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felix_numinous

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172. How are citizens of a country supposed to be heard,

Mon Aug 26, 2013, 12:02 PM

Aug 2013

when all previously available legal methods are being cut off? When simply disagreeing, never mind calling attention to heinous crimes is hazardous to your health and safety?

What, pray tell, all the OWS and whistleblowing critics, are people supposed to do when the right to peacefully assemble is now being interfered with?

When the proven hackable voting machines
and racist purges masquerade as democratic elections? When only 'the pre approved' candidates are even allowed to be seen debating at presidential elections?

I have NEVER gotten a clear SOLUTION from those who are in full blown denial that this system is now in a corrupted state of dysfunction that in no way resembles a democracy or the republic we have strived to be.

So this is why peaceful resistance must go forward, otherwise we will have to line up at the lobotomy clinic to have our frontal lobes severed and thrown out.

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Do you understand why Occupy was infiltrated and broken up? [View all] Savannahmann Aug 2013 OP

K&R&Congrats on 1,500 posts. n/t Egalitarian Thug Aug 2013 #1

I really don't think the banksters and traders were scared of OWS NightWatcher Aug 2013 #2

"what broke up a lot of the Occupy group" Warren Stupidity Aug 2013 #5

Occupy had at least 6 months of taking over public parks while they were left alone. randome Aug 2013 #10

They were never "left alone". Warren Stupidity Aug 2013 #12

Imagine that. the public taking over public parks. For shame! Live and Learn Aug 2013 #18

Why do you insist on posting about OWS when it is clear you either know nothing about sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #42

"Corrupt NYPD" aquart Aug 2013 #48

I'm thinking that when a Dept is in the middle of multiple scandals at the same time sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #55

Remember this: Live and Learn Aug 2013 #64

Arrogant scum pitbullgirl1965 Aug 2013 #102

Uh, no. aquart Aug 2013 #66

Uh, yes -- Google "Adrian Schoolcraft" n/t markpkessinger Aug 2013 #125

3 words, "Stop and Frisk". nt Live and Learn Aug 2013 #111

What does that mean? It doesn't make any difference eilen Aug 2013 #128

Yes, the local PDs mistreated them in many places. geek tragedy Aug 2013 #78

They weren't 'roughed up' they were brutalized, several nearly killed. To the point sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #85

"two large groups at odds." What two groups? JDPriestly Aug 2013 #139

left alone for 6 months? Huh. Seems to me they were pressured from the very start. AllyCat Aug 2013 #151

Many of them were from other cities. The local residents started to resent them. randome Aug 2013 #157

Oh, people from "somewhere else"! How terrible the locals had to see them. AllyCat Aug 2013 #159

I believe the technical term is "off from here". nt Leopolds Ghost Aug 2013 #165

+1 nt Live and Learn Aug 2013 #11

oddly so-called conservatives claim to want de-centralization Supersedeas Aug 2013 #103

Occupy DC didn't have violence used against it once Recursion Aug 2013 #113

Same with Occupy Eugene exlrrp Aug 2013 #145

You are correct. sagat Aug 2013 #6

You saw a different Occupy movement than I did. Live and Learn Aug 2013 #9

great summary LittleGirl Aug 2013 #14

Absolutely. Occupy lives. Jackpine Radical Aug 2013 #27

+1000!! FirstLight Aug 2013 #35

I was one of many people who couldn't camp out but brought food and supplies Lydia Leftcoast Aug 2013 #37

geographically FirstLight Aug 2013 #41

The police crossed The Wizard Aug 2013 #140

damn skippy FirstLight Aug 2013 #148

Thank you! That was my experience, as well. Luminous Animal Aug 2013 #40

Exactly. That is what a majority of the people around the globe saw. And so did Wall ST sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #44

The camp in San Francisco got infiltrated by the homeless kimbutgar Aug 2013 #57

I saw a tenth of the population of our small southern Oregon WHEN CRABS ROAR Aug 2013 #100

I also saw people beginning to claim public space deutsey Aug 2013 #142

agree, a strong movement can survive FBI infiltration treestar Aug 2013 #20

That would mean something if OWS was not still very much around. What makes you sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #47

In my city, infighting destroyed Occupy.... roseBudd Aug 2013 #26

OWS is not broken up, but the Corporate State drove them off the streets, for now. sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #34

Hired goons? aquart Aug 2013 #62

Tell your story to the tens of thousands of people who have been abused by sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #86

Been to the capitol in Madison, WI? We get arrested for singing in the rotunda AllyCat Aug 2013 #152

So what specifically are they doing TODAY? You speak very well when dealing with the vague... George II Aug 2013 #122

Their most brilliant program so far has been the Student Loan Forgiveness sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #127

Sorry, I just can't stop laughing long enough to read through your entire post...... George II Aug 2013 #169

Thank you once again. You never fail to provide me with Exitibits sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #176

With respect to foreclosures, I think you need to do a little research...... George II Aug 2013 #175

I deal with people, real human beings, they are not statistics. sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #177

