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In reply to the discussion: Hobby Lobby ahole threatens to close all stores [View all]Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)77. I'm deliberately ignoring your appeal to costs because it is immaterial.
If we wanted all law to reflect what is most pragmatic we would attach penalties to bearing and rearing out-of-wedlock children. The body of research that shows children from single-parent households lag behind their peers despite the personal heroism of their parents is irrefutable.
Is this really how you want our laws fashioned? I don't. That's why I ignore such appeals.
If we followed your "logic", then it would be acceptable for an employer to not include maternity benefits if he had a belief the over-population is destroying our ecosystem.
I would defend that person not because I agree with them,* but instead I defend the principle that I refuse to tell them what they can or cannot believe in or what they should or should not purchase with their money no matter how stupid, useless or expensive their belief may be.
When you say, "It's cheaper" you're really saying "for me." If he, as an employer would welcome higher costs to not support elective BC then that is his choice, just as sure as it is his choice to pay his employees above minimum wage even though the law allows him to pay a lower wage. But we all know you're referring to the pool you yourself must pay into. So, in reality what you really mean is you don't like the fact you are forced to drink from the same glass because of the cost to you.
I would prefer a system where we all get our own glasses and fill them with what we want. My husband's policy also covers rehab for IV drug abuse. Neither me or Lover Boy would ever contemplate recreational use of IV drugs, yet we have to pay all the same. And to be honest I'm a little cheesed-off at the thought I have to pay for someone else's foolish choices -- but the law says...
Wouldn't it be awesome if we had a system where you and I pooled our money for policies that were cheaper because we weren't paying for rehab and maternity costs we don't wish to utilize?
If you want to talk cost, there is no lower cost when all providers supply the exact same coverage, without variation. If A = B = C = D then what you really have is a monopoly by A, only with different letterhead. Monopolies -- without exception -- degenerate into higher costs and poorer service.
* Someone once mentioned their concern for over-population to my Lover Boy. "Lead by example," he said. Then he pointed off to the distance saying, "The Whisper-Chipper was over there try to be useful and aim for the garden." Oh, how I wish I had his wit.
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I guess this is several weeks old. I saw a bunch of references to it this AM.
BlueStreak
Aug 2013
#1
Seems his problem is specifically with providing emergency contraception, not ACA in general.
Gidney N Cloyd
Aug 2013
#14
If I have a problem with a particular ulcer medication, should I be able to force my insurance co
BlueStreak
Aug 2013
#17
I don't follow that argument. Nobody is telling people they have to use contraceptives
BlueStreak
Aug 2013
#22
So a corporation owned by Jehovah's Witnesses can decide their insurance doesn't cover
gollygee
Aug 2013
#29
They are entitled to their beliefs. They are not entitled to force them upon others
BlueStreak
Aug 2013
#44
You can govern YOUR BODY as you choose. If you are an employer, you do not have the right
BlueStreak
Aug 2013
#52
Yes, he is paying for it and the law forces him to do so under threat of legal penalty.
Nuclear Unicorn
Aug 2013
#46
I'm deliberately ignoring your appeal to costs because it is immaterial.
Nuclear Unicorn
Aug 2013
#77
So if the government were to reimpose prayer in public schools that's be OK too?
Nuclear Unicorn
Aug 2013
#62
USSC decisions get overturned. Yesterday's Dred Scott is tomorrow's Brown v Board.
Nuclear Unicorn
Aug 2013
#79
I'm sure he isn't Catholic, since he has given tens of millions to Liberty University and
Tanuki
Aug 2013
#87
"run business according to Xtian principles"?!1 I'm sure the Acts of the Apostles
UTUSN
Aug 2013
#16
Thank you, I wanted to say what you said but I couldn't get them out.
Dont_Bogart_the_Pretzel
Aug 2013
#88
This guy essentially thinks he has the right to tell his employees how to spend their money.
RedCappedBandit
Aug 2013
#31
Yeah, because we all know buying private insurance is an entirely valid option for the majority of
RedCappedBandit
Aug 2013
#105
The law also tells him he must buy fire extinguishers and build wheelchair accessible bathrooms
jmowreader
Aug 2013
#85
his religious conviction means he doesn't want to pay for birth control
ProdigalJunkMail
Aug 2013
#93