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Summer Hathaway

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281. The OP wasn't about the stupidity of some attitudes

Sun Aug 25, 2013, 02:21 AM

Aug 2013

it was about the OP patrolling the halls of DU H.S., looking for the miscreants who dared use a particular pronoun after her self-proclaimed deadline for complying with her rules.

"It's not a shock to me that some people are so caught up in their perfect world views that they can't see that they are being insensitive if not down right hateful ..."

Are you even tasting the irony there - because I'm savoring it.

"I realize that it's hard for some people to separate gender from sex and sexual identity ...

Yes, it is hard for some people. There are a lot of things in this world that really good, decent people need time to absorb, digest, adapt to. And adopting certain language is part of that process. Some people will come around, some won't; that's up to them. And there is no deadline to be met - especially a deadline imposed by a self-righteous hall monitor who couldn't WAIT to find posters using the "incorrect pronoun" so that she could pounce - with all due in indignation - on those who had the audacity to be late to her mandatory attendance in political correctness class.

" ... but when someone tells me that the gender pronouns I'm using to describe them are wrong, it's no big deal to adapt."

Well, good for you. And there are people who are slower to adapt, and people who choose not to adapt, and calling them homophobes and transphobes doesn't really move the process forward to anyone's benefit, now does it?

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What is with so many of you referring to Manning with male pronouns [View all] La Lioness Priyanka Aug 2013 OP

Uh, she was a he 36 hours ago. Give me a day or two to adapt. Comrade Grumpy Aug 2013 #1

it takes you so much time to type up she more than he? La Lioness Priyanka Aug 2013 #2

That means you were calling her a he when he was a she then BeyondGeography Aug 2013 #11

when i learnt her preferred pronoun i adapted. you shouldn't mock someone's transition La Lioness Priyanka Aug 2013 #22

Your thread is what's ridiculous BeyondGeography Aug 2013 #28

i am sure you are not the only person defending transphobia La Lioness Priyanka Aug 2013 #32

You're using Manning as a prop to demonstrate your self-assumed moral superiority BeyondGeography Aug 2013 #39

its not my moral superiority, its my actual behavior. nt La Lioness Priyanka Aug 2013 #44

Lighten up, Francis tom_kelly Aug 2013 #125

Wouldn't that be Francine? Flatulo Aug 2013 #130

No dipsydoodle Aug 2013 #209

Absolutely ridiculous skydive forever Aug 2013 #95

Oh bother. Here we go again, tutoring people who are ignorant about gender disphoria: Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2013 #104

You're wrong. Iggo Aug 2013 #106

But science is NOT on your side. defacto7 Aug 2013 #180

+infinity (nt) LostOne4Ever Aug 2013 #259

So brain science is unknown to you. Starry Messenger Aug 2013 #213

Science didn't make you closed minded, you chose that status. MNBrewer Aug 2013 #261

Heck, for many of us, this is the first we've heard that s/he requested the feminine 1monster Aug 2013 #144

Yep libodem Aug 2013 #177

i clarified this through the thread, that i am referring to people who are deliberately calling her La Lioness Priyanka Aug 2013 #184

I'm one of those who didn't know this had been requested. ladyVet Aug 2013 #203

Your post has no logic. We change our reference to a person's preferred sexual identity ... Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2013 #97

Actually, I don't think I've used either pronoun in recent days... Comrade Grumpy Aug 2013 #20

manning isn't my burning issue either. however transphobia is part of a bigger set La Lioness Priyanka Aug 2013 #47

Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2013 #133

la lion, i think some of this does come by honestly elehhhhna Aug 2013 #143

I admit that I've made the "he" error, even in a post supporting her. MNBrewer Aug 2013 #194

people make mistakes and forget. i am not saying there is malice there La Lioness Priyanka Aug 2013 #196

