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Ms. Toad

(38,674 posts)
50. Convicted felon is legal reality.
Sun Aug 25, 2013, 07:17 PM
Aug 2013

As to the rest - without checking the record - I believe the giving away state secrets to a foreign national portion of the charge was dropped (or she was found innocent), so I don't believe that is legally accurate.

You might find it enlightening to read this. It is long, but it gives a lot of background you may not be aware of.

http://www.philipsandifer.com/2013/08/the-high-tech-lynching-of-breanna.html


The news that the person called Bradley Manning in the bulk of media stories over the past few years is more correctly called "Chelsea" was, to say the least, surprising to those of us who followed the case closely. We had, for the most part, thought she preferred "Breanna." Other than this detail, however, the "sudden" revelation that Manning was a trans woman was neither sudden nor a revelation. In fact, understanding anything about this case without that information is essentially impossible. The sole reason that Chelsea Manning is going to spend the next thirty-five years in prison is that she is transgender. For this reason, she was and is being systematically psychologically tortured by the US Army with the express consent of the civilian government. And the sole reason for any of this is that it’s easier to publicly lynch a trans woman than it is to address the criminal deficiencies of the US Military in the course of the now ostensibly concluded Iraq War.

. . .

The concept of dysphoria is simple. It is the set of emotions and feelings caused by the constant knowledge that your self-identity and your physical body are at odds. Metaphors do not do the concept justice. The closest parallel that might be familiar to the general public is the phenomenon of phantom limb pain, in which the brain of an amputee refuses to recognize that the lost limb is gone and continues to frantically and agonizingly insist upon its presence. Except instead of having one appendage that the brain and physical reality differ violently on the trans person is forced to react with perpetual horror to the fact that their entire body is wrong. One trans blogger, Kinsey Hope, describes it viscerally: “That deep down instinctual feeling of “what the fuck”-ness that you get when you see a shattered knee bending a leg the wrong way or even worse see that bent leg on yourself. It’s not rational. It doesn’t make logical sense. It’s utter instinctual response. That’s bodily dysphoria.”

This is what Chelsea Manning was suffering when she was stationed in Iraq. Indeed, it is likely what she was suffering from 24/7. She was open with her supervisors about this. And yet she received no meaningful assistance. When she was found on the floor curled in the fetal position, she received no assistance. When she flipped over a table and attempted to grab a gun from a gun rack, she received no assistance. The only counseling offered to her was designed merely as triage - to get her back to work. Despite widespread awareness of her mental health issues, at no point prior to her arrest for providing classified information to Wikileaks did anyone do anything that could even remotely be considered “treatment.”

By the military’s own admission, Manning should have been discharged in December of 2009, after the gun rack incident. She should also, under military procedure at least, surely have been discharged when she came out to her roommate, in violation of Don’t Ask Don’t Tell. DADT was, after all, used to force soldiers such as Dan Choi, an Arabic translator of vital importance, out of the military because they were gay. This was one of the major reasons why it was, quite rightly, eventually abolished with full support from military hierarchy - it was being used to force good soldiers out of the military. And yet at the height of DADT a Private with gender identity disorder and severe mental health issues resulting from it, who had come out to another soldier, was not only left in the military but put in close proximity to classified information. How could this have even happened?

