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davidn3600

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84. This is a democratic country...

Sun Aug 25, 2013, 03:59 PM

Aug 2013

...if the people don't like a law, they have a right to protest. They have a right to demand answers from their elected officials. And they have a right to demand that laws be changed. And the people have a right to tell politicians that they won't vote for them anymore.

You seem to have the mindset that "the law is the law" and we have to learn to live with it. Well, sorry but that's not happening. We have a right to protest and free speech under the first amendment of the constitution. You may not like our dissent, but YOU will have to learn to live with it.

No one here is talking about getting rid of social security or medicare. No one here is talking about getting rid of public education or food stamps. We are talking about scrapping or radically reforming a domestic spy agency that is violating our constitutional rights. There is no reason, no reason at all, a progressive would favor such an authoritarian tool as this program.

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I'm I the only Person Surprised at Pres. Obama's Gallup Numbers? [View all] louis c Aug 2013 OP

I'm glad. Tien1985 Aug 2013 #1

polling last week showed that he has lost 15 points among younger people. grasswire Aug 2013 #2

Obama Pushes for Warrantless Access to Phone Data... Again Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #3

I am not surprised at all at his Poll numbers. DontTreadOnMe Aug 2013 #4

And many of them have opposed Obama since the primaries pnwmom Aug 2013 #12

That's right. Consistent undermining. On Everything. Whisp Aug 2013 #45

Post removed Post removed Aug 2013 #22

So you support drone attacks on American citizens? Th1onein Aug 2013 #51

You left out treestar Aug 2013 #69

That is not the issue, and you know it. Th1onein Aug 2013 #95

It's not paranoia if it's really happening. cui bono Aug 2013 #56

telling old man bush the country is 'kinder and gentler' because of him and having the DOJ roguevalley Aug 2013 #62

A.K.A. The Tea Party railsback Aug 2013 #76

It doesn't sound like you consider much " a lot farther left " 95% ? orpupilofnature57 Aug 2013 #77

Out of the 43% there is about 26% who thought W walked on water and would never give Obama any Thinkingabout Aug 2013 #5

I aint voting for a democrat that supports the surveillance state davidn3600 Aug 2013 #6

Even if a candidate says they are not for surveillance and they take an oath to uphold the Thinkingabout Aug 2013 #7

Since what the NSA is doing is unconstitutional....opposing it would be following their oath davidn3600 Aug 2013 #10

I am speaking about the Constitution of the USA, warrants are being issued through FISA court Thinkingabout Aug 2013 #11

Have you not been following the news? The NSA admits abuse davidn3600 Aug 2013 #13

Have you ever had a typo? Hell yes, then who are you abusing, talk about blinders. Thinkingabout Aug 2013 #18

If you trust this government...good for you. But I don't.... davidn3600 Aug 2013 #27

That's the thing, wingers think the government is THE problem...I don't udnerstand uponit7771 Aug 2013 #29

So during the Bush era we were all 'wingers' because we didn't trust that Government? sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #40

I didn't trust the Bush admin, the Bush admin was a part of the US government not the whole...still uponit7771 Aug 2013 #89

Well, he President admires Reagan as he said, I don' get it either. sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #92

Let's see, I should trust the "whistleblowers", like Snowden, nope that will never happen, Thinkingabout Aug 2013 #32

It's not just Snowden davidn3600 Aug 2013 #35

Watch War on Whistleblowers by Robert Greenwald. cui bono Aug 2013 #58

GG writes about illegal spying and the information collected was from illegal spying and theft. Thinkingabout Aug 2013 #68

Okay, I get it. You constantly defend the authoritarian side of this, cui bono Aug 2013 #71

It's authoritarian to have laws? treestar Aug 2013 #73

When they are unconstitutional, yes. cui bono Aug 2013 #80

Who decides that? treestar Aug 2013 #94

I abide by the Constitution, we all should, defend the authoritarian side or dislike the libertarian Thinkingabout Aug 2013 #75

Then why are you defending actions that are negating our constitutional rights? n/t cui bono Aug 2013 #81

What constitutional right has been negated? Thinkingabout Aug 2013 #88

The Fourth Amendment. n/t cui bono Aug 2013 #90

Which Fourth Amendment, the one for the USA? Did you read all of it or did you just read a part Thinkingabout Aug 2013 #91

An audit can't prove creeksneakers2 Aug 2013 #44

He is NOT thinking... he can't understand the concept. DontTreadOnMe Aug 2013 #14

