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DontTreadOnMe

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71. Do you get angry when you go to the airport and have to take off your shoes?

Sun Aug 25, 2013, 09:44 PM

Aug 2013

Since I live near the tri-state area, and knew many people who were killed in the Trade Center on 911, maybe I have a different perspective than you do about surveillance and security.

I also work in the IT sector, and have experience about what types of "spying" the NSA is doing... and most people here on DU have ZERO experience in understanding how it is done, or stored. They are just against the entire concept... meanwhile it has been going on for decades, but suddenly NOW you have a problem with... and you don't even know EXACTLY what you have a problem with.. just the CONCEPT of it is enough for you to be against it. It is irrational fear without any facts.

AND it plays right into the hands of Republican talking points, that of being "anti-government". The extreme Left is being played, and they don't even realize it.

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Will the Democratic Party be hurt by the NSA scandal? [View all] kentuck Aug 2013 OP

The Democratic Party deserves it. OnyxCollie Aug 2013 #1

+10 eom 99th_Monkey Aug 2013 #4

It won't blow over, if only because Jackpine Radical Aug 2013 #2

That's pretty astute analysis. Progressives did try to break with Obama HardTimes99 Aug 2013 #92

Yes. tblue Aug 2013 #3

Caution for the future WouldbeCentrist Aug 2013 #37

It depends on which Democratic Party you're discussing. MineralMan Aug 2013 #5

No. Just Saying Aug 2013 #6

“The price of apathy towards public affairs is to be ruled by evil men”. ~Plato Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #9

Apathy? Evil? Just Saying Aug 2013 #16

Can you offer any support for your assertion that most Americans are not paying any attention? Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #40

First off, the question here was whether the NSA scandal would hurt Democrats. Just Saying Aug 2013 #46

Here ya go! If this ain't confirmation, I don't know what is. Tarheel_Dem Aug 2013 #102

As part of the Occupy Movement, I am very well aware of the financial status of the majority of Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #50

Dude Phlem Aug 2013 #81

is that what you think or what you hope? Skittles Aug 2013 #85

I hear a lot of people talking about it. Maybe it depends on where you are. Autumn Aug 2013 #11

They are in my neck of the woods. nt Mojorabbit Aug 2013 #32

It depends on what they do from here. Autumn Aug 2013 #7

^^^^^^ THIS ^^^^^^ Coyotl Aug 2013 #58

+1. There's still time to get on the right side of this issue, but not much. n/t winter is coming Aug 2013 #75

The democratic party needs to present a candidate people can TRUST will not say "hope and change" Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #8

Guess you better get busy finding one. JoePhilly Aug 2013 #88

With electronic voting machines without paper trails, does it matter? AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #10

The NSA operates under the purview of the Dept of Defense. OnyxCollie Aug 2013 #14

We should be working to make sure our votes are counted. Just Saying Aug 2013 #17

I'm not ready to stop observing the loss of democracy through electronic voting. AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #22

My Senators are Wyden and Merkley, no electornic voting here and every vote is on paper Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #42

Putting words in my mouth again? Just Saying Aug 2013 #48

Oregon has no 'voting machines' no polling places and our paper trail is so thick Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #44

Yes, it will hurt them. nt Demo_Chris Aug 2013 #12

They're turning a lot of people off LittleBlue Aug 2013 #13

Well now, there is the way to hasten what you fear. Skidmore Aug 2013 #15

Hasten public anger is the goal mick063 Aug 2013 #18

"Shock and awe" is a pretty right wing way of undertaking policy and war. Skidmore Aug 2013 #55

Slow death or prolonged death LittleBlue Aug 2013 #19

Good work! You're doing exactly what the 1% want you to do. jeff47 Aug 2013 #60

Sorry, Jeff, but with the bunch of elitist sharks who rule in DC... Amonester Aug 2013 #82

Alone, no jeff47 Aug 2013 #87

You've made yourself irrelevant leftynyc Aug 2013 #95

I was over at freerepublic the last couple of days. grasswire Aug 2013 #20

The only problem with that is... Mnpaul Aug 2013 #29

We're talking about a scandal where the leaked documents don't back up the charges. jeff47 Aug 2013 #56

I don't know which is more unlikely: controlling their culture crazies or winter is coming Aug 2013 #76

All that matters is if a sizeable portion view it that way. mick063 Aug 2013 #21

Phony scandal ..... oldhippie Aug 2013 #23

Benghazi is phony. The IRS "scandal" is phony. This is real, and it's winter is coming Aug 2013 #53

"What" is real? Please describe it... because I am calling you out as not knowing anything factual. DontTreadOnMe Aug 2013 #72

Whoa. Not just a river in Egypt. Have a nice life. n/t winter is coming Aug 2013 #74

