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markpkessinger

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37. Exactly . . .

Mon Aug 26, 2013, 07:18 PM

Aug 2013

. . . a voting system that can be hacked to change a vote can also be hacked to produce a voting receipt that shows something different.

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We Need Online Voting [View all] TheTruthBeKnown Aug 2013 OP

Yeah, not at this point NV Whino Aug 2013 #1

Thing is, we trust the banks not to screw with the data after it gets there mindwalker_i Aug 2013 #2

So, financially well off people with computers and internet vote on line... brooklynite Aug 2013 #52

The poor, the elderly, and other disadvantaged groups Tanuki Aug 2013 #3

I couldn't disagree more. We need paper ballots, hand counted, in public, cameras rolling. Scuba Aug 2013 #4

^^^Thread Win^^^ Wilms Aug 2013 #5

Electronic voting can happen in a secure and trustworthy way. Xithras Aug 2013 #8

Why not paper, hand counted, in public, cameras rolling? What's wrong with that? Scuba Aug 2013 #9

230 million Xithras Aug 2013 #11

I don't buy it. The cameras would provide a record that could be checked for accuracy ... Scuba Aug 2013 #16

Only if it's poorly written. Xithras Aug 2013 #27

"Well written, well documented code can actually be read and verified ..." Yes, if you can find it. Scuba Aug 2013 #29

Nothing wrong with paper. Xithras Aug 2013 #60

You keep going back to code as if only programs matter. What if Cisco hides code in their routers? Scuba Aug 2013 #61

Well... Xithras Aug 2013 #67

So if time to vote is your concern, recommend you advocate for expanded ... Scuba Aug 2013 #69

Much better system, wild bird Aug 2013 #17

That's what we've got in the UK dipsydoodle Aug 2013 #64

You missed part of my OP TheTruthBeKnown Aug 2013 #10

Proof of who you voted for causes another problem: votes for sale. Scuba Aug 2013 #13

Similar systems have been proposed in the past. Xithras Aug 2013 #19

Anything else is tyranny Warpy Aug 2013 #12

Bingo! City Lights Aug 2013 #22

+ struggle4progress Aug 2013 #28

we don't have a secure voting system as it is marions ghost Aug 2013 #6

Where's the current online voting? TheTruthBeKnown Aug 2013 #15

Let's go back 5000 years & eliminate all progress TheTruthBeKnown Aug 2013 #20

you're asking for a paper trail, yet you want it online CreekDog Aug 2013 #24

Ridiculous marions ghost Aug 2013 #30

Paper ballots were used throughout much of this country . . . markpkessinger Aug 2013 #40

We need it only if you want to permanently destroy democracy eridani Aug 2013 #7

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ marions ghost Aug 2013 #33

Except that you're wrong on your very first point. Ms. Toad Aug 2013 #50

The company formerly known as Diebold bragged about its open source ATMs eridani Aug 2013 #56

I can think of three letters why this is a very bad idea. wild bird Aug 2013 #14

That's enough marions ghost Aug 2013 #31

Thank you for the welcome. wild bird Aug 2013 #39

I agree customerserviceguy Aug 2013 #18

Not a single voting machine of any kind in my State. What we prefer is voter access to voting. Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #38

You make my point customerserviceguy Aug 2013 #62

People only wait in line for hours in places with morons in charge. LeftyMom Aug 2013 #21

why do you want to change my voting? i don't wait in line and i have a paper trail CreekDog Aug 2013 #23

Debra Bowen did a good job fighting the elecronic voting machine demon. hunter Aug 2013 #47

She really did. I'm very happy with her and glad I voted for her. CreekDog Aug 2013 #55

wrong..."proof" of who you voted for is not proof that is for whom the vote was counted nt msongs Aug 2013 #25

Exactly . . . markpkessinger Aug 2013 #37

how many accounts did you use simultaneously on DU? CreekDog Aug 2013 #26

Ahh, you also have the feeling we've met this person before. Hekate Aug 2013 #45

He joined in 2004, had 24 posts until the past two weeks, in which he had 48 posts CreekDog Aug 2013 #68

What do other countries do? Does it work anywhere else? Freddie Aug 2013 #32

You're so right TheTruthBeKnown Aug 2013 #34

But you did not answer the question. The answer is no, other nations do not vote on line. Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #36

Now, the truth is known. pintobean Aug 2013 #49

In Oregon we vote by mail, we have a paper trail, we have Zero lines, no waiting and you get to Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #35

Please name the countries that are using online voting n/t markpkessinger Aug 2013 #41

No way! Mail-in paper ballots are the best way to go. It's easy; you can put them pnwmom Aug 2013 #42

I'd be much happier if there were tougher mandatory audits in OR and WA eridani Aug 2013 #57

What could possibly go wrong? Throd Aug 2013 #43

What could possibly go wrong inside that black box? Hekate Aug 2013 #44

Oh bloody hell damned no! We do not need online voting. hunter Aug 2013 #46

Hell no to Online Voting! William769 Aug 2013 #48

Nope, sorry. Just no. PDJane Aug 2013 #51

No Thanks..Credit Card's are Stolen and NSA is Hoovering our Info... KoKo Aug 2013 #53

Verifiable Paper Ballots...Hand Counted.... My Vote is too Sacred to Me. KoKo Aug 2013 #54

If you have your credit card stolen, that is a fixable problem eridani Aug 2013 #58

If you're going to do that, moondust Aug 2013 #59

Put the voting machines on the moon Shankapotomus Aug 2013 #63

Hackers- so NO.China hacked the CIA for 30 seconds under bush- so NO there is not secure online vote barbiegeek Aug 2013 #65

If they could make it more interesting. Like when married people........... nolabels Aug 2013 #66