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Union Scribe

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18. Except I'm not sure what the job is, here.

Mon Aug 26, 2013, 03:36 AM

Aug 2013

Killing bin Laden was a popular and clearly defined act. The narrative was simple. Good guys vs. bad guy. It's not at all clear in Syria. And in killing bin Laden, the risk of toppling some major dominoes was a lot less. And all that's if we even accept that military intervention is a good choice, which itself is--imo--dubious to the nth degree.

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President Obama is intelligent, thoughtful and engaged. He is not a warmongering moron. [View all] Nye Bevan Aug 2013 OP

The US does what the insane government of Israel tells it to (for some unrevealed, Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #1

I think Helen Thomas would have concurred with that. Nye Bevan Aug 2013 #2

ridiculous. the theory that a country of 7 million million people cali Aug 2013 #6

I agree for the most part Scootaloo Aug 2013 #10

Exactly. cali Aug 2013 #13

+1 Little Star Aug 2013 #84

They (the shadow government) tried to have a nuclear first strike under Cheney. reusrename Aug 2013 #120

It's not Israel. It's the Saudis you should worry about. Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2013 #24

That is daft LeftishBrit Aug 2013 #25

frankly if there is a major outside instigator it is the Saudis - Israel may very well support an Douglas Carpenter Aug 2013 #32

Offensive, anti-Semitic bullshit.., SidDithers Aug 2013 #43

Amazing how anything against Israel, automatically gets the "anti-Semitic" label tossed at it.... Katashi_itto Aug 2013 #48

Yep... I caught that one too... RevStPatrick Aug 2013 #49

+100 Katashi_itto Aug 2013 #55

If the shoe fits...nt SidDithers Aug 2013 #50

Naw more like your motives are suspect. Katashi_itto Aug 2013 #54

... SidDithers Aug 2013 #61

Who would have thunk that the person calling President Obama geek tragedy Aug 2013 #100

Yup... SidDithers Aug 2013 #102

Oh Sid! sheshe2 Aug 2013 #128

he called Israel a "Zion death cult". dionysus Aug 2013 #122

You clearly don't know the difference between NuclearDem Aug 2013 #57

'The Jooz control America' meets my definition... SidDithers Aug 2013 #58

Israel did try to coerce US into doing things several times in the past year. darkangel218 Aug 2013 #66

You agree with FWWM?... SidDithers Aug 2013 #69

No, i dont. darkangel218 Aug 2013 #70

Saying that Israel is trying to influence US policy is one thing... SidDithers Aug 2013 #71

Gotcha there. darkangel218 Aug 2013 #72

Which is where the confusion with my comment was NuclearDem Aug 2013 #75

Of course they tried to persuade the US into doing some things. geek tragedy Aug 2013 #104

So anyone who disagrees with Israels international policies darkangel218 Aug 2013 #63

The poster was claiming that Israel directs US policy... SidDithers Aug 2013 #68

Oh Jesus. Dawgs Aug 2013 #73

Well, it's all moot now... SidDithers Aug 2013 #74

What does that link have to do with MY comment about YOUR post? Dawgs Aug 2013 #77

I don't know... SidDithers Aug 2013 #81

A clink of the coffee mugs was heard in cube-rat-land Kolesar Aug 2013 #107

Not at all but if you make the comments that cali Aug 2013 #119

Yup. MotherPetrie Aug 2013 #46

Blackmail. Octafish Aug 2013 #56

I called the fire department Coyotl Aug 2013 #65

No, not really. MineralMan Aug 2013 #80

LOL tabasco Aug 2013 #83

More Israeli bashing? wild bird Aug 2013 #93

Israel wanted us to go to war against Iran years ago bhikkhu Aug 2013 #110

Getting drawn into a war in Syria between the Shi'ia and the Sunni Jihadis is not grown-up. leveymg Aug 2013 #3

Since that hasn't happened yet, it remains to be seen. Unless you are going to tell us you can stevenleser Aug 2013 #53

Steve, the point of activism is to effect policy outcomes not to be quiet until the decision is made leveymg Aug 2013 #62

Then you used the wrong tense in your comment. I would agree that if Obama goes to war, it's stevenleser Aug 2013 #67

Did i ever tell you that darkangel218 Aug 2013 #76

Aww you have me on iggy! darkangel218 Aug 2013 #82

No I don't. ;-) stevenleser Aug 2013 #85

Well, Cheers then!! darkangel218 Aug 2013 #87

Thank you for pointing this out.. tridim Aug 2013 #95

I have to agree madokie Aug 2013 #4

It would be foolish to believe that one man could stop the historical US war machine. Gravitycollapse Aug 2013 #5

One man who is the commander in chief of the U.S. military. He just might be able to do something Ed Suspicious Aug 2013 #7

The US military is almost exclusively a corporate venture at this point. Gravitycollapse Aug 2013 #8

So it doesn't matter who the POTUS is? tblue Aug 2013 #16

+1 Scuba Aug 2013 #40

I'd be really happy with the Commander in Chief if he stood up to the Corporate Venture Maedhros Aug 2013 #20