Agreed, and I think some malice is clearly evident in some protestations MNBrewer Aug 2013 #198

exactly La Lioness Priyanka Aug 2013 #200

that is correct. Whisp Aug 2013 #45

i am specifically talking about people who are discussing her transition and calling her male La Lioness Priyanka Aug 2013 #49

You should put that in the OP East Coast Pirate Aug 2013 #72

This is the new TransphobiaUnderground DontTreadOnMe Aug 2013 #99

I would probably be doing the same thing, except... Lizzie Poppet Aug 2013 #114

You can have a day or two in face to face conversations about her. Ms. Toad Aug 2013 #88

So simply *proofread* your post to make sure you haven't accidentally tblue37 Aug 2013 #145

I'm not sure that you're example works very well... Bay Boy Aug 2013 #3

Actually my example works well because aesthetically Warren presents as White La Lioness Priyanka Aug 2013 #4

You might want to rethink your wording there. whopis01 Aug 2013 #229

Not every trans identified person takes hormones or goes through gender reassignment surgery. n/t JackBeck Aug 2013 #6

exactly. none of this is cheap, easily available or necessarily fits ones notion La Lioness Priyanka Aug 2013 #29

What about our President? backscatter712 Aug 2013 #51

I'm not going to call him either rl6214 Aug 2013 #191

Some are honestly not sure what to say, and some are willfully ignoring it. Puzzledtraveller Aug 2013 #5

my point is that why does one feel one has the right to question her choice of pronouns La Lioness Priyanka Aug 2013 #9

People do have a right to say whatever they want and question whatever they want. Puzzledtraveller Aug 2013 #17

Please excuse the ignorance of the frankly ignorant. lapislzi Aug 2013 #127

I really appreciate your attitude! defacto7 Aug 2013 #181

Like those who are saying that since she still has male anatomy JackBeck Aug 2013 #10

Yeah, that's a good example. Puzzledtraveller Aug 2013 #19

I took a peek at Free Republic... that's the typical response from those ignoramuses. tarheelsunc Aug 2013 #86

"... since she still has male anatomy ... Those are some of the worst offenders ..." ? panzerfaust Aug 2013 #308

What the OP is referring to, I am quite certain, is NOT innocent slips tblue37 Aug 2013 #166

yeah i am not talking about people who didnt know or have forgotten La Lioness Priyanka Aug 2013 #186

For Heaven's sake leftynyc Aug 2013 #7

it is malicious to not respect someones preferred gender pronoun La Lioness Priyanka Aug 2013 #15

Knock yourself out leftynyc Aug 2013 #21

got in the habit of calling Manning a He, takes a little bit to remember that Manning GalaxyHunter Aug 2013 #8

yes, i can. i do it. it's not that hard. La Lioness Priyanka Aug 2013 #12

well, sorry that everyone here is not as perfect as you. GalaxyHunter Aug 2013 #14

i am not perfect. i am just not La Lioness Priyanka Aug 2013 #16

The second I read the announcement I switched. CBGLuthier Aug 2013 #37

no, but after calling someone a HE for so long I still see HER as a HIM. GalaxyHunter Aug 2013 #118

FYI - Here's what a jury said about your post. Divernan Aug 2013 #123

I agree people should honor her request . . . markpkessinger Aug 2013 #13

to be fair ALL the conversations that i am talking about are in the context of her transition La Lioness Priyanka Aug 2013 #18

In that case, I agree with you 100% n/t markpkessinger Aug 2013 #66

Please see my post #166 above. nt tblue37 Aug 2013 #167

I think some members (that this is directed at) will start caring about that Capt. Obvious Aug 2013 #23

LOL.. true La Lioness Priyanka Aug 2013 #26

Yeah, that is weird, never expected to see such issue made of that here. Puzzledtraveller Aug 2013 #27

Prisons have the duty to provide prisoners with proper medical care. backscatter712 Aug 2013 #62

