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FloridaJudy

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259. Get some education

Sun Aug 25, 2013, 02:06 AM

Aug 2013

Transgenders don't just wish to be of another gender. Their brains are wired like that of the sex they feel they belong to. It's no more of a "choice" than being left-handed, gay, or having blue eyes. And yes, this has been proven scientifically, if you want objective reality.

I was born a ginger in a dark-haired family. Crude jokes about the mailman aside, it wasn't a problem. But if it had been, I could change that. The remedy's available in every supermarket and drugstore.

Trans people have options for change, but they're neither simple nor easily available. I can't begin to imagine what it feels like to be stuck in a body that feels just plain wrong. And I feel that losing weight is a struggle!

Human gender isn't a cookie-cutter affair. Pick up a medical genetics textbook if you doubt me. Lots of people's apparent sex doesn't even match their chromosomes, let alone their brains.

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Today I learned that many people posting here are transphobic. [View all] Warren Stupidity Aug 2013 OP

I've learned more here about transphobia than gender dysphoria leftstreet Aug 2013 #1

It's absolutely maddening. NuclearDem Aug 2013 #2

I have learned that being ambiguous about the pronouns is kestrel91316 Aug 2013 #30

Why would you be "ambiguous" about the pronoun? noamnety Aug 2013 #213

I AM NOT WILLFULLY REFUSING TO ACKNOWLEDGE ANY GODDAMNED THING. kestrel91316 Aug 2013 #215

There are good ways and bad ways to respond to these things. noamnety Aug 2013 #224

+1000000 Jamastiene Aug 2013 #226

Sorry, I'm not buying it. You're a veterinarian, right? Heidi Aug 2013 #247

reading and writing comprehension Supersedeas Aug 2013 #256

Must have disheartened you LittleBlue Aug 2013 #3

I hope I'm not included in this Xipe Totec Aug 2013 #4

what's weird for me is that I've only seen one thread. I guess that means I have the right people on liberal_at_heart Aug 2013 #5

I just logged on to read the latest. Maybe I was unlucky. Warren Stupidity Aug 2013 #6

you don't have to. I've seen how some of these posters can get regarding other topics. I can liberal_at_heart Aug 2013 #7

All it takes is for an open minded person to meet a transgendered.... alittlelark Aug 2013 #8

i've never met a transgendered person (edited ... opps, wrong, it was no big deal that i forgot it. shireen Aug 2013 #202

I'm sorry for you and your child to have to see this enigmatic Aug 2013 #9

... William769 Aug 2013 #10

sorry u had to see that here at du Liberal_in_LA Aug 2013 #11

All of us who are trans* Ms. Toad Aug 2013 #12

Hugs Catherina Aug 2013 #126

The BOGers get pretty dirty sometimes when defending the president Doctor_J Aug 2013 #13

Manning will be remembered positively long after Obama has become a mere footnote in history and HardTimes99 Aug 2013 #23

Oh bullshit... trumad Aug 2013 #63

What Manning taught us about our government is no small thing. another_liberal Aug 2013 #77

First off---He is a he.... trumad Aug 2013 #80

SHE. backscatter712 Aug 2013 #83

May she soon be free . . . another_liberal Aug 2013 #87

You are confusing me with others on this string. another_liberal Aug 2013 #90

One more voice for sanity... whathehell Aug 2013 #211

One can be whatever one wants if they need to be free, grandpa. East Coast Pirate Aug 2013 #219

In your head, perhaps whathehell Aug 2013 #231

In red areas and your yard. East Coast Pirate Aug 2013 #232

Sure.. whathehell Aug 2013 #234

You do understand that she is transgender and that she wants to go through the transition process. hrmjustin Aug 2013 #233

Yes, I do understand that whathehell Aug 2013 #236

Well that is rude. If a person is transgender and has not completely transition you still call the hrmjustin Aug 2013 #237

Well, that is your opinion, not mine. whathehell Aug 2013 #238

If you were in front of a person who is transgender that has not fully transition would you still hrmjustin Aug 2013 #239

If I were in front of that person whathehell Aug 2013 #240

If you had a friend that wanted to be refered to as she and she was not completely female yet would hrmjustin Aug 2013 #241

