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Xithras

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8. Electronic voting can happen in a secure and trustworthy way.

Mon Aug 26, 2013, 05:43 PM

Aug 2013

The problem with our current system is that our election equipment and software are designed by private corporations that get to hide their source code from the public, feeding data into other proprietary systems designed by private contractors who lack any accountability.

E-voting can happen in a trustworthy way if it is accompanied by transparency and openness. Our current e-voting schemes lack both.

Every line of every bit of software used on our vote counting and recording machines should be available to the public. The databases storing the vote data should be publicly readable in real-time. Our current system is corrupt only because we give the fraudsters so many dark corners to hide in.

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We Need Online Voting [View all] TheTruthBeKnown Aug 2013 OP

Yeah, not at this point NV Whino Aug 2013 #1

Thing is, we trust the banks not to screw with the data after it gets there mindwalker_i Aug 2013 #2

So, financially well off people with computers and internet vote on line... brooklynite Aug 2013 #52

The poor, the elderly, and other disadvantaged groups Tanuki Aug 2013 #3

I couldn't disagree more. We need paper ballots, hand counted, in public, cameras rolling. Scuba Aug 2013 #4

^^^Thread Win^^^ Wilms Aug 2013 #5

Electronic voting can happen in a secure and trustworthy way. Xithras Aug 2013 #8

Why not paper, hand counted, in public, cameras rolling? What's wrong with that? Scuba Aug 2013 #9

230 million Xithras Aug 2013 #11

I don't buy it. The cameras would provide a record that could be checked for accuracy ... Scuba Aug 2013 #16

Only if it's poorly written. Xithras Aug 2013 #27

"Well written, well documented code can actually be read and verified ..." Yes, if you can find it. Scuba Aug 2013 #29

Nothing wrong with paper. Xithras Aug 2013 #60

You keep going back to code as if only programs matter. What if Cisco hides code in their routers? Scuba Aug 2013 #61

Well... Xithras Aug 2013 #67

So if time to vote is your concern, recommend you advocate for expanded ... Scuba Aug 2013 #69

Much better system, wild bird Aug 2013 #17

That's what we've got in the UK dipsydoodle Aug 2013 #64

You missed part of my OP TheTruthBeKnown Aug 2013 #10

Proof of who you voted for causes another problem: votes for sale. Scuba Aug 2013 #13

Similar systems have been proposed in the past. Xithras Aug 2013 #19

Anything else is tyranny Warpy Aug 2013 #12

Bingo! City Lights Aug 2013 #22

+ struggle4progress Aug 2013 #28

we don't have a secure voting system as it is marions ghost Aug 2013 #6

Where's the current online voting? TheTruthBeKnown Aug 2013 #15

Let's go back 5000 years & eliminate all progress TheTruthBeKnown Aug 2013 #20

you're asking for a paper trail, yet you want it online CreekDog Aug 2013 #24

Ridiculous marions ghost Aug 2013 #30

Paper ballots were used throughout much of this country . . . markpkessinger Aug 2013 #40

We need it only if you want to permanently destroy democracy eridani Aug 2013 #7

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ marions ghost Aug 2013 #33

Except that you're wrong on your very first point. Ms. Toad Aug 2013 #50

The company formerly known as Diebold bragged about its open source ATMs eridani Aug 2013 #56

I can think of three letters why this is a very bad idea. wild bird Aug 2013 #14

That's enough marions ghost Aug 2013 #31

Thank you for the welcome. wild bird Aug 2013 #39

I agree customerserviceguy Aug 2013 #18

Not a single voting machine of any kind in my State. What we prefer is voter access to voting. Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #38

You make my point customerserviceguy Aug 2013 #62

People only wait in line for hours in places with morons in charge. LeftyMom Aug 2013 #21

why do you want to change my voting? i don't wait in line and i have a paper trail CreekDog Aug 2013 #23

Debra Bowen did a good job fighting the elecronic voting machine demon. hunter Aug 2013 #47

She really did. I'm very happy with her and glad I voted for her. CreekDog Aug 2013 #55

wrong..."proof" of who you voted for is not proof that is for whom the vote was counted nt msongs Aug 2013 #25

Exactly . . . markpkessinger Aug 2013 #37

how many accounts did you use simultaneously on DU? CreekDog Aug 2013 #26

Ahh, you also have the feeling we've met this person before. Hekate Aug 2013 #45

He joined in 2004, had 24 posts until the past two weeks, in which he had 48 posts CreekDog Aug 2013 #68

What do other countries do? Does it work anywhere else? Freddie Aug 2013 #32

You're so right TheTruthBeKnown Aug 2013 #34

But you did not answer the question. The answer is no, other nations do not vote on line. Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #36

Now, the truth is known. pintobean Aug 2013 #49

In Oregon we vote by mail, we have a paper trail, we have Zero lines, no waiting and you get to Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #35

Please name the countries that are using online voting n/t markpkessinger Aug 2013 #41

No way! Mail-in paper ballots are the best way to go. It's easy; you can put them pnwmom Aug 2013 #42

I'd be much happier if there were tougher mandatory audits in OR and WA eridani Aug 2013 #57

What could possibly go wrong? Throd Aug 2013 #43

What could possibly go wrong inside that black box? Hekate Aug 2013 #44

Oh bloody hell damned no! We do not need online voting. hunter Aug 2013 #46

Hell no to Online Voting! William769 Aug 2013 #48

Nope, sorry. Just no. PDJane Aug 2013 #51

No Thanks..Credit Card's are Stolen and NSA is Hoovering our Info... KoKo Aug 2013 #53

Verifiable Paper Ballots...Hand Counted.... My Vote is too Sacred to Me. KoKo Aug 2013 #54

If you have your credit card stolen, that is a fixable problem eridani Aug 2013 #58

If you're going to do that, moondust Aug 2013 #59

Put the voting machines on the moon Shankapotomus Aug 2013 #63

Hackers- so NO.China hacked the CIA for 30 seconds under bush- so NO there is not secure online vote barbiegeek Aug 2013 #65

If they could make it more interesting. Like when married people........... nolabels Aug 2013 #66