Nothing I have seen attributed to her Ms. Toad Aug 2013 #260

yes, sir! unblock Aug 2013 #24

... bunnies Aug 2013 #78

hear, hear! Little Star Aug 2013 #25

Where it gets confusing is referring to past activities where geek tragedy Aug 2013 #30

the timeline thing i get and i was not questioning that. La Lioness Priyanka Aug 2013 #42

It gets to be a juggling act. geek tragedy Aug 2013 #48

i would she consistently, but at the very least use it when referring to her transitioning La Lioness Priyanka Aug 2013 #55

Agreed, but I would not attribute to malice what mere force of habit could explain. geek tragedy Aug 2013 #61

"It just comes out" Ms. Toad Aug 2013 #263

Actually, it is not difficult. I would simply write, tblue37 Aug 2013 #169

Of course it is simple if one is conscious of the language one uses. geek tragedy Aug 2013 #173

That juggling act is the least bad solution. Jim Lane Aug 2013 #211

it's also possibly to just call her manning in the instances that would otherwise be confusing La Lioness Priyanka Aug 2013 #235

To some extent, one can dodge the issue that way, but it isn't always the best answer. Jim Lane Aug 2013 #242

I totally get what you're saying, and it's irritating to me as well. NuclearDem Aug 2013 #31

Some of them are ignorant and some of them are assholes CBGLuthier Aug 2013 #33

actually this is maybe the best explanation on this thread. La Lioness Priyanka Aug 2013 #41

Please see my post #166 above. nt tblue37 Aug 2013 #170

The ignorant are trying to learn. lapislzi Aug 2013 #147

I agree with Grumpy olddots Aug 2013 #34

"How is that you feel ok to deny someone the right to use the pronoun they feel fits them the best?" R. Daneel Olivaw Aug 2013 #35

I can honestly understand the pronoun mix up due to the time frame, Emit Aug 2013 #36

i think people who are talking about her transition and keep referring to her as male La Lioness Priyanka Aug 2013 #38

We're possibly distracted by her being held as a political prisoner in Leavenworth... Orsino Aug 2013 #40

sheesh, people do have freedom of speech, ya know quinnox Aug 2013 #43

i am not the government so first amendment rights are not my problem. La Lioness Priyanka Aug 2013 #52

So true. wild bird Aug 2013 #58

would you feel the same if someone exercised their 1A right to use a racial slur? frylock Aug 2013 #75

depends on the circumstance quinnox Aug 2013 #81

The same DU rules apply to trans* individuals. Ms. Toad Aug 2013 #266

Everyone has the right to make a fool/bigot of themselves. Doesn't mean they should. eom tarheelsunc Aug 2013 #89

The OP is not trying to "force" people to use the appropriate pronoun. She is tblue37 Aug 2013 #172

Sheesh, that kind of 'business' has a proper definition - transphobia. Or bigotry. Or both. idwiyo Aug 2013 #253

"Can" =/= "should." And "freedom of speech" is very relative on most Internet message boards. n/t nomorenomore08 Aug 2013 #282

Thank you, La Lioness Priyanka. Ignorance used to be an excuse. No longer. backscatter712 Aug 2013 #46

You think everyone already knows about her request? Lots of people only pnwmom Aug 2013 #103

It was appearing in the international news section of most papers here... Violet_Crumble Aug 2013 #285

Post removed Post removed Aug 2013 #50

and you're exactly the type of person i am talking about. nt La Lioness Priyanka Aug 2013 #53

That person has disrupted poorly stevenleser Aug 2013 #56

Looks like Skinner took care of it. DURHAM D Aug 2013 #68

We've "lost" about a dozen homophobes this morning alone. NYC_SKP Aug 2013 #69

with all due respect azurnoir Aug 2013 #192

Great, I was hoping for another slice of pizza today. NuclearDem Aug 2013 #60

I think it is only fair... ljm2002 Aug 2013 #54

Time's up. backscatter712 Aug 2013 #59

This message was self-deleted by its author LumosMaxima Aug 2013 #57

Reflexive pronoun use, I figure Scootaloo Aug 2013 #63

i think though if this was speech i would believe the reflexive use more easily La Lioness Priyanka Aug 2013 #64

