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Major Nikon

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23. This is a fundamental misunderstanding of the bill

Sun Dec 18, 2011, 06:09 AM

Dec 2011

First of all, what you're quoting on 1031 is actually in paragraph (e), so I assume you're referencing a previous version. The language is the same.

Next, 1031(e), AKA the Feinstein amendment is meaningless as to whether US citizens can be indefinitely detained without trial, as is section 1032.

What people need to understand is there simply is no exemptions for the indefinite detention of US citizens in this bill. If you think there is, you've been led down the primrose path.

The wiki article adds a lot of good information on the subject as does the ACLU and several other sources.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Defense_Authorization_Act_for_Fiscal_Year_2012

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Obama, Congress Back Legalization of a Police State [View all] NorthCarolina Dec 2011 OP

They forgot that Obama also kicks puppies competitively for distance ... JoePhilly Dec 2011 #1

.!. StarsInHerHair Dec 2011 #2

To somehow find humor in the passage of this legislation is quite repulsive. NorthCarolina Dec 2011 #4

you realize what that bird meant, it is NOT humorous, I am disgusted at the 'humor' of 1st reply StarsInHerHair Dec 2011 #5

So am I. NorthCarolina Dec 2011 #6

Let me help you ... JoePhilly Dec 2011 #11

I have a cactus you can use as a couch StarsInHerHair Dec 2011 #18

That would have been funnier if you included a picture .... like this ... JoePhilly Dec 2011 #29

Very nice touch, Joe. Webster Green Dec 2011 #22

Nice language you used there. You talk like that in real life or only on the internet? JoePhilly Dec 2011 #28

Just like to point out the obvious Joe, you complain about the 10-20 OP's now justiceischeap Dec 2011 #30

Your first sentence explains my first post. eom. JoePhilly Dec 2011 #31

Really? The "F" word offends you? I guess you might put your couch to good use yourself. Webster Green Dec 2011 #33

Actually, the F word does not offend me at all ... here ... JoePhilly Dec 2011 #37

WTF?! Webster Green Dec 2011 #38

Beautiful - thank you! treestar Dec 2011 #24

Right. Police states are an impossibility. Webster Green Dec 2011 #26

The humor is in the fact that it is NOT true. American citizens are exempt from indefinite detention FarLeftFist Dec 2011 #17

Well as long as it's just foreigners getting thrown in jail without due process neverforget Dec 2011 #20

Well that clears it all up. A Simple Game Jan 2012 #39

Link please postulater Dec 2011 #3

I think it is pretty obvious ... that the puppy ... JoePhilly Dec 2011 #8

Actually, ProSense Dec 2011 #7

The President could easily end this confusion by insisting that the bill's wording be made clear. rhett o rick Dec 2011 #12

Honestly, it says it plain and clear, it's not worded that difficult. Do you want me to show you? FarLeftFist Dec 2011 #16

No ProSense Dec 2011 #19

All I am asking is for him to tell the American people that it is not legal to arrest rhett o rick Dec 2011 #34

And if he would just produce his birth certificate, he could lay that one to rest, too treestar Dec 2011 #25

Of course you know it does nothing of the sort bhikkhu Dec 2011 #9

Which means it is authorized for the President to arrest and detain w/o due process rhett o rick Dec 2011 #13

NO, not "enemy combatants", those WORKING FOR AL-QAEDA. And it has to be proven to a judge. FarLeftFist Dec 2011 #15

An "impartial judge"? What about an impartial jury of your peers? nt NorthCarolina Dec 2011 #27

Bush did it with Jose Padilla and the last I heard, the courts said the he had the authority to do rhett o rick Dec 2011 #35

I still can't believe I am seeing this country turn into some sort of Orwellian nightmare. Justice wanted Dec 2011 #10

The Bill DOES NOT extend to U.S. citizens UNLESS you are found guilty by a judge on counts of FarLeftFist Dec 2011 #14

Where did you get that? nm rhett o rick Dec 2011 #36

Section 1031 states.... AZ Progressive Dec 2011 #21

This is a fundamental misunderstanding of the bill Major Nikon Dec 2011 #23

+1 n/t Laelth Dec 2011 #32