I already have a paranoid-free life, how about you? DontTreadOnMe Aug 2013 #90

Do some people want the Democratic Party to be hurt? Whisp Aug 2013 #24

The current version, yes. mick063 Aug 2013 #26

and what if the GOP destroys all faith for years to come? Whisp Aug 2013 #33

The greatest threat to the GOP is GOP power. mick063 Aug 2013 #36

Nobody I know is looking for perfection?? kentuck Aug 2013 #47

"Short term pain for a better, more representative party to emerge". You guys have been waiting for Tarheel_Dem Aug 2013 #105

Just watch what the Republicans are doing with the conspiracies railsback Aug 2013 #25

I doubt it, but only because... devils chaplain Aug 2013 #27

Yes. Despite the CYA statements and laughable committees. Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2013 #28

Obama's losing 15 percentage points of young people over NSA.. grasswire Aug 2013 #30

Feet to the fire. Alas, he doesn't mind being burned. Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2013 #31

How old is that poll? According to daily tracking, he's on the upswing with democratic constituen- Tarheel_Dem Aug 2013 #106

five days ago, USA Today - Pew grasswire Aug 2013 #107

Sounds too much like that CNN poll that showed a huge drop, & no other poll ever backed it up. Tarheel_Dem Aug 2013 #109

My Concern: Will Democracy in America be destroyed by the unconstitutional NSA Surveillance? panzerfaust Aug 2013 #34

+1 840high Aug 2013 #38

+1. n/t winter is coming Aug 2013 #49

YES! Unless they LEAD reining in and shutdown of the police state on point Aug 2013 #35

If it does, I think it will be with turnout Boom Sound 416 Aug 2013 #39

It won't hurt the Democrats when compared with the Republicans. BlueCheese Aug 2013 #41

This will hurt, along with Obama's other betrayals. forestpath Aug 2013 #43

Third Way types will have a struggle as will Republicans, but the Democrats I vote for will thrive Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #45

If nothing but "mouthing" in a committee without any changes happens they will definitely be harmed. Lint Head Aug 2013 #51

More paranoia drivel from DUers.... DontTreadOnMe Aug 2013 #52

Wow - you've spent time making up pictures to attack DU muriel_volestrangler Aug 2013 #94

are you intendng the Bernie Sanders avatar to be sarcasm? Douglas Carpenter Aug 2013 #96

Not just will hurt the Democratic Party, already has. 99Forever Aug 2013 #54

Yes, the libertarians are doing great pushing the scandal jeff47 Aug 2013 #57

If the truth was being spread by those concerned about surveillance this would be over in an instant Thinkingabout Aug 2013 #59

Why should it be hurt? Dawson Leery Aug 2013 #61

And many Democrats who were against it when Bush did it City Lights Aug 2013 #68

By many Repugs, you mean limpbaugh, fauxkers & co? Amonester Aug 2013 #80

This message was self-deleted by its author mother earth Aug 2013 #62

+1 woo me with science Aug 2013 #64

This message was self-deleted by its author mother earth Aug 2013 #70

^^^^THIS^^^^^ Autumn Aug 2013 #65

It's the internet trolls who post about the NSA without facts that hurt everyone DontTreadOnMe Aug 2013 #66

How could you say it is nothing?? kentuck Aug 2013 #67

Do you get angry when you go to the airport and have to take off your shoes? DontTreadOnMe Aug 2013 #71

BS kentuck Aug 2013 #73

....red-neck logic... facts don't count... easily scared by "things we can't talk about" DontTreadOnMe Aug 2013 #91

Very accurate post. JoePhilly Aug 2013 #89

I have seen no facts on the NSA from you. The Democratic leaders should Autumn Aug 2013 #69

^^^ This (x) 1000 ^^^ Tarheel_Dem Aug 2013 #104

This one? kentuck Aug 2013 #108

Yes. JVS Aug 2013 #63

It should hurt them, but it probably wont hurt much DJ13 Aug 2013 #77

Republicans like the idea of a strong NSA... Goes hand in hand with strong admiration for the the busterbrown Aug 2013 #78

It will get worse before it gets better skippy66 Aug 2013 #79

It's going to decide who controls the parties of the future. Savannahmann Aug 2013 #83

It will only hurt us if we are associated with Snowden/Greenwald backers. gulliver Aug 2013 #84

YES. The only pol getting my money is Wyden. Th1onein Aug 2013 #86

No! ONLY because the Republican Party is not going to push the issue - And I really cannot see the Douglas Carpenter Aug 2013 #93

Well aren't most of those spies GOP lovers? RedCloud Aug 2013 #97

I don't think it will hurt them in the next election. NCTraveler Aug 2013 #98

Tea bagging residents that have run up their post counts in the gungeon... kentuck Aug 2013 #99

There's a lot of ground to cover before 2014 Hydra Aug 2013 #100

And the spineless jellyfish are already setting the stage to blame it on the "liberals"... kentuck Aug 2013 #101

It's all a game to them Hydra Aug 2013 #103