Yes you are correct, I can not help the paranoid, it is hopeless. One thing about it, if he finds a Thinkingabout Aug 2013 #24

Support our POTUS no matter what he does cui bono Aug 2013 #60

Blind loyalty as you are experiencing with GG, Snowden, etc, you may not like our laws but there are Thinkingabout Aug 2013 #72

Really? Show me where I am blindly loyal to Snowden and GG. cui bono Aug 2013 #79

You are concerned with what you have been told happens to your version of Thinkingabout Aug 2013 #86

I don't see the proof... and you skipped the anti-government part. cui bono Aug 2013 #87

This is a democratic country... davidn3600 Aug 2013 #84

. PowerToThePeople Aug 2013 #20

Spread the word brother mick063 Aug 2013 #16

Exactly, I hear about the single issue often, mostly from the anti-abortion group and the Thinkingabout Aug 2013 #26

Corporations Know More About Us Than The Govt. otohara Aug 2013 #36

We need your voice to stay loud and clear on this. gulliver Aug 2013 #43

i would vote for obama again and hope we could change his mind Liberal_in_LA Aug 2013 #61

FCOL, this does not affect you that much treestar Aug 2013 #70

Meanwhile a child will starve, a poor person won't get healthcare, a school will fail, a bridge will coldmountain Aug 2013 #82

Those kids are starving under a progressive president too... davidn3600 Aug 2013 #85

So you're saying there is no difference between Obama and Romney? coldmountain Aug 2013 #96

Thanks that's interesting.... politically jimlup Aug 2013 #8

Don't care what his numbers are. Defunding and Race to the Top have decimated our schools. liberal_at_heart Aug 2013 #9

Yeah, you are correct. It's all the Dems fault. You should vote Republican. DontTreadOnMe Aug 2013 #15

insult me all you want. It won't change my vote. You're going on ignore. liberal_at_heart Aug 2013 #17

You are so persuasive mick063 Aug 2013 #19

You can't fix stupid DontTreadOnMe Aug 2013 #21

I like all your complaints about your lack of time Union Scribe Aug 2013 #50

Seriously PowerToThePeople Aug 2013 #25

I get this at least once a month DontTreadOnMe Aug 2013 #28

I am not sure. PowerToThePeople Aug 2013 #30

I am never in agreement with Libertarians, and used this name since 2003 DontTreadOnMe Aug 2013 #49

Sounds good to to me, Tread. juajen Aug 2013 #52

I was thinking changing it to Chelsea DontTreadOnMe Aug 2013 #53

Weee you are on a roll HangOnKids Aug 2013 #63

I don't think Admin would change your username for you, but Whisp Aug 2013 #46

Beatings will continue until morale improves. n/t winter is coming Aug 2013 #33

Stop projecting. n/t Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #23

I'm surprised that unemployement has gone back to 8.8% Boom Sound 416 Aug 2013 #31

Are you talking about the national unemployment rate, for July 2013 it was 7.2. Thinkingabout Aug 2013 #34

I'm talking about Gallup's front page Boom Sound 416 Aug 2013 #37

nope, he's miles better than any fucking rethuglican and folks know it.... spanone Aug 2013 #38

Let's add on Obama's worst day he is better. Thinkingabout Aug 2013 #39

Am I the only person who would be surprised... sendero Aug 2013 #41

Only surprising if you spend all day on DU jberryhill Aug 2013 #42

Agreed, the Honey Boo Boo set probably doesn't know anything about Snowden or Manning Fumesucker Aug 2013 #67

I don't want to take down President Obama-I just want to cripple the surveillance industrial complex Douglas Carpenter Aug 2013 #47

Not in the least. I communicate with lots of Democrats who know nothing of DU. grantcart Aug 2013 #48

Not surprised CakeGrrl Aug 2013 #54

+1 Just Saying Aug 2013 #55

A lot of people see the economy improving. A lot of people are getting jobs. A lot of people Pretzel_Warrior Aug 2013 #57

which is more important to people treestar Aug 2013 #74

I'm both surprised and not surprised. cui bono Aug 2013 #59

Speaking as one of those have criticisms, I'm not surprised. Jim Lane Aug 2013 #64

Not at all. And, I'm really Cha Aug 2013 #65

Because idiots and bigots are the most vocal among the population, giving the impression that most kelliekat44 Aug 2013 #66

I suspect... devils chaplain Aug 2013 #78

I have no idea. LWolf Aug 2013 #83

Not surprised. bravenak Aug 2013 #93