollars can't just spend themselves... MotherPetrie Aug 2013 #58

Even though Colin Powell hasn't yet made his appearance with irrefutable evidence yet. Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2013 #62

Condi Rice is probably gathering it for him right now. avaistheone1 Aug 2013 #74

And buying the usual lies malaise Aug 2013 #63

Some people think that a few bombs can make anything better. dawg Aug 2013 #64

After the response by the 'pro-spying', NSA supporters...nothing surprises me around DU anymore. Purveyor Aug 2013 #65

Be careful. It isn't the pro spying people calling for intervention in Syria. bluestate10 Aug 2013 #155

Same hair of fire, end of the world, NSA talk railsback Aug 2013 #80

Want war with Iran? Jackpine Radical Aug 2013 #82

K&R for the plain truth Warpy Aug 2013 #83

The President has a D next to his name. Works for me Taverner Aug 2013 #84

Yes in this thread here. Rex Aug 2013 #93

Syria are Iran's #1 ally. America is Israel's #1 ally. Israel desperately wants war with Iran. Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #102

Fuck that the last thing we need is another war! gopiscrap Aug 2013 #117

Big tent and all that. OnyxCollie Aug 2013 #123

K&R Ocelot Aug 2013 #125

No need for a war. dipsydoodle Aug 2013 #127

Fuck war. ZombieHorde Aug 2013 #133

The same people will be railing about extra-judicial executions when the USA has to use bluestate10 Aug 2013 #143

Who made us the boss of everyone? allinthegame Aug 2013 #148

It's time Liberals stop acting like war is just a policy decision. Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2013 #151

Mighty Authoritarian is all in the open all of a sudden. Octafish Aug 2013 #152

Wow! Did I miss something? N/T Dr Hobbitstein Aug 2013 #156

Some armchair warriors have a different agenda TomClash Aug 2013 #157

Reminder locks Aug 2013 #158

"we arrived there just in time" --Reagan on Grenada MisterP Aug 2013 #161

It's those NEW Democrats, I tells ya!!! DeSwiss Aug 2013 #160

K&R LostOne4Ever Aug 2013 #162

Absolutely right! We can't do a damn bit of good with our military. gtar100 Aug 2013 #165

+1 area51 Aug 2013 #167

+1 million!!! darkangel218 Aug 2013 #183

I'm sick of the US playing world policeman!!! B Calm Aug 2013 #181

Very few DU members support this and they are very noisy The Second Stone Aug 2013 #191