True enough Scootaloo Aug 2013 #70

The ones who we really need to watch out for LostOne4Ever Aug 2013 #265

I'll just call Bradley/Chelsea "Manning" LittleBlue Aug 2013 #65

why should it be in the lgbt forum? are they the ones referring to manning by male pronouns? La Lioness Priyanka Aug 2013 #67

Because it makes some uncomfortable!! Capt. Obvious Aug 2013 #73

She asked to be called Chelsea. Why is that hard? n/t backscatter712 Aug 2013 #79

No, because it's not a problem in the LGBT forum. Iggo Aug 2013 #222

Republicans declare themselves to be the moral authority railsback Aug 2013 #71

No she's not. NuclearDem Aug 2013 #74

Logic fails you. Neither Limbaugh nor you have the right to declare Chelsea's sexual identity. Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2013 #76

Wish I'd written that. bunnies Aug 2013 #90

Only one person is the moral authority on who Manning is gollygee Aug 2013 #80

this. nt La Lioness Priyanka Aug 2013 #91

It is simply a matter of respecting her wishes. Rex Aug 2013 #129

It is also a matter of respecting her as a human being. How can that be so hard for tblue37 Aug 2013 #176

Spot on! Rex Aug 2013 #204

The issue of rights and respect for transgendered people is an extremely important one. totodeinhere Aug 2013 #77

It's bigotry in 99% of the cases. Oh, they pretend to be confused cali Aug 2013 #82

yep. bunnies Aug 2013 #101

That's ridiculous. It has nothing to do with trauma. It has to do with habits. OrwellwasRight Aug 2013 #165

Actually... bunnies Aug 2013 #168

Enjoy your moral superiority. OrwellwasRight Aug 2013 #171

Yeah. I never make mistakes. Thats what I said. bunnies Aug 2013 #175

Well, you've never said, waitress, actress, or coughed in your hands. OrwellwasRight Aug 2013 #199

I smoked for over 20 years. bunnies Aug 2013 #201

Well in post 101 you mocked everyone OrwellwasRight Aug 2013 #205

It wasnt meant to come off that way. bunnies Aug 2013 #206

Truce then. OrwellwasRight Aug 2013 #297

Me too. bunnies Aug 2013 #300

Some of it may be habit. ZombieHorde Aug 2013 #83

Do you want explanations... demwing Aug 2013 #84

i want people to acknowledge her gender correctly La Lioness Priyanka Aug 2013 #96

well, it took Chelsea about 25 years demwing Aug 2013 #121

we dont have to struggle with this, she did. its not even close to the same thing La Lioness Priyanka Aug 2013 #139

So I was right after all demwing Aug 2013 #149

how are people who are deliberately using incorrect pronouns an issue of my lacking humility? La Lioness Priyanka Aug 2013 #150

Who appointed you their judge? demwing Aug 2013 #160

am i judging them to some sort of jail time? you're being absurd La Lioness Priyanka Aug 2013 #162