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I want that ridiculously long sentence reduced to something more rational Warpy Aug 2013 #1
I can respect that! jazzimov Aug 2013 #2
Manning's gender identity being female is not a matter of her sexuality. Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #17
No, YOU said that Warpy Aug 2013 #20
It doesn't need to be your business LittleBlue Aug 2013 #32
It's her, period. ForgoTheConsequence Aug 2013 #3
Leave Manning be n/t leftstreet Aug 2013 #4
I don't see it all as separate issues. noamnety Aug 2013 #5
Shooting unarmed civilian rescuers is a war crime pscot Aug 2013 #6
Yep. ForgoTheConsequence Aug 2013 #8
Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2013 #7
Becoming Klinger from MASH? Unbelievable. The Link Aug 2013 #9
I have seen in my short time here PsychoBunny Aug 2013 #15
Tolerance does not include tolerating intolerance. gollygee Aug 2013 #16
I Will Not Tolerate Intolerance! PsychoBunny Aug 2013 #19
Yep. ForgoTheConsequence Aug 2013 #22
Refusing to do something as simple as use the proper pronoun IS bigotry. NuclearDem Aug 2013 #36
Show me where I said it wasn't. PsychoBunny Aug 2013 #43
Which in this case, I believe may be more accurately called simply "incivility" LanternWaste Aug 2013 #52
very observant - observe the group-think or else . . . . DrDan Aug 2013 #47
Why are you guys whining about simple common courtesy? nomorenomore08 Aug 2013 #65
please show me a post where I did that - you can't DrDan Aug 2013 #66
You cannot The Philosopher Aug 2013 #55
Criticism does not equal persecution. nomorenomore08 Aug 2013 #64
You are a piece of work, you know that? NuclearDem Aug 2013 #35
This is The Philosopher Aug 2013 #51
Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2013 #59
Do you need to know anyone personally The Philosopher Aug 2013 #60
To summarize: Bigotry doesn't bother you. The Link Aug 2013 #10
Do you also think it is alright to use disrepectful verbiage about other minority individuals Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #11
Do you think it is alright to use disrespectful verbiage about people PsychoBunny Aug 2013 #21
You think Manning's sexuality is an 'erroneous belief?' leftstreet Aug 2013 #23
You think it's a political persuasion? PsychoBunny Aug 2013 #27
Gender identiy and sexuality are not the same thing. Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #31
Excellent. You are correct. PsychoBunny Aug 2013 #44
I think the other person's point is pipi_k Aug 2013 #45
Thank you. PsychoBunny Aug 2013 #49
Telling. ForgoTheConsequence Aug 2013 #25
Thank you for making my point. PsychoBunny Aug 2013 #38
Language can hurt. ForgoTheConsequence Aug 2013 #40
And I think that was a great statement and agree wholeheartedly. PsychoBunny Aug 2013 #46
I sure don't equate a person's Party to a person's essence as you seem to Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #29
[sigh] OK PsychoBunny Aug 2013 #48
I am so glad you are NOT in charge of national policy nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #12
Well she DOES. So call her Chelsea. cherokeeprogressive Aug 2013 #13
I prefer to refer to her as a convicted felon who gave away state secrets to foreign nationals. madinmaryland Aug 2013 #26
Thank you! n/t Ms. Toad Aug 2013 #28
She was a he when he committed the crimes, though, making it even more confusing. Though I am glad madinmaryland Aug 2013 #34
I just hope that Manning is not using this as a ruse to be transferred away from the male population ForgoTheConsequence Aug 2013 #42
Convicted felon is legal reality. Ms. Toad Aug 2013 #50
Yes lumpy Aug 2013 #54
No one is denying the felony conviction. n/t cherokeeprogressive Aug 2013 #30
Exactly. I thought blatant flamebait was outside the "community standard". n/t Egalitarian Thug Aug 2013 #39
You and me both. I don't understand why it's still here. n/t cherokeeprogressive Aug 2013 #41
It's amazing how much of this shit I'm seeing Arcanetrance Aug 2013 #14
I guess it's the "big tent". ForgoTheConsequence Aug 2013 #37
maybe its time the big tent burned down Arcanetrance Aug 2013 #56
what a useless piece of ......op. cali Aug 2013 #18
It's pretty simple LittleBlue Aug 2013 #24
I really hope you enjoy pizza. NuclearDem Aug 2013 #33
JizzimOff Says WHAT ??? WillyT Aug 2013 #53
I don't care if you prefer pepperoni & mushroom or ham & pineapple. Electric Monk Aug 2013 #57
ever since Vietnam G_j Aug 2013 #58
Best response here malokvale77 Aug 2013 #62
I consider him a hero, and if he wants to call himself "Chelsea" quinnox Aug 2013 #61
Simply speaking, this post is an example of transphobic bigotry and TOS violation to boot. idwiyo Aug 2013 #63
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