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Nuclear Unicorn

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84. You don't get to say what does and does not violate his beliefs.

Sun Aug 25, 2013, 02:57 PM

Aug 2013

If you're so confident in your position then change the law to allow insurance companies to offer policies without BC but allow policy purchasers to buy policies from whatever provider they choose. Nothing will stop an employee from buying BC while the employer need only pay what they would normally offer for benefits on their own terms. As I've stated in another post, there are some policy features I would prefer to not pay to receive because they will never be applicable to me.

If people are genuine about supporting my being pro-choice then they should be serious, not situational.

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Hobby Lobby ahole threatens to close all stores [View all] BlueStreak Aug 2013 OP

I guess this is several weeks old. I saw a bunch of references to it this AM. BlueStreak Aug 2013 #1

He'll probably sell off his chain IggleDoer Aug 2013 #2

Our corner is becoming a magnet for these Christian businesses. Baitball Blogger Aug 2013 #3

You must be mistaken. He is closing his stores. BlueStreak Aug 2013 #4

Actually, nowhere in the article does he say he is closing. dixiegrrrrl Aug 2013 #25

He makes a not very veiled threat BlueStreak Aug 2013 #30

In other news: There's a chain of stores called "Hobby Lobby" flvegan Aug 2013 #5

That was my reaction: never heard of it frazzled Aug 2013 #10

Hey asshole, the ACA was passed for the employees you screw, not YOU. tridim Aug 2013 #6

If we look into it, we will undoubtedly find BlueStreak Aug 2013 #7

I wouldn't miss it. lpbk2713 Aug 2013 #8

Quality on a par with Waldemart... truebluegreen Aug 2013 #21

put up or shut up. n/t PowerToThePeople Aug 2013 #9

Fine libodem Aug 2013 #11

Then abide by your convictions and do so. Autumn Aug 2013 #12

Hobby Lobby sells nothing even remotely related to actual Hobbies. NYC_SKP Aug 2013 #13

Seems his problem is specifically with providing emergency contraception, not ACA in general. Gidney N Cloyd Aug 2013 #14

If I have a problem with a particular ulcer medication, should I be able to force my insurance co BlueStreak Aug 2013 #17

Yeah, that thought struck me, too. Gidney N Cloyd Aug 2013 #23

It's contraception in general. IIRC he's Catholic. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2013 #18

I don't follow that argument. Nobody is telling people they have to use contraceptives BlueStreak Aug 2013 #22

I know the arguments in favor of contraceptives. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2013 #27

So a corporation owned by Jehovah's Witnesses can decide their insurance doesn't cover gollygee Aug 2013 #29

And to take it to its logical end result, BlueStreak Aug 2013 #34

Actually the owner of Hobby Lobby does have a choice. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2013 #38

Yes. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2013 #36

They are entitled to their beliefs. They are not entitled to force them upon others BlueStreak Aug 2013 #44

Nonsense. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2013 #50

You can govern YOUR BODY as you choose. If you are an employer, you do not have the right BlueStreak Aug 2013 #52

You're grossly misstating the case. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2013 #61

And exactly the same argument could be BlueStreak Aug 2013 #74

So mandate women take BC until licensed to bear children. Geez! Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2013 #82

He isn't "PAYING" for anything BlueStreak Aug 2013 #43

Yes, he is paying for it and the law forces him to do so under threat of legal penalty. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2013 #46

Stop being intentionally dense. I know you are smarter than that. BlueStreak Aug 2013 #57

I'm deliberately ignoring your appeal to costs because it is immaterial. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2013 #77

Catholics are against the death penalty too. Live and Learn Aug 2013 #58

So if the government were to reimpose prayer in public schools that's be OK too? Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2013 #62

That would be illegal and has already been decided as such. Live and Learn Aug 2013 #76

USSC decisions get overturned. Yesterday's Dred Scott is tomorrow's Brown v Board. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2013 #79

I'm sure he isn't Catholic, since he has given tens of millions to Liberty University and Tanuki Aug 2013 #87

As soon as he wants to provide "Emergency" pre-natal care, post-uterus care, dballance Aug 2013 #53

When I park at Hobby Lobby itsrobert Aug 2013 #15

"run business according to Xtian principles"?!1 I'm sure the Acts of the Apostles UTUSN Aug 2013 #16

Please! Close down all your stores! The crap you sell there is horrible. Rex Aug 2013 #19

Good luck peddling your beads and scrap-booking crap online. davsand Aug 2013 #20