Arrogance was your word, not mine demwing Aug 2013 #174

Since when is it ok to call Isoldeblue Aug 2013 #85

You seem new here. zeemike Aug 2013 #117

I completely respect that Chelsea wants to Isoldeblue Aug 2013 #137

I guess you missed this: bunnies Aug 2013 #148

Yes I did but looked it up. zeemike Aug 2013 #156

Was she forced into this too? bunnies Aug 2013 #159

How would I know that? zeemike Aug 2013 #179

transvesite? bunnies Aug 2013 #182

Sorry but I did not know it was now a forbidden word. zeemike Aug 2013 #195

+1 tallahasseedem Aug 2013 #315

Since all day every day. Iggo Aug 2013 #223

What's your point? That we all can do away with all Isoldeblue Aug 2013 #225

Read what I posted again. Iggo Aug 2013 #226

I did. Chances for what? Calling people names? Isoldeblue Aug 2013 #228

With a jury. You take your chances with a jury. Iggo Aug 2013 #230

Thanks for explaining Isoldeblue Aug 2013 #231

3-3 doesn't hide posts - those posts stay. n/t Ms. Toad Aug 2013 #269

You're right... Isoldeblue Aug 2013 #318

Speaking of cryptic... Jamastiene Aug 2013 #311

Couldn't have been all that cryptic.... Isoldeblue Aug 2013 #317

Manning technically *is* male, TBH..... AverageJoe90 Aug 2013 #87

If by "technically" you mean whopis01 Aug 2013 #239

This is a very recent development MynameisBlarney Aug 2013 #92

Sorry. i don't remember names either. JDPriestly Aug 2013 #93

It varies from state to state. Ms. Toad Aug 2013 #270

Thanks for the great reply. JDPriestly Aug 2013 #321

Post removed Post removed Aug 2013 #94

Now see what you've done? NYC_SKP Aug 2013 #116

For some, it's transphobia. For others, it's sheer spite. Sheldon Cooper Aug 2013 #98

actually no one has mentioned spite and i think you might be right La Lioness Priyanka Aug 2013 #100

Not everyone keeps up with DU on a daily basis. It would have been easy pnwmom Aug 2013 #102

i have said this a few times during this thread but the people who are reffering to her La Lioness Priyanka Aug 2013 #107

Oh, okay. Thanks for clarifying. n/t pnwmom Aug 2013 #110

Perhaps "he/she" would be more appropriate? cbdo2007 Aug 2013 #105

no it would not. nt La Lioness Priyanka Aug 2013 #108

Hi, it sounds Tien1985 Aug 2013 #202

Call a trans person a he/she? Perhaps not. Iggo Aug 2013 #244

Bradley Manning is a male... NaturalHigh Aug 2013 #109

Good luck with that. NYC_SKP Aug 2013 #111

What the hell is your problem? bunnies Aug 2013 #115

Maybe you should keep your comments to yourself then because you are being maddezmom Aug 2013 #119

do you normally ask to see people's dicks or vaginas to decide what gender to refer to them as? La Lioness Priyanka Aug 2013 #120

^^^ This. Iggo Aug 2013 #245

So if a man loses his penis in an accident, does he become a woman? Gormy Cuss Aug 2013 #161

So we won't miss you when your failure to follow rules about bigotry here gets you gone. Starry Messenger Aug 2013 #215

I guess asking for a little LostOne4Ever Aug 2013 #268

Exactly. Jamastiene Aug 2013 #312

Why are some of you so damn stubborn about this? Why do you *care* so much? nomorenomore08 Aug 2013 #283

i'm getting a Popsicle headache... n/t Bully Taw Aug 2013 #112

And "poof", you're gone. NYC_SKP Aug 2013 #113

I think your poofer is poofed / nt demwing Aug 2013 #178

Couple of thoughts Hayabusa Aug 2013 #122

How about a neutral word such as IT? donco Aug 2013 #124

it is not neutral. i think you know that. i think everyone knows that, even small children. nt La Lioness Priyanka Aug 2013 #126

Chelsea Manning is not gender neutral gollygee Aug 2013 #146

No. bunnies Aug 2013 #151

Yeah, fuck that and anyone who advocates for it. (nt) Posteritatis Aug 2013 #183

You gotta be kidding me! Iggo Aug 2013 #234

I can't believe I've now seen two long-time DUers say that. Union Scribe Aug 2013 #238

Just keeping donco Aug 2013 #246

Illuminating. Iggo Aug 2013 #256

Yeah, it's all just a big fucking laugh for some folks. nomorenomore08 Aug 2013 #284