You said "Occupy forced banks to stop foreclosing", and I just proved... George II Aug 2013 #178

Rolling Jubilee and Tiny Houses (in Madison, WI). AllyCat Aug 2013 #153

With all due respect, it is clear that you have no real comprehension of what Occupy is. nt Zorra Aug 2013 #56

. Mojorabbit Aug 2013 #72

Poor Media Management As Well... KharmaTrain Aug 2013 #90

Lol, one of the things OWS not only planned for but succeeded beyond sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #116

i dont think you saw. the police beat people up here. They handcuffed epople in a bus and made them robinlynne Aug 2013 #133

Occcupy Los Angeles participant (part-timer) here. In August 2011, the talk among HardTimes99 Aug 2013 #164

It doesn't have to be just one reason starroute Aug 2013 #3

They've been preparing for a repeat of the civil unrest of the 60s for 50 years. Warren Stupidity Aug 2013 #4

Occupy "Anything" cannot be compared to the civil unrest of the 60s... George II Aug 2013 #13

I'm guessing you weren't around for the 60s. Warren Stupidity Aug 2013 #15

I was there mimi85 Aug 2013 #23

Again, not trying to minimize violence but... randome Aug 2013 #24

Many of the protesters in the 60s Live and Learn Aug 2013 #74

I sure as shit was, I was in high school college in the village at the time - from 1963 to 1970! George II Aug 2013 #88

I never said blowing shit up did any good. I said it happened. Warren Stupidity Aug 2013 #105

Occupy activists inhabited a bubble... roseBudd Aug 2013 #30

Zucotti Park? TomClash Aug 2013 #59

Local Occupy activists... roseBudd Aug 2013 #179

How did they lose support? Gee, could it have been the media in some part? AllyCat Aug 2013 #154

Thanks for exhibiting exactly how selfish the park campers were by discounting... roseBudd Aug 2013 #180

The Occupy Movement protests are futile because YOU lost sleep? AllyCat Aug 2013 #181

Clearly you have no idea what the plans for OWS were and are. sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #49

As it turned out, the majority of those "involved" in Occupy Wall Street had no idea of what... George II Aug 2013 #87

And you prove my point again. OWS isn't really interested in people who sit around sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #91

What were their objectives? What where their strategies? What were their long term goals? George II Aug 2013 #96

You mean you don't know the answers to any of those questions? sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #114

Ah, the ol' soft shoe.... George II Aug 2013 #121

Lol, with every comment it is more obvious that you don't have a clue sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #126

Why waste your time arguing with the clueless? Fuddnik Aug 2013 #174

I think that many of these large scale gatherings eilen Aug 2013 #129

You are right. Progressive dog Aug 2013 #170

Think of the modern urban police forces of today, and the terrifying firepower they possess. Flatulo Aug 2013 #82

Bong hits and bongos does not a revolution make. Throd Aug 2013 #7

True....maybe months not weeks, but they imploded from within by watering down the so-called... George II Aug 2013 #17

To Sabrina 1, replying to George II's post: TheJames Aug 2013 #101

Occupy didn't allow its message to be co-opted by the DNC for election purposes. Maedhros Aug 2013 #173

exactly obliviously Aug 2013 #19

In my city, Occupy has a weekly mobile medical clinic, free to any and all. Each Sunday it is Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #36

All well and good, but the "Occupy" moniker is a misnomer...what does "Occupy Medical"..... George II Aug 2013 #89

I'm thinking you "can't get it" George, TheJames Aug 2013 #104

I'm thinking you can't accept that I actually DO "get it", and "Occupy" zealots refuse to admit.... George II Aug 2013 #110

And how about armchair critics who for whatever reason must passionately post over and over and over Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #131

In Minneaopolis, it concentrates on helping people who are being Lydia Leftcoast Aug 2013 #39

That poster will not have the gumption to address either of our posts. Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #50

So true! mimi85 Aug 2013 #43

That came right from Fox ... 'bong hits' lol! sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #52

Yep. nt Demo_Chris Aug 2013 #95

Then you clearly don't know anything about OWS. NuclearDem Aug 2013 #119

Same reason the same bunch of fatcats and their tin Generals did this in '32: leveymg Aug 2013 #8

Exactly. Warren Stupidity Aug 2013 #16

+1 nt TomClash Aug 2013 #60

Dugout Doug sends in the Army warrant46 Aug 2013 #106

That photo says a lot about those who commanded the Bonus Army eviction. leveymg Aug 2013 #108

Shameful use of poison gas see below warrant46 Aug 2013 #115

Arsenic gas used against unarmed demonstrators in Washington, DC. leveymg Aug 2013 #117

Never warrant46 Aug 2013 #118

At the time, they were viewed as heroes by people who were themselves heroic, such as Smedley Butler leveymg Aug 2013 #123

+10,000 TRoN33 Aug 2013 #21

I can only disagree with one word-- "allowed". Marr Aug 2013 #22

Occupy's one achievement was changing the conversation on income inequality roseBudd Aug 2013 #31