That's a tough one.. whathehell Aug 2013 #242

What is a delusion? hrmjustin Aug 2013 #244

According to the dictionary, whathehell Aug 2013 #245

I know what the wrod means, I was asking about what you said. hrmjustin Aug 2013 #246

You asked me what a delusion was whathehell Aug 2013 #249

This message was self-deleted by its author hrmjustin Aug 2013 #250

I am going to bed. Had a bus day today. If you wish to discuss further I will can. Good night. hrmjustin Aug 2013 #251

Good night. n/t whathehell Aug 2013 #252

I'll be honest, I alerted on this post for calling transgendered people delusional... Humanist_Activist Aug 2013 #258

Get some education FloridaJudy Aug 2013 #259

You get some education.. whathehell Aug 2013 #261

Two points FloridaJudy Aug 2013 #262

Maybe you belong in Florida after all. East Coast Pirate Aug 2013 #218

What Manning taught us is mostly what we already knew. If you were born before 1950 all of these kelliekat44 Aug 2013 #82

I knew some things about how we really conduct our foreign affairs. another_liberal Aug 2013 #86

That is a persistent LIE at DU. bvar22 Aug 2013 #206

this is not about politics DonCoquixote Aug 2013 #124

Agreed. I was responding to the poster who referenced the BOG playing HardTimes99 Aug 2013 #129

That's rich coming from you. great white snark Aug 2013 #67

You really hate BOGers. It shows all over you. DevonRex Aug 2013 #71

I don't think you understand what hate means, LWolf Aug 2013 #95

indeed. I am deeply disappointed in the president and those who Doctor_J Aug 2013 #130

I understand it quite well, thank you so much. nt DevonRex Aug 2013 #181

I am not a fan of that Puglover Aug 2013 #106

Well, I have been banned from LGBT group due to a little skirmish awhile back Doctor_J Aug 2013 #139

Shoot me a PM and I'll chit chat with the other hosts. Puglover Aug 2013 #201

Thank you Puglover. DevonRex Aug 2013 #216

God almighty Devon. Puglover Aug 2013 #221

What has the President got to do with the price of eggs in China? treestar Aug 2013 #120

Are you trying to make up new acronyms on your own? You have to go through the committee dude- snooper2 Aug 2013 #142

BOGer = Birth Only Gender? Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2013 #179

Worst comment I've ever seen here was let stand 3-3 cthulu2016 Aug 2013 #14

I've alerted two posts. ForgoTheConsequence Aug 2013 #18

there is something funny going on with SwampG8r Aug 2013 #36

There has to be Aerows Aug 2013 #46

I alerted a transphobic post yesterday and got it hidden and MIRT'ed steve2470 Aug 2013 #61

being a quiet sock would not work totally hfojvt Aug 2013 #94

many of those SwampG8r Aug 2013 #111

You have to be logged in to be selected for jury. For your theory to work ... Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2013 #176

good points SwampG8r Aug 2013 #230

Sad. I had a comment hidden from a non-serious thread for using the word "teleprompter"!! 7962 Aug 2013 #73

Teleprompter? Teleprompter! Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2013 #180

Careful!! 7962 Aug 2013 #185

This may just be the free-flowing nature of DU Doctor_J Aug 2013 #146

juries lean intolerant. I asked Skinner about it CreekDog Aug 2013 #147

I didn't have a problem with it when we found out about Chelsea Hydra Aug 2013 #15

Sadly, not much surprises me anymore. morningfog Aug 2013 #16

This message was self-deleted by its author Cronus Protagonist Aug 2013 #17

met my first transgender person a couple months back dembotoz Aug 2013 #19

Met my first transgender 30 years ago when I shared an office. Everyone was cool about it. Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2013 #65

Agreed. I've never met a transgender. That I KNOW of. 7962 Aug 2013 #76

I worked with a transgender gal Skittles Aug 2013 #153

I really Tien1985 Aug 2013 #204

You're right. Sorry about that. I was probably posting too fast, which is a reason, not an excuse. Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2013 #210

I wish there were a better suffix than "phobic" thesquanderer Aug 2013 #20

Yup. Transphobia ISN'T a phobia. eggplant Aug 2013 #115

Phobic can also be a suffix for something that is repelled OnlinePoker Aug 2013 #163