Post removed Post removed Aug 2013 #293

Would you like to be referred to as "it?" Jamastiene Aug 2013 #313

Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2013 #128

Nonsense, once again it is a matter of respecting her wishes. Rex Aug 2013 #132

Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2013 #135

So that would be a NO, thanks. Rex Aug 2013 #136

Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2013 #138

So that would be a NO, again thanks! Rex Aug 2013 #141

I might ? be guilty of still referring to her as him but I swear, it's done out of .... BlueJazz Aug 2013 #131

All this reminds me on "The Jerk". earthside Aug 2013 #134

Perhaps because Manning is a male? George II Aug 2013 #140

Manning is female FreeState Aug 2013 #154

do you need to see whats between this womans legs to call her female? bunnies Aug 2013 #157

Post removed Post removed Aug 2013 #142

People can be so dumb. bravenak Aug 2013 #152

And quite proud of it too, apparently... nomorenomore08 Aug 2013 #286

Habit. crim son Aug 2013 #153

ok. this i buy. that people forget she transitioned. however i am specifically talking about people La Lioness Priyanka Aug 2013 #155

Okay, and I didn't realize that. crim son Aug 2013 #233

Manning has a Y Chromosome perdita9 Aug 2013 #158

But it is not an order, just asking to respect her wishes Rex Aug 2013 #163

But you can order around someone you don't even know FreeState Aug 2013 #164

By your logic nobody has ever "officially made the switch." That's ... convenient for you. (nt) Posteritatis Aug 2013 #185

Your post seems self contradictory whopis01 Aug 2013 #240

No it does not LostOne4Ever Aug 2013 #271

You have a very good point... defacto7 Aug 2013 #187

i think what has me most bothered, is that the people who are referring to her as him La Lioness Priyanka Aug 2013 #189

Huh? I thought Bradley Manning was a man? Did something change that I missed?? madinmaryland Aug 2013 #188

yes, it did. which if you did not know honestly i was not chastising you. La Lioness Priyanka Aug 2013 #190

I don't know much if anything about his (now her) personal life and would rather keep madinmaryland Aug 2013 #193

its not their personal life if they have asked to be called chelsea and to be referred to as female La Lioness Priyanka Aug 2013 #197

Please understand that I do not believe it is a personal lifestyle choice. It is what it is and Pvt madinmaryland Aug 2013 #219

You might want to check your last two posts for gender pronouns... n/t Ms. Toad Aug 2013 #273

Sigh. nt madinmaryland Aug 2013 #274

Do you have any clue what it feels like Ms. Toad Aug 2013 #275

... madinmaryland Aug 2013 #277

I am not a trans* person, Ms. Toad Aug 2013 #292

+1 La Lioness Priyanka Aug 2013 #304

I personally haven't mentioned Manning in months Trajan Aug 2013 #207

and i love your passive aggressive way of defending bigots. that's what du needs more of La Lioness Priyanka Aug 2013 #208

Some people are simply addicted to their own rage Trajan Aug 2013 #227

yeah and some people project their problems onto others. La Lioness Priyanka Aug 2013 #232

And some people think they know more about gender issues than, y'know, an actual transgender person. nomorenomore08 Aug 2013 #287

i just heard about it.. maybe some folks didn't know until just now (i hope) dionysus Aug 2013 #210

Habit? I don't know ... I'm only guessing Raine Aug 2013 #212

Considering I spend nearly a third of my time in the Sports Forum, the name Manning brings madinmaryland Aug 2013 #217

For some maybe, but this thread shows others are clearly behaving like bigots. Marrah_G Aug 2013 #221

Post removed Post removed Aug 2013 #214

Time An_enlightened_soul Aug 2013 #216

Time, certainly. I have had several friends over the years who have changed their names. enough Aug 2013 #224

I'm sure they'll invoke Rick Warren at some point burnodo Aug 2013 #218

Those of you in this thread that are insisting Chelsea is a man: Marrah_G Aug 2013 #220

+1 nomorenomore08 Aug 2013 #288

Post removed Post removed Aug 2013 #236

Priyanka, thanks for taking the lead on this donheld Aug 2013 #237

My theory is that much of it is Manning specific... Synthesize Aug 2013 #241

I get it that some people disagreed with her leaking of documents. And some considered totodeinhere Aug 2013 #243