What a bunch of nonsense. tritsofme Aug 2013 #25

Of course Congress could adopt similar regulations TomClash Aug 2013 #61

What? MFrohike Aug 2013 #67

Executive agencies cannot police the internal workings of Congress. tritsofme Aug 2013 #73

Thanks MFrohike Aug 2013 #76

I'm not quite sure what your point was. tritsofme Aug 2013 #80

I know MFrohike Aug 2013 #84

Disagree with some of your last paragraph....... socialist_n_TN Aug 2013 #28

K & R !!! WillyT Aug 2013 #29

We need to admit Washington is now located on Wallstreet . orpupilofnature57 Aug 2013 #32

But it goes far beyond Occupy. It is the legacy of the 1%. It is their privilege. geckosfeet Aug 2013 #33

Occupy pointed the finger marions ghost Aug 2013 #38

Yes, we chervilant Aug 2013 #53

Connect marions ghost Aug 2013 #81

Hear! Hear! This IS Occupy's on-going success!... Eleanors38 Aug 2013 #146

General scarcity and energy/environmental crisis also marions ghost Aug 2013 #147

Absolutely correct. JEB Aug 2013 #168

Easier to blame outside force. Occupy dissolved due to a lack of leadership. A choice. Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2013 #45

Sure, those beatings, rubber bullets, pepper sprays, tazings and arrests Live and Learn Aug 2013 #65

Maybe all protests should be scheduled at the beach in good weather, too. aquart Aug 2013 #68

Hanging my head in shame isn't my way. Live and Learn Aug 2013 #70

Maybe... ElboRuum Aug 2013 #120

You should really make that an OP (nt) Recursion Aug 2013 #149

Black rights endured beatings, dogs, bullets, fire hoses. They succeeded because of leadership. nt Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2013 #135

In LA there was determined, repeated police harassement and targeting of activists for repeated Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #132

Occupy still Lives formercia Aug 2013 #46

Dozens of people will be seen today by the Occupy Medical Free Clinic Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #51

This is great. I did not know about this and am looking to see if there is AllyCat Aug 2013 #158

You're talking about a political apparatus that used domestic assassinations to begin villager Aug 2013 #54

OWS was the latest incarnation of the struggle for Economic Justice in America. bvar22 Aug 2013 #58

More and more people are opening their eyes to the power behind the proverbial throne! Dustlawyer Aug 2013 #63

Occupy collapsed because it had no plan to succeed. geek tragedy Aug 2013 #69

I thought repeating untruths over and over to make it sound true was a Republican strategy. Live and Learn Aug 2013 #71

No, it's living in denial and wallowing in absurd conspiracy theories that's a Republican trait. geek tragedy Aug 2013 #77

The United States was formed by anarchism. Live and Learn Aug 2013 #92

Anarchists can own slaves? nt geek tragedy Aug 2013 #98

Apparently they could. What a silly retort. nt Live and Learn Aug 2013 #109

History begs to differ Savannahmann Aug 2013 #97

A howling silence regarding Occupy from the Democratic party was very obvious. Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #75

Watch Barney Frank flap his gums on Real Time. ForgoTheConsequence Aug 2013 #79

k&r Little Star Aug 2013 #83

I do understand - they had the audacity to utter the word "class". TBF Aug 2013 #93

Its interesting reading through the thread quakerboy Aug 2013 #94

+1 nt Live and Learn Aug 2013 #107

S17 notundecided Aug 2013 #112

Indeed...as we get farther from there...more is revealed. KoKo Aug 2013 #99

Precisely correct. JEB Aug 2013 #171

every organization or movement that threatens the status quo has informants madrchsod Aug 2013 #124

Oh really? Who do you think is working on the eilen Aug 2013 #134

Loved Occupy and was down there every chance I got. I donated blankets and chairs, etc. stevenleser Aug 2013 #130

Hillary is one of those that you described. mick063 Aug 2013 #136

The fact that feds were involved is uncontroversial. joshcryer Aug 2013 #137

Yep. Or watch the movie about Occupy where Kevin Zeese takes credit for it n/t Leopolds Ghost Aug 2013 #163

+1000 blackspade Aug 2013 #138

The politicians are errand-boys dreamnightwind Aug 2013 #141

The Politicians are a power unto themselves. Savannahmann Aug 2013 #143

Occupy Wall Street libdude Aug 2013 #144

The movement did die, and painfully so. whoiswithme Aug 2013 #150

I don't want to think it that way. But you make a good point Leopolds Ghost Aug 2013 #160

I still want to know why not just Occupy but two groups I personally voluneer(ed) for Leopolds Ghost Aug 2013 #155

Um, I thought it was because of Spring Break snooper2 Aug 2013 #156

... Leopolds Ghost Aug 2013 #161

Yes! It was perceived as.... N_E_1 for Tennis Aug 2013 #162

Like it or not Cryptoad Aug 2013 #166

Occupy is not broken up. Occupy activities are still going on all over the US. merrily Aug 2013 #167

How are citizens of a country supposed to be heard, felix_numinous Aug 2013 #172