And the people who tell off the bigots get posts hidden. backscatter712 Aug 2013 #21

see my reply 36 think about it nt SwampG8r Aug 2013 #37

A pediatric surgeon I knew changed genders... Octafish Aug 2013 #22

I've always believed that people should mind their own business. pacalo Aug 2013 #24

Yep get the red out Aug 2013 #114

I haven't seen a single one, which means I must have all the little piggie transphobes on ignore. Zorra Aug 2013 #25

I risked a hide telling one of the fuckers what I really think. backscatter712 Aug 2013 #100

Yup, first sign of that, and I never have to see them again! It works well for me, too. freshwest Aug 2013 #227

I know this will sound cliche, but I have two dear friends who are transgendered. Flatulo Aug 2013 #26

I agree with you. Myrina Aug 2013 #102

Yeah, I think some people believe that tolerance is enough, and in many cases it is, but Flatulo Aug 2013 #109

One of my good friends from the Malloy board was born with both genders.... Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2013 #27

The posts here broke my heart! I can not imagine how hurt you must feel. hrmjustin Aug 2013 #28

I hope the world your child grows up to see Ken Burch Aug 2013 #29

Some of us are here for you theHandpuppet Aug 2013 #31

This might help someone out there damnedifIknow Aug 2013 #32

I'm so sorry you and your child endure such bigotry. myrna minx Aug 2013 #33

May we all become educated and compassionate toward all fellow human beings. n/t Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #34

Unlikely, but we can hope. Dark n Stormy Knight Aug 2013 #122

When Manning released their pictures an OP was made. joshcryer Aug 2013 #35

see reply 36 nt SwampG8r Aug 2013 #38

and I'm not shocked by you continuing your unfounded smear campaign cali Aug 2013 #135

Chance of serving on a Jury: 0% ...looks like that poster has some issues. n/t L0oniX Aug 2013 #200

I'm not sure that Catherina is homophobic or against transgenders from that OP. Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #143

It was outrage over calling it a mental illness too. Neoma Aug 2013 #148

Did Catherina say that? I'd definitely like to know if so.. Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #157

She posted the article that said it It is at the end of her OP. Neoma Aug 2013 #159

Okay, thanks. This is mis-communication; Catherina is not homophobic but the army is, etc. Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #166

Yeah. Neoma Aug 2013 #167

Hence the conversation-starters :) Communication, not reaction. Thanks! Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #169

josh, that is simply not fair. Concern for the ramifications of that photo's release from segments hlthe2b Aug 2013 #144

Just when I think you may have a decent bone in your body. Bonobo Aug 2013 #149

I think you misunderstood Catherina's post maddezmom Aug 2013 #150

But the prosecution didn't release it....the defense did. The fact that she refused to acknowledge msanthrope Aug 2013 #177

I thought the defense used the pictures at the trial but the Army posted it....regardless maddezmom Aug 2013 #189

The Army is under a FOIA order, filed by the press and supporters of Manning, who wished msanthrope Aug 2013 #190

Thanks for the info maddezmom Aug 2013 #192

I happen to think that Skinner, EarlG, and Elad are fucking geniuses. And I don't say that lightly. msanthrope Aug 2013 #193

The only problem is some maddezmom Aug 2013 #194

They are soooooooo clever....nt msanthrope Aug 2013 #199

Dude, you're just way out of line. Neoma Aug 2013 #161

your post is disgusting and purposely misleading. nt xchrom Aug 2013 #174

...and then there is a mass of your self deleted posts ...to avoid getting them hidden? n/t L0oniX Aug 2013 #196

That seems to be a blatant misrepresentation of the situation, to put it mildly. Warren DeMontague Aug 2013 #203

I got the impression it wasn't transphobia, but poor fact checking... Violet_Crumble Aug 2013 #260

Can you give it a rest? Yesterday was enough as evidenced by the snappyturtle Aug 2013 #209

K&R from a gay man. nt livingwagenow Aug 2013 #39

I must be truly gifted. I haven't seen a single hurtful post here. Half-Century Man Aug 2013 #40

Absolute ignorance - off the chart with some outright shameless bigotry imo lunasun Aug 2013 #41

