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In reply to the discussion: ''Is it just me, or is secret blanket surveillance obscenely outrageous?'' [View all]Octafish
(55,745 posts)44. An Open Letter to My Former NSA Colleagues
Mathematicians, why are you not speaking out?
By Charles Seife
Slate.com Aug. 22, 2013
Most people don't know the history of Von Neumann Hall, the nearly windowless building hidden behind the engineering quadrangle at Princeton. I found out my junior year, when, as a bright-eyed young math major, I was recruited to work at the National Security Agency.
Von Neumann Hall was the former site of the Institute for Defense Analyses, a math-heavy research organization that did work for an agency that, at that time, dared not speak its name. The close ties between Princeton and the NSA went back decades, I discovered, and some of the professors I had been learning from were part of a secret brotherhood of number jocks who worked on really tough math problems for the sake of national security. I was proud to join the fraternityone that was far bigger than I had ever imagined. According to NSA expert James Bamford, the agency is the single largest employer of mathematicians on the planet. It's a good bet that any high-quality math department of a reasonable size has a faculty member who's done work for the NSA.
I worked for the NSA in 1992 and 1993 under the auspices of the Director's Summer Program, which snaffles up hot young undergraduate math majors around the country each year. After clearing a security checkwhich included not just a polygraph exam but also a couple of FBI agents snooping around campus to see what mischief I had been up toI wound up at Fort Meade, Md., for indoctrination.
It was more than 20 years ago that I received my first security briefing, and a lot of what I learned is now outdated. Back then, few had heard of what was nicknamed "No Such Agency," and the government wanted to keep it that way. We were taught not to breathe a word about the NSA; if anyone asked, we worked for the Department of Defense. That's even what it said on my resume and one of my NSA-issued ID cards. Now there's little point to such pretense. The agency has been outed and is a regular fixture of Page 1 headlines. In 1992, I was taught that the code words we stamped on all our classified documents were a closely guarded secret, that it was a crime to reveal them to outsiders. But a quick Google search shows that government websites are chock-full of papers clearly marked with words and phrases that were at one time for the eyes of only those few with the need to know.
Another thing they used to say at those briefings was that the might of the NSA would never be used against U.S. citizens. Back when I signed up, the agency made it crystal clear to us that we were empowered to protect our nation against only foreign enemies, not domestic ones. To do otherwise was against the NSA charter. More importantly, I got the strong sense that it was against the culture of the place. After working there for two summers, I genuinely believed that my colleagues would be horrified if they thought our work was being used to snoop on fellow Americans. Has that changed, too?
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http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2013/08/nsa_domestic_spying_mathematicians_should_speak_out.html
There are a lot of people who want to return America to a democracy, including Mr. Gore and Mr. Seife. Thanks for being one, Th1onein.
By Charles Seife
Slate.com Aug. 22, 2013
Most people don't know the history of Von Neumann Hall, the nearly windowless building hidden behind the engineering quadrangle at Princeton. I found out my junior year, when, as a bright-eyed young math major, I was recruited to work at the National Security Agency.
Von Neumann Hall was the former site of the Institute for Defense Analyses, a math-heavy research organization that did work for an agency that, at that time, dared not speak its name. The close ties between Princeton and the NSA went back decades, I discovered, and some of the professors I had been learning from were part of a secret brotherhood of number jocks who worked on really tough math problems for the sake of national security. I was proud to join the fraternityone that was far bigger than I had ever imagined. According to NSA expert James Bamford, the agency is the single largest employer of mathematicians on the planet. It's a good bet that any high-quality math department of a reasonable size has a faculty member who's done work for the NSA.
I worked for the NSA in 1992 and 1993 under the auspices of the Director's Summer Program, which snaffles up hot young undergraduate math majors around the country each year. After clearing a security checkwhich included not just a polygraph exam but also a couple of FBI agents snooping around campus to see what mischief I had been up toI wound up at Fort Meade, Md., for indoctrination.
It was more than 20 years ago that I received my first security briefing, and a lot of what I learned is now outdated. Back then, few had heard of what was nicknamed "No Such Agency," and the government wanted to keep it that way. We were taught not to breathe a word about the NSA; if anyone asked, we worked for the Department of Defense. That's even what it said on my resume and one of my NSA-issued ID cards. Now there's little point to such pretense. The agency has been outed and is a regular fixture of Page 1 headlines. In 1992, I was taught that the code words we stamped on all our classified documents were a closely guarded secret, that it was a crime to reveal them to outsiders. But a quick Google search shows that government websites are chock-full of papers clearly marked with words and phrases that were at one time for the eyes of only those few with the need to know.
Another thing they used to say at those briefings was that the might of the NSA would never be used against U.S. citizens. Back when I signed up, the agency made it crystal clear to us that we were empowered to protect our nation against only foreign enemies, not domestic ones. To do otherwise was against the NSA charter. More importantly, I got the strong sense that it was against the culture of the place. After working there for two summers, I genuinely believed that my colleagues would be horrified if they thought our work was being used to snoop on fellow Americans. Has that changed, too?
CONTINUED...
http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2013/08/nsa_domestic_spying_mathematicians_should_speak_out.html
There are a lot of people who want to return America to a democracy, including Mr. Gore and Mr. Seife. Thanks for being one, Th1onein.
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''Is it just me, or is secret blanket surveillance obscenely outrageous?'' [View all]
Octafish
Aug 2013
OP
If Rehnquist and Scalia hadn't fixed the Florida problem there wouldn't have been any war on terra.
Octafish
Aug 2013
#4
Yep. They literally changed the course of history, and got away with it. Just like they did with
silvershadow
Aug 2013
#21
And former President Carter: "America has no functioning democracy."
woo me with science
Aug 2013
#36
Couldn't be more like 1984 if they appointed Gen Clapper to investigate himself.
Octafish
Aug 2013
#24
What's outrageous is a government that demands full disclosure from it's citizens,...
Spitfire of ATJ
Aug 2013
#27
Any politician that doesn't see that is too isolated in the DC bubble....
Spitfire of ATJ
Aug 2013
#31
He might not "have invented the internet," but he certainly understands it well enough! :)
Pholus
Aug 2013
#29
Al Gore Tears Into NSA Defenders: 'We Don’t Do Dial Groups On The Bill Of Rights'
Octafish
Aug 2013
#35
****DEAR MR GORE, The blanket surveillance by the gov isn't all secret and never has been****
uponit7771
Aug 2013
#40
Nothing like spewing more libertarian sophistry surveillance doesnt mean spying..two difference word
uponit7771
Aug 2013
#45
NOT a minor talking point a HUGE difference...surveillance is not spying. Boston would
uponit7771
Aug 2013
#49
cultists only like him when they can blame Nader: what Gore actually does and says is beyond them
MisterP
Aug 2013
#41
In part I blame the sheep who were/are willing to stand in airport lines while getting free feel-ups
AnotherMcIntosh
Aug 2013
#55