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In reply to the discussion: ''Is it just me, or is secret blanket surveillance obscenely outrageous?'' [View all]Octafish
(55,745 posts)42. Nothing like missing the point.
Last edited Sun Aug 25, 2013, 09:17 AM - Edit history (1)
Good job!
How the NSA spied on Americans before the Internet
By Caitlin Dewey
Washington Post, August 23
EXCERPT...
Spying on Americans
The problem then, however, was much the same as the problem today: The logged calls and telegrams often involved U.S. citizens. A 1975 investigation into Nixon-era intelligence practices, organized under the so-called the Church Committee, found that the NSA had eavesdropped on 1,200 Americans between 1967 and 1973, often because of their political activities. In the early 60s, the agency monitored every telephone call between the U.S. and Cuba before moving on to spy on civil rights activists, anti-war demonstrators and celebrities. Under SHAMROCK, NSA analysts logged and read millions of telegrams sent to and from Americans, including an estimated 150,000 telegrams per month in the last three years of the program.
NSA officials told (the House Intelligence Committee) in closed session that at present NSA is not eavesdropping on domestic or overseas telephone calls placed by (Americans), reads a brief about the Church hearings in the New York Times. It continues:
Many (committee) members still have doubts that NSA is not intruding on telephone calls placed in US by Amer citizens.
As a result of the Church hearings, Congress passed a number of reforms that tried to narrow the use of wiretaps to cases where critical national security information was at stake. But Congress struggled to address another issue identified in the hearings: The NSAs technology was quickly becoming so advanced, and so secretive, that the government didnt know how to legislate it. In the words of the Church committee in 1976:
The watch list activities and the sophisticated capabilities that they highlight present some of the most crucial privacy issues facing this nation. Space-age technology has outpaced the law.
That problem, as weve learned recently, never really went away. For one thing, oversight didnt exactly improve: A 1990 series in The Post delved into the agencys regulation and found that fewer than 10 congressmen even had the clearance to see everything the agency was doing and what it produced, let alone to exercise any oversight. Former representative Robert L. Barr Jr. (R-Ga.) told The Posts Vernon Loeb in 1999 that Congress had not asked the NSA a single hard question about electronic surveillance in the preceding 24 years.
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2013/08/23/how-the-nsa-spied-on-americans-before-the-internet/
ETA: article.
FYI: When it isn't "We the People" running the government we have a problem. Police States spy on the citizens, giving them an edge with perceived enemies, almost certainly with particular elected representatives. Democracies are aware of what the government does in the name of the People.
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''Is it just me, or is secret blanket surveillance obscenely outrageous?'' [View all]
Octafish
Aug 2013
OP
If Rehnquist and Scalia hadn't fixed the Florida problem there wouldn't have been any war on terra.
Octafish
Aug 2013
#4
Yep. They literally changed the course of history, and got away with it. Just like they did with
silvershadow
Aug 2013
#21
And former President Carter: "America has no functioning democracy."
woo me with science
Aug 2013
#36
Couldn't be more like 1984 if they appointed Gen Clapper to investigate himself.
Octafish
Aug 2013
#24
What's outrageous is a government that demands full disclosure from it's citizens,...
Spitfire of ATJ
Aug 2013
#27
Any politician that doesn't see that is too isolated in the DC bubble....
Spitfire of ATJ
Aug 2013
#31
He might not "have invented the internet," but he certainly understands it well enough! :)
Pholus
Aug 2013
#29
Al Gore Tears Into NSA Defenders: 'We Don’t Do Dial Groups On The Bill Of Rights'
Octafish
Aug 2013
#35
****DEAR MR GORE, The blanket surveillance by the gov isn't all secret and never has been****
uponit7771
Aug 2013
#40
Nothing like spewing more libertarian sophistry surveillance doesnt mean spying..two difference word
uponit7771
Aug 2013
#45
NOT a minor talking point a HUGE difference...surveillance is not spying. Boston would
uponit7771
Aug 2013
#49
cultists only like him when they can blame Nader: what Gore actually does and says is beyond them
MisterP
Aug 2013
#41
In part I blame the sheep who were/are willing to stand in airport lines while getting free feel-ups
AnotherMcIntosh
Aug 2013
#55