The leaking of those documents, Summer Hathaway Aug 2013 #247

and my asking people to respect her gender has nothing to do with whether La Lioness Priyanka Aug 2013 #248

And my response wasn't to what you said Summer Hathaway Aug 2013 #250

My point stands. No matter what your reasons for opposing her releasing of the documents, don't totodeinhere Aug 2013 #254

And I have a question for you ... Summer Hathaway Aug 2013 #249

Pri certainly got under some people's skins. Gormy Cuss Aug 2013 #252

"that sort of remark is just stunning and yes, really insensitive." Summer Hathaway Aug 2013 #258

You defended that sort of remark by calling Pri an authoritarian. Gormy Cuss Aug 2013 #262

The OP wasn't about the stupidity of some attitudes Summer Hathaway Aug 2013 #281

People who choose not to adapt deserve to be called homophobes or transphobes. Gormy Cuss Aug 2013 #290

If you honestly believe Summer Hathaway Aug 2013 #309

I honestly believe we are enabling suppressing rights for the transgendered Gormy Cuss Aug 2013 #314

The issue I have with the OP Summer Hathaway Aug 2013 #316

*I* accidentally used the pronoun he/him to refer to Manning and guess what... CreekDog Aug 2013 #320

So because you didn't get attacked Summer Hathaway Aug 2013 #322

I may owe you an apologist, can you give me an example of someone accidentally mixing the pronouns CreekDog Aug 2013 #327

Oh ffs Summer Hathaway Aug 2013 #328

This message was self-deleted by its author CreekDog Aug 2013 #326

This message was self-deleted by its author CreekDog Aug 2013 #319

Huh? Gormy Cuss Aug 2013 #323

oh that was for "Summer", crap! CreekDog Aug 2013 #324

LOL. this whole rant is just laughable. nt La Lioness Priyanka Aug 2013 #257

This isn't about people needing time to change "habits" Union Scribe Aug 2013 #264

What it's really about Summer Hathaway Aug 2013 #272

"Please proceed to lock-step behind your leader." NealK Aug 2013 #278

I know, right? nt Union Scribe Aug 2013 #298

are you as surprised as i am to be called your leader? La Lioness Priyanka Aug 2013 #299

well what's your excuse for not knowing? were you out of the country or something? CreekDog Aug 2013 #325

I don't know Manning personally The American Sickle Aug 2013 #251

Excellent thread...for what it says and what it has exposed. The Link Aug 2013 #255

Well.... LuvLoogie Aug 2013 #267

HAHAHA that's so clever and witty! nomorenomore08 Aug 2013 #289

Holly came from Miami FLA... LuvLoogie Aug 2013 #295

You just keep on digging that hole. Go ahead. nomorenomore08 Aug 2013 #305

There's a lot of people who need to look up the definition of the word Phobia. Mr.Bill Aug 2013 #276

both transphobia and homophobia are misnomers when taken literally La Lioness Priyanka Aug 2013 #301

That doesn't make it right. Mr.Bill Aug 2013 #306

no, it really doesn't. words often end up having slight differences from their root words La Lioness Priyanka Aug 2013 #310

Combination of ignorance and homophobia methinks ConcernedCanuk Aug 2013 #279

yikes! the pronoun police Pretzel_Warrior Aug 2013 #280

Please don't trivialize something Ms. Toad Aug 2013 #294

A dictatorship encroaches, and THIS is the controversy? DerekG Aug 2013 #291

hyperbole vs actual problems La Lioness Priyanka Aug 2013 #302

Mostly it's because conservatives are intolerant bigots and/or find it difficult to accept change. Zorra Aug 2013 #296

i dont think thats accurate. i think transphobia & transmisogyny La Lioness Priyanka Aug 2013 #303

I was using the dictionary definition ~ Zorra Aug 2013 #307