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In reply to the discussion: How can we get a progressive presidential candidate at the top of Democratic ticket in 2016? [View all]TheTruthBeKnown
(72 posts)We had a true progressive in 2000 and his name was Ralph Nader. The other two candidates were feeding from the same corporate trough.
It's sad but Nader can't even be mentioned without people immediately attacking. But those same people vote automatically for democrats like republicans vote for republicans. Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results is a sign of insanity.
Democrats say a vote for Nader was a wasted vote. Nothing could be further from the truth. Voting for Gore instead of for Nader was a wasted vote. Gore wasn't and isn't a progressive. He's a 1%er who is part of the problem. His fortune was made off of tobacco that has killed more people than Hitler, Stalin & Pol Pot combined. But Gore has never given a cent of his inherited tobacco money away to his family's victims. Gore said he stopped growing tobacco after he lost his sister to cancer but until then he didn't care a whit about the millions of others killed by his family's product of death.
Compare Gore's legacy with Nader's. Nader has spent his entire life working for people and justice. He tried to make our lives better. Virtually all of the money he makes goes to the many public service organizations. Nader lives what he preaches. He doesn't have an obsession with wealth. But regardless of his lifelong of service including product saftey laws that have saved the lives of people, many who are in this forum, Nader with be met with knee jerk reactions of condemnation for merely exercising his constitutional rights.
Lastly, Nader didn't give us Bush in 2000. Gore did. He failed to even debate Bush and while watching the debates with other progressives we all thought the same thing, was this election fixed from the start.
If you remember, the Commission on Presidential Debates CPD refused to allow Nader to debate. They were so terrified of a real progressive debating or even being close to the debates that Nader was threatened with arrest if he even tried to get close to a debate viewing room on the campus that wasn't even close to the actual debate. The CPD is a corrupt organization made up of TWO people, one democrat and one republican. The entire intent of the CPD is to exclude anyone who isn't a corporate whore.
If Nader was 'allowed' to debate he would've made Bush a national laughingstock and ironically Gore would've been the beneficiary of even more votes, enough votes to avoid a close election and have SCOTUS steal the election. But even when Florida vote was being stolen Gore made another colossal blunder by only requesting a recount of a few counties instead of the entire state. Had he done that he would've become president.
I mentioned the above because even if a REAL progressive ran in 2016 would supposed progressives vote for that person or will they merely act like sheep and vote democratic again and again and again?