I do not believe most members of DU are transphobic. branford Aug 2013 #42

No not most, but plenty are prejudiced against transgendered people and gay people it is Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #84

wish things were different Chaco Dundee Aug 2013 #43

Thank you, Warren Stupidity, for telling it like it is. Heidi Aug 2013 #44

It is utterly shameful to see - Hell Hath No Fury Aug 2013 #45

Yeah Warren DeMontague Aug 2013 #47

+1 TomClash Aug 2013 #48

I did not see one thing Blecht Aug 2013 #49

You only learned that today? Recursion Aug 2013 #50

I could see it coming so I avoided DU most of today...nt uriel1972 Aug 2013 #51

It has been very disillusioning madaboutharry Aug 2013 #52

There is a long history of transphobia and homophobia here. Jamastiene Aug 2013 #53

Theres really a homophobia/transphobia contingent on DU? Of all places? 7962 Aug 2013 #81

Yes there is. NealK Aug 2013 #225

I'm so sorry Warren, that you've had to endure Emit Aug 2013 #54

Oh man! another_liberal Aug 2013 #75

Alert abuse on your jury results notice. Ms. Toad Aug 2013 #92

+1 freshwest Aug 2013 #228

Anyone transphobic should be instabanned Starry Messenger Aug 2013 #55

Who are we to judge. Phlem Aug 2013 #56

with respect to right wingers Phlem Aug 2013 #60

I finally read some of it. Blecccccchhhhh! Morning Dew Aug 2013 #57

The internet is a hateful place mockmonkey Aug 2013 #58

a lot of people have had little exposure to transgender people. Douglas Carpenter Aug 2013 #59

My child's godfather is TG. 35 years of hell until the surgery was completed. But it still wasn't freshwest Aug 2013 #62

i just want to hug you barbtries Aug 2013 #254

Thanks, I'm having to go back and edit because it still makes me so upset I can't say it right. freshwest Aug 2013 #255

We have a crowd with all the decency and warmth of a Vogan payday loan company. TheKentuckian Aug 2013 #64

l think a lot of people need more exposure RudynJack Aug 2013 #66

There is a difference between slipping in conversation - Ms. Toad Aug 2013 #96

I think that is right davidpdx Aug 2013 #112

My BNL, who I refer to above, was a person who made sure we referred to him as a 'he' long before freshwest Aug 2013 #191

I'm sorry... RudynJack Aug 2013 #243

No problemo. BNL = Brother-In-Law; SAS = Sexual Assignment Surgery. freshwest Aug 2013 #248

Thank you. RudynJack Aug 2013 #253

... xchrom Aug 2013 #68

Everyone in this country has the right . . . another_liberal Aug 2013 #69

Soidarity undergroundpanther Aug 2013 #70

I too have no tolerance Harmony Blue Aug 2013 #85

Can you oppose Manning and not be transphobic? davidpdx Aug 2013 #72

I agree. My opinions were formed well before I knew of his gender identity. 7962 Aug 2013 #74

Please either changes your gender pronouns, Ms. Toad Aug 2013 #88

Actually you responded to the wrong post davidpdx Aug 2013 #93

No - follow the links on the right corner of the post. Ms. Toad Aug 2013 #98

Gender, not sex - Ms. Toad Aug 2013 #89

Has nothing to do with that davidpdx Aug 2013 #99

It isn't twisting words - Ms. Toad Aug 2013 #101

I admit I don't know much about it so I'll use Google and learn davidpdx Aug 2013 #104

And that is a valid point. Ms. Toad Aug 2013 #107

I dunno, when one compares hormone treatment to wanting a 50" tv, probably not. Warren Stupidity Aug 2013 #117

Do you think everyone who opposes what Manning did thinks that? davidpdx Aug 2013 #182

no. Nor have I ever said that, so I'm wondering why you are persisting in beating this particular Warren Stupidity Aug 2013 #195

I wasn't beating it, just looking for an answer davidpdx Aug 2013 #222

That's fucked up. You can still go back and alert that. it's TOS. They shouldn't be here. freshwest Aug 2013 #229

That's the result of having... 99Forever Aug 2013 #78

Not only that, I had a post deleted calling out the ugliest bigotry I have ever seen here. The Link Aug 2013 #79