Some would say it's been that way for a while LearningCurve Aug 2013 #30

As I posted in another thread ... Summer Hathaway Aug 2013 #9

And no posts supporting his action? cthulu2016 Aug 2013 #11

Never said there wouldn't be posts Summer Hathaway Aug 2013 #14

Focus on policy. tblue Aug 2013 #19

It's not a matter of 'popularity' Summer Hathaway Aug 2013 #22

My apologies. Summer Hathaway Aug 2013 #28

Well put Andy823 Aug 2013 #103

Now there's a clear statement of fact, that last sentence. byronius Aug 2013 #124

Not "some people", Neo-DU... tridim Aug 2013 #97

I just came back from an Obama Re-Education/Torture Pro-Corporate Agenda Camp byronius Aug 2013 #125

^^K&R^^nt Progressive dog Aug 2013 #127

Shoots.. that's just filed under ODS 101 Cha Aug 2013 #17

The diagnosis of Obama Derangement Syndrome could be more impressive Fumesucker Aug 2013 #37

What are the odds that Obama is simply wrong A LOT and there isn't some grand conspiracy... Gravitycollapse Aug 2013 #21

No "conspiracy" just simple ODS. Anything he does is wrong by Cha Aug 2013 #23

What are the odds that Summer Hathaway Aug 2013 #27

So you are telling us that long time DU Liberals and Left wing Democrats are also being manipulated RC Aug 2013 #88

No, they don't represent ALL ... ALL the "long time" contributers though uponit7771 Aug 2013 #92

+1, Looking at the AMOUNT and FREQUENCY of rw memes I'm leaning towards what you said uponit7771 Aug 2013 #91

+1 darkangel218 Aug 2013 #94

Tell me about it! You got that right on the money! nt MADem Aug 2013 #36

+1...nt SidDithers Aug 2013 #45

+1 JustAnotherGen Aug 2013 #78

+1 uponit7771 Aug 2013 #90

Nailed it. Bobbie Jo Aug 2013 #106

I agree steve2470 Aug 2013 #12

He is, but thoughtful, engaged people fuck up too. cali Aug 2013 #15

Except I'm not sure what the job is, here. Union Scribe Aug 2013 #18

Exactly right. If Obama was a warmonger, he'd have started a war. Drunken Irishman Aug 2013 #26

We still have military peep in Iraq and Afghanistan. HooptieWagon Aug 2013 #39

And Iran as well bhikkhu Aug 2013 #111

Well, if Obama chooses to wage war.... HooptieWagon Aug 2013 #113

What a dumb response... Drunken Irishman Aug 2013 #116

I want my money back. I thought I donated $ to a person who was opposed to stupid wars. dkf Aug 2013 #29

+1 darkangel218 Aug 2013 #59

PNAC, moving right along. woo me with science Aug 2013 #31

It's all about arms sales. It almost always is. cali Aug 2013 #47

Drones. N/t Fearless Aug 2013 #33

nothing good will come of a military attack - not in the long run - you will see Douglas Carpenter Aug 2013 #34

Ah I see...... DeSwiss Aug 2013 #35

tell that to civilians he has killed with drones... bowens43 Aug 2013 #38

Honestly, i doubt he is the one giving the orders. darkangel218 Aug 2013 #60

Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2013 #41

a kinder, gentler machine gun hand. KG Aug 2013 #42

The proof is in the pudding PowerToThePeople Aug 2013 #44

It makes me sad to read your post.... Little Star Aug 2013 #96

It makes me angry to read your post, woo me with science Aug 2013 #109

The behavior around here re Syria and CW reminds me... Benton D Struckcheon Aug 2013 #51

That will not save his ass if he attacks Syria. nt bemildred Aug 2013 #52

The best and the brightest n2doc Aug 2013 #64

Thanks for this Nye JustAnotherGen Aug 2013 #79

Many intelligent, thoughtful and engaged people make huge errors as you well know. To claim Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #86

Wars only lead to destruction, death and dispair darkangel218 Aug 2013 #98

No matter what the President does with Egypt or Syria is will be a "mistake" on some level. kelliekat44 Aug 2013 #89

I was also impressed with how he handled Bin Laden..... Little Star Aug 2013 #99

I see him as all of the above. Arctic Dave Aug 2013 #101

It's time to stop giving people a pass because of the (D) after their name whoiswithme Aug 2013 #105

Ya' know, we do have a political process called "the primaries" Kolesar Aug 2013 #108

And you think this is working out well? whoiswithme Aug 2013 #115

"..not a warmongering moron"? Is this the same Obama who escalated the lost war in Afghanistan? Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2013 #112

Yep. The n-dimensional chess-master.... HooptieWagon Aug 2013 #114

Obama is definitely no moron. Maedhros Aug 2013 #117

Obama is not a warmongering moron! Rex Aug 2013 #118

the OP has already made themselves forget about Libya, Pakistan, Yemen, Somalia, and two Surges MisterP Aug 2013 #121

No, he just lets warmongering torturers and WMD conspirators walk free Corruption Inc Aug 2013 #123

Leaked Documents: U.S. Framed Syria in Chemical Weapons Attack cantbeserious Aug 2013 #126