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Octafish

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44. An Open Letter to My Former NSA Colleagues
Sun Aug 25, 2013, 10:05 AM
Aug 2013
Mathematicians, why are you not speaking out?

By Charles Seife
Slate.com Aug. 22, 2013

Most people don't know the history of Von Neumann Hall, the nearly windowless building hidden behind the engineering quadrangle at Princeton. I found out my junior year, when, as a bright-eyed young math major, I was recruited to work at the National Security Agency.

Von Neumann Hall was the former site of the Institute for Defense Analyses, a math-heavy research organization that did work for an agency that, at that time, dared not speak its name. The close ties between Princeton and the NSA went back decades, I discovered, and some of the professors I had been learning from were part of a secret brotherhood of number jocks who worked on really tough math problems for the sake of national security. I was proud to join the fraternity—one that was far bigger than I had ever imagined. According to NSA expert James Bamford, the agency is the single largest employer of mathematicians on the planet. It's a good bet that any high-quality math department of a reasonable size has a faculty member who's done work for the NSA.

I worked for the NSA in 1992 and 1993 under the auspices of the Director's Summer Program, which snaffles up hot young undergraduate math majors around the country each year. After clearing a security check—which included not just a polygraph exam but also a couple of FBI agents snooping around campus to see what mischief I had been up to—I wound up at Fort Meade, Md., for indoctrination.

It was more than 20 years ago that I received my first security briefing, and a lot of what I learned is now outdated. Back then, few had heard of what was nicknamed "No Such Agency," and the government wanted to keep it that way. We were taught not to breathe a word about the NSA; if anyone asked, we worked for the Department of Defense. That's even what it said on my resume and one of my NSA-issued ID cards. Now there's little point to such pretense. The agency has been outed and is a regular fixture of Page 1 headlines. In 1992, I was taught that the code words we stamped on all our classified documents were a closely guarded secret, that it was a crime to reveal them to outsiders. But a quick Google search shows that government websites are chock-full of papers clearly marked with words and phrases that were at one time for the eyes of only those few with the need to know.

Another thing they used to say at those briefings was that the might of the NSA would never be used against U.S. citizens. Back when I signed up, the agency made it crystal clear to us that we were empowered to protect our nation against only foreign enemies, not domestic ones. To do otherwise was against the NSA charter. More importantly, I got the strong sense that it was against the culture of the place. After working there for two summers, I genuinely believed that my colleagues would be horrified if they thought our work was being used to snoop on fellow Americans. Has that changed, too?

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http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2013/08/nsa_domestic_spying_mathematicians_should_speak_out.html

There are a lot of people who want to return America to a democracy, including Mr. Gore and Mr. Seife. Thanks for being one, Th1onein.

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"But terror and stuff" whatchamacallit Aug 2013 #1
If Rehnquist and Scalia hadn't fixed the Florida problem there wouldn't have been any war on terra. Octafish Aug 2013 #4
Staggers the mind pondering the alternate realities whatchamacallit Aug 2013 #7
Yep. They literally changed the course of history, and got away with it. Just like they did with silvershadow Aug 2013 #21
crown jewel alert... crown jewel alert... nebenaube Aug 2013 #61
I will repeat what I have said all along. mick063 Aug 2013 #2
NSA probably has on file what Pelosi and everyone really think. Octafish Aug 2013 #10
And former President Carter: "America has no functioning democracy." woo me with science Aug 2013 #36
With electronic voting, does it matter? AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #53
As they are unable to determine who placed the Downwinder Aug 2013 #3
Buzzy Krongard probably had that particular tape erased. Octafish Aug 2013 #6
That's still the elephant in the room Ichingcarpenter Aug 2013 #8
Says who? I say we start talking about it. silvershadow Aug 2013 #23
It may smell like a zoo johnnyreb Aug 2013 #25
K&R PowerToThePeople Aug 2013 #5
J. Edgar Hoover with Supercomputers Octafish Aug 2013 #15
I think I remember reading this when it was newly published. PowerToThePeople Aug 2013 #16
K&R! Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #9
Edward Snowden’s Brave Choice Octafish Aug 2013 #18
K&R Ocelot Aug 2013 #11
The U.S. National Security State Octafish Aug 2013 #22
Yes it is Al, yes it is... nradisic Aug 2013 #12
Couldn't be more like 1984 if they appointed Gen Clapper to investigate himself. Octafish Aug 2013 #24
It's just you, Al. Jackpine Radical Aug 2013 #13
Your sources, please? Octafish Aug 2013 #17
Damn your eyes, I'll never reveal my sources. Jackpine Radical Aug 2013 #19
k and r panader0 Aug 2013 #14
Meat Ax or Scalpel? Octafish Aug 2013 #28
K & R !!! WillyT Aug 2013 #20
Three Illusory "Investigations" of the NSA Spying Are Unable to Succeed Octafish Aug 2013 #32
But, as a protection racket it pays well. Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2013 #26
Outgoing FBI director uses fear-mongering to defend spying programs Octafish Aug 2013 #33
What's outrageous is a government that demands full disclosure from it's citizens,... Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2013 #27
That's not just outrageous, it's a recipe for disaster. winter is coming Aug 2013 #30
Any politician that doesn't see that is too isolated in the DC bubble.... Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2013 #31
SECRET Government Is a One-Way Mirror. Octafish Aug 2013 #34
He might not "have invented the internet," but he certainly understands it well enough! :) Pholus Aug 2013 #29
Al Gore Tears Into NSA Defenders: 'We Don’t Do Dial Groups On The Bill Of Rights' Octafish Aug 2013 #35
He certainly should try to! nt Pholus Aug 2013 #37
Good God that's a wonderful idea! Gore. nt snappyturtle Aug 2013 #59
It's Not Secret otohara Aug 2013 #38
You got that right. Octafish Aug 2013 #52
THANK YOU, former President Gore! Th1onein Aug 2013 #39
An Open Letter to My Former NSA Colleagues Octafish Aug 2013 #44
Thank YOU, Octafish, for educating me, and others. Th1onein Aug 2013 #48
****DEAR MR GORE, The blanket surveillance by the gov isn't all secret and never has been**** uponit7771 Aug 2013 #40
Nothing like missing the point. Octafish Aug 2013 #42
Nothing like spewing more libertarian sophistry surveillance doesnt mean spying..two difference word uponit7771 Aug 2013 #45
Wow. A minor talking point and a cheap smear. Octafish Aug 2013 #47
NOT a minor talking point a HUGE difference...surveillance is not spying. Boston would uponit7771 Aug 2013 #49
Keep digging. Octafish Aug 2013 #50
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Flushbo. Octafish Aug 2013 #58
"the equivalent of the second X-Men movie where..." Union Scribe Aug 2013 #46
cultists only like him when they can blame Nader: what Gore actually does and says is beyond them MisterP Aug 2013 #41
Amazing, isn't it? Octafish Aug 2013 #56
Al Gore always hated Obama... 99Forever Aug 2013 #43
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Kick... AzDar Aug 2013 #51
In part I blame the sheep who were/are willing to stand in airport lines while getting free feel-ups AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #55
K&R'd immediately upon reading Gore's tweet....but snappyturtle Aug 2013 #60
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