Skinner's House is always hateful during such times and should be avoided by good people Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #91

so true. nt La Lioness Priyanka Aug 2013 #178

First, you must de-humanize "the enemy". nt Romulox Aug 2013 #97

Manning's punishment has nothing to do with being transgender. MjolnirTime Aug 2013 #103

So you don't think he should receive medical care in prison? The Link Aug 2013 #105

He is not sick. If he does get ill, he will be treated. MjolnirTime Aug 2013 #108

First - care for trans* individuals does not necessarily involve surgery. Ms. Toad Aug 2013 #119

Oh, I think he might have been sick. Orsino Aug 2013 #127

No she is not sick but she has a medical condition maddezmom Aug 2013 #128

It's a well-known condition, not a choice. See my reply on thread. Doctors at the trial agreed. freshwest Aug 2013 #235

BYE! alp227 Aug 2013 #183

I'm starting to feel a bit guilty for attracting bigots to the admin bug zapper. Warren Stupidity Aug 2013 #214

My dear Warren, I wish I could absorb your pain away Catherina Aug 2013 #110

Yes indeedy they are, and also have issues with HC for all, and numerous other mytsifying... Safetykitten Aug 2013 #113

A lot of it is about power. It is easy to bully on the internet. Righteous bullying. rhett o rick Aug 2013 #116

Phobic or Intolerant? NashuaDW Aug 2013 #118

In its general usage it also covers bigoted assholes. nt. Warren Stupidity Aug 2013 #171

It's a learning curve that people will be going through. Kablooie Aug 2013 #121

k&R n/t lupinella Aug 2013 #123

Hope for the change I see in post on inmate rape duhneece Aug 2013 #125

Well, untill... bobclark86 Aug 2013 #131

Yep! Shameful isn't it? There's quite a few of them on this board. Little Star Aug 2013 #132

So sorry you had to witness that. City Lights Aug 2013 #133

So many bigoted slugs, and not enough salt... backscatter712 Aug 2013 #134

I've learned more and more that DU is NOT what I used to think it was! DU can be RKP5637 Aug 2013 #136

I understand, I've seen it too loveandlight Aug 2013 #137

Many being 1 out of 10, 1 out of 20, 1 out of 50? snooper2 Aug 2013 #138

What percentage would you find acceptable? The Link Aug 2013 #140

just asking for a definition of "many" snooper2 Aug 2013 #145

Most of them are transignorant. KamaAina Aug 2013 #141

Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2013 #151

Wow blogslut Aug 2013 #154

Genitalia is NOT the same as gender MadrasT Aug 2013 #155

You are ignorant. Educate yourself, please. n/m Morning Dew Aug 2013 #156

Alerted. Why is this bigotry tolerated on DU? n/t backscatter712 Aug 2013 #158

Wrong. A person may have female chromosomes and male genitalia. Identity is not genitals or DNA. Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2013 #160

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Who cares if it is fabricated! You must hate veterans who have fabricated limbs! You have no logic! Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2013 #164

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BOOYAH! Pizza has been served! backscatter712 Aug 2013 #175

Who was it? L0oniX Aug 2013 #197

A low-post-count Beavis & Butthead troll. backscatter712 Aug 2013 #207

Consider that phobia Newest Reality Aug 2013 #152

This country needs to grow up felix_numinous Aug 2013 #168

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Gender is defined by the brain. NuclearDem Aug 2013 #173

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K&R. Call Me Wesley Aug 2013 #186

I must admit, I'm ignorant when it comes to transgender. DrewFlorida Aug 2013 #187

It seems like Tien1985 Aug 2013 #205

Gender is determined in the brain, not between the legs. n/t backscatter712 Aug 2013 #208

Some People Just Lack Any Kind Of Empathy For Anyone. colsohlibgal Aug 2013 #188

That's the definition of a sociopath. n/t totodeinhere Aug 2013 #217

Thank you for your heartfelt OP grantcart Aug 2013 #198

People fear what they don't understand tavalon Aug 2013 #212

Honestly, its not something I think about easily bhikkhu Aug 2013 #220

I'm sorry you've had to experience this sort of bigotry thucythucy Aug 2013 #223

Here's a nice historical explainer... eggplant Aug 2013 #257