LOL NJCher Aug 2013 #86

He should change the name to China Lobby... Dont_Bogart_the_Pretzel Aug 2013 #24

China makes Green a hypocrite. earthside Aug 2013 #78

Thank you, I wanted to say what you said but I couldn't get them out. Dont_Bogart_the_Pretzel Aug 2013 #88

Um, they are opening a LOT of new stores. factsarenotfair Aug 2013 #26

You may not care if they close. ForgoTheConsequence Aug 2013 #28

Does the average H.L. employee receive health care coverage today? BlueStreak Aug 2013 #35

None of that addressed my point. ForgoTheConsequence Aug 2013 #37

You are soon to observe an amazing phenomenon. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2013 #41

Right, because because the power of employees and business owners are equal. kcr Aug 2013 #89

This guy essentially thinks he has the right to tell his employees how to spend their money. RedCappedBandit Aug 2013 #31

Just the opposite. The law tells him how he has to spend his money. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2013 #45

The law also says he must pay his employees RedCappedBandit Aug 2013 #51

I agree but the current situation is exactly the opposite. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2013 #59

Yes, it is. RedCappedBandit Aug 2013 #66

You don't get to say what does and does not violate his beliefs. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2013 #84

What about the employees who can't afford it? kcr Aug 2013 #90

so, you would tell him how to spend his money? ProdigalJunkMail Aug 2013 #94

As it happens, it's a very popular position. kcr Aug 2013 #97

Yeah, because we all know buying private insurance is an entirely valid option for the majority of RedCappedBandit Aug 2013 #105

nicely stated... ProdigalJunkMail Aug 2013 #71

The law also tells him he must buy fire extinguishers and build wheelchair accessible bathrooms jmowreader Aug 2013 #85

LIke nails on a chalkboard to Libertarians, that n/t kcr Aug 2013 #92

oh wait... ProdigalJunkMail Aug 2013 #95

It's a good thing there isn't then. kcr Aug 2013 #96

Nope jmowreader Aug 2013 #103

I think you meant that for Prodigal? kcr Aug 2013 #104

From what I've read YarnAddict Aug 2013 #32

Hobby Lobby IS NOT PAYING for contraceptives BlueStreak Aug 2013 #40

They pay the premiums YarnAddict Aug 2013 #56

The Hobby Lobby is just using what leverage they have Beringia Aug 2013 #69

How do you know who they would YarnAddict Aug 2013 #75

I can't say for sure Beringia Aug 2013 #81

I hate employment and health care being tied together gollygee Aug 2013 #33

+1 Hayabusa Aug 2013 #48

+1000 nt Live and Learn Aug 2013 #60

Go to Michael's Beringia Aug 2013 #39

Good Riddance dem in texas Aug 2013 #42

I have shopped at Hobby Lobby before, but never again. Hayabusa Aug 2013 #47

You mean the place in Bellaire? on Chimney Rock? Manifestor_of_Light Aug 2013 #108

G&G, actually Hayabusa Aug 2013 #110

I don't go to church or shop at hobby lobby but really rl6214 Aug 2013 #49

How horrible for him! noamnety Aug 2013 #54

there is a mild difference between paying taxes ProdigalJunkMail Aug 2013 #65

The difference is the financial equivalent to semantics. noamnety Aug 2013 #72

the gov't also says killing people is needed for the common good ProdigalJunkMail Aug 2013 #73

Yeah, I referenced killing people in my post noamnety Aug 2013 #80

He's exercising his rights. Nothing wrong with that. reformist2 Aug 2013 #55

No, he'll just sell them to some soulless corporation Warpy Aug 2013 #63

Corporate America; a Hobby Lobby or three in every city and town.. mountain grammy Aug 2013 #64

Hobby Lobby CEO's Net Worth= $4.5 Billion AnotherPerspective Aug 2013 #67

Sorry David Green... 99Forever Aug 2013 #68

YEAH...fuck the 21,000 people who work there ProdigalJunkMail Aug 2013 #70

Right, let's juts let corporations run roughshod over our rights then. kcr Aug 2013 #91

his religious conviction means he doesn't want to pay for birth control ProdigalJunkMail Aug 2013 #93

You're right, people have a right to run businesses. kcr Aug 2013 #98

Wow... 99Forever Aug 2013 #99

Well, I can't say I will miss 'em! Initech Aug 2013 #83

If this crap actually works A Little Weird Aug 2013 #100

I googled it GP6971 Aug 2013 #101

Just a little clarification BlueStreak Aug 2013 #107

Thank you for the GP6971 Aug 2013 #111

Please do. GoCubsGo Aug 2013 #102

He's just hoping all the hobby lobbers will rise up and boycott hobbies. Lint Head Aug 2013 #106

Oh sure, like he's really going to do Raine Aug 2013 #109