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L0oniX

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26. Didn't we use phosphor on Faluja and didn't we drop cluster bombs? So who will tell us to disarm?
Sun Aug 25, 2013, 11:42 AM
Aug 2013
The hypocrisy of the USA is astounding. We should attack ourselves for all the violations of our own laws. Fucking ridiculous and pathetic.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_phosphorus_use_in_Iraq

In April 2004, during the First Battle of Fallujah, after the fall of Saddam Hussein's government, Darrin Mortenson of the North County Times in California reported that white phosphorus was used as an incendiary weapon. Embedded with the 2nd Battalion, 1st Marine Regiment, Mortenson described a Marine mortar team using a mixture of white phosphorus and high explosives to shell a cluster of buildings where insurgents had been spotted throughout the week.[4]

In November 2004, during the Second Battle of Fallujah, Washington Post reporters embedded with Task Force 2-2, Regimental Combat Team 7, wrote on November 9, 2004 that "Some artillery guns fired white phosphorus (WP) rounds that create a screen of fire that cannot be extinguished with water." [5] Insurgents reported being attacked with a substance that melted their skin, a reaction consistent with white phosphorus burns.[5]

On November 9, 2005 the Italian state-run broadcaster Radiotelevisione Italiana S.p.A. aired a documentary titled "Fallujah, The Hidden Massacre", alleging that the United States' used white phosphorus as a weapon in Fallujah causing insurgents and civilians to be killed or injured by chemical burns. The filmmakers further claimed that the United States used incendiary MK-77 bombs in violation of Protocol III of the 1980 Convention on Certain Conventional Weapons. According to the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons, quoted in the documentary, white phosphorus is permitted for use as an illumination device and as a weapon with regard to heat energy, but not permitted as an offensive weapon with regard to its toxic chemical properties.[6][7] The documentary also included footage which purported to be of white phosphorus being fired from helicopters over Fallujah. It also quoted journalist Giuliana Sgrena, who had been in Fallujah, as a testimony. [8]

Yea we used cluster bombs and shipped a lot of them to others ...spreading the terror ...children with blown off limbs
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cluster_munition

Afghanistan, 2001 - 2002

United States and other NATO countries used large numbers of cluster munitions during the initial stage of the operation. 1,228 cluster bombs containing 248,056 bomblets were used by the allies.[15][16][17]

Iraq
A US naval F/A-18C Hornet launches from USS Nimitz to a mission in Southern Iraq. Among other weapons, the plane carries CBU-100 "Rockeye" cluster bombs.

Used by the United States and the United Kingdom

1991: United States, France, and the United Kingdom dropped 61,000 cluster bombs, containing 20 million submunitions, on Iraq, according to the HRW.[18]

2003-2006: United States and allies attacked Iraq with 13,000 cluster munitions, containing two million submunitions during Operation Iraqi Freedom, according to the HRW.[19] At multiple times, coalition forces used cluster munitions in residential areas, and the country remains among the most contaminated by this day, bomblets posing a threat to both US military personnel in the area, and local civilians.[20]

When these weapons were fired on Baghdad on April 7, 2003 many of the bomblets failed to explode on impact. They were picked up or stumbled on by their victims. The Pentagon presented a misleading picture during the war of the extent to which cluster weapons were being used and of the civilian casualties they were causing. Gen. Richard Myers, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, told reporters on April 25, six days before President Bush declared major combat operations over, that the United States had used 1,500 cluster weapons and caused one civilian casualty.[21]

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Is it just me, or is this place very quiet this morning? Like we're in mourning. leveymg Aug 2013 #1
I think that loss of hope is going to be hard Hydra Aug 2013 #12
It has a "Guns of August" feel about it - a lot of unintended consequences and a wider, longer, leveymg Aug 2013 #13
It's not good Hydra Aug 2013 #17
I agree Junkdrawer Aug 2013 #31
doubt it--the "at least he's put no boots on the ground" crowd will just change the mantra to MisterP Aug 2013 #35
We don't put our 'boots on the ground' if possible. We use proxy armies, our dictator sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #38
Lost illusions. Good way to put it. I agree. Th1onein Aug 2013 #40
Ahh...the "Ultimatum to Disarm." Saddam tried to comply.... KoKo Aug 2013 #2
This time for sure.... Junkdrawer Aug 2013 #3
Where's the advantage in disarming. Exactly. Saddam disarmed. reusrename Aug 2013 #41
this isn't a very good comparison- unless you think that cali Aug 2013 #4
Sorry, I don't believe Assad is that stupid. Junkdrawer Aug 2013 #5
conducted by whom? And based on what don't you think that Assad is that "stupid" cali Aug 2013 #6
That's just it. The US is still uncertain who did it. The Brits, however, are sure it was Assad. Junkdrawer Aug 2013 #7
that still doesn't answer the question: Who do you think conducted a "false flag" cali Aug 2013 #8
Let's just say that Larry Wilkerson has accused Israel of such false flag operations in Syria.... Junkdrawer Aug 2013 #9
seems ridiculous to me cali Aug 2013 #14
Wilkerson doesn't stike me as a "blame the Jews for all the ills of the world" type... Junkdrawer Aug 2013 #29
It's not even clear whether it was artillery or a rocket attack. leveymg Aug 2013 #19
We would be stupid to not confirm every detail before we get sucked into it. leveymg Aug 2013 #15
We'd be stupid... awoke_in_2003 Aug 2013 #33
Yup leveymg Aug 2013 #34
i agree...bad analogy Supersedeas Aug 2013 #25
I'm putting my neck on the line malaise Aug 2013 #10
So you think Medecins Sans Frontiere is in on perpetrating a hoax? cali Aug 2013 #18
I don't think there are too many who are still doubting that people were killed by some sort of gas. leveymg Aug 2013 #20
isn't that just precisely what I said? cali Aug 2013 #36
Let me put it this way malaise Aug 2013 #32
you really, really need how to employ some critical thinking. cali Aug 2013 #37
malaise, you'll want to read this.... Junkdrawer Aug 2013 #39
There was a chemical attack, the only question is by whom. All sides agree there was an attack stevenleser Aug 2013 #21
Yea ...the USA used chemicals to attack too. Who's going to tell us to disarm? L0oniX Aug 2013 #27
Not to mention Agent Orange. zeemike Aug 2013 #30
I'm going to say it was a false flag operation by foriegn entities. Arctic Dave Aug 2013 #22
I wonder if we'll get another David Kelly whistleblow + "suicide" out of this Hydra Aug 2013 #11
Now that you mention it, not many have stepped forward since then. Octafish Aug 2013 #16
+1 nashville_brook Aug 2013 #23
Yes, a coincidence, I'm certain n/t Hydra Aug 2013 #24
yeah, remember heaven05 Aug 2013 #28
Didn't we use phosphor on Faluja and didn't we drop cluster bombs? So who will tell us to disarm? L0oniX Aug 2013 #26
Even If... KharmaTrain Aug 2013 #42
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