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51. I was arguing with everyone above. Not just you.

Mon Aug 26, 2013, 10:31 PM

Aug 2013

They want to believe he's following the game plan on Iraq without knowing anything about his work the last 8 years to KEEP the US from going in to Syria the way Bushes and Clintons and establishment DC wanted back in 2005.

Seriously, NONE of them know anything about Syria or the last 8years, and it's frustrating to listen to their assessments based on the news reports from the last month.

The whole picture tells a completely different story.

Yes, Obama made an ENORMOUS screw up in regards to Syria - He should NEVER have tapped Hillary Clinton to be Sec of State - she had been committed to war in Syria since, at least, 2005, and probably as long as Bush and Cheney.

That we haven't gone to war in Syria the last 8 years has been because of Kerry's personal efforts and investment in the peace process.

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Our very selective outrage over "moral obscenities" [View all] markpkessinger Aug 2013 OP

You haven't been paying attention to Syria or Kerry's efforts there to prevent blm Aug 2013 #1

I don't believe that I am off base . . . markpkessinger Aug 2013 #2

No, he isn't. PDJane Aug 2013 #3

Thank you . . . markpkessinger Aug 2013 #10

Alas, some of you have no memories regarding Syria. blm Aug 2013 #14

What he did as a Senator . . . markpkessinger Aug 2013 #16

The point is that NEITHER men wanted this and they are NOT manufacturing blm Aug 2013 #22

Then why have they not made a similar case to invade Egypt? markpkessinger Aug 2013 #23

You're reaching. Egypt had an election last year. blm Aug 2013 #35

Yes, it had an election . . . markpkessinger Aug 2013 #43

Baloney - you wanted to know what the difference was. It is clear. blm Aug 2013 #76

So why do you think Kerry has changed his mind now? sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #50

The scope of this last attack is not one that can be ignored karynnj Aug 2013 #65

Was he repulsed by the use of White Phosphorous in Fallujah? I know I was sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #67

Kerry has spoken against things the US did karynnj Aug 2013 #70

Because Assad has grown increasingly paranoid the last 2yrs. blm Aug 2013 #86

And you didn't even read before you posted. blm Aug 2013 #24

He has only been Secretary of State since January n/t markpkessinger Aug 2013 #25

Exactly. He began interfering back in 2005 when Bush/Clintons wanted blm Aug 2013 #28

That may all well be . . . markpkessinger Aug 2013 #30

As an HONEST BROKER, mark. This isn't happening based on blm Aug 2013 #36

We don't KNOW who is responsible for the attack . . . markpkessinger Aug 2013 #38

Yes, we DON'T know. Kerry would be the first told by UN inspectors blm Aug 2013 #41

As for being an "honest broker" . . . markpkessinger Aug 2013 #42

If this story really matters to you, then you'll blm Aug 2013 #48

you're the one who knows absolutely nothing whatsofuckingever about Syria cali Aug 2013 #73

I absolutely posted support. Who do YOU think has kept blm Aug 2013 #75

Note that his comment re DWB did not assign blame - just that there was an attack karynnj Aug 2013 #66

And you haven't addressed the central question posed by the OP . . . markpkessinger Aug 2013 #26

I don't know. I do know that Kerry is an honest broker in this, and for blm Aug 2013 #32

Sounds like a gloss on . . . markpkessinger Aug 2013 #34

BS. I know a helluva lot about Syria because I've followed it blm Aug 2013 #37

First you criticize the media coverage of the NSA leaks OnyxCollie Aug 2013 #60

Try reading up on Kerry's work in Syria to AVOID war blm Aug 2013 #78

+1000. the adorers mindlessly go with the "trust them" shit. cali Aug 2013 #74

Based on the FACTS of his work in Syria the last 8yrs blm Aug 2013 #87

I disagree. R. Daneel Olivaw Aug 2013 #56

As a member of the Cabinet . . . markpkessinger Aug 2013 #57

Yes he is. Kerry's been trying to stop war in Syria PERSONALLY since 2005 blm Aug 2013 #12

None of that addresses the selective nature of his moral outrage . . . markpkessinger Aug 2013 #13

Baloney. You had no clue about Kerry's efforts before you judged his words. blm Aug 2013 #46

blm, thank you PowerToThePeople Aug 2013 #63

Thank you. Once people research the last 8years, they would see blm Aug 2013 #79

Most people posting about this really don't care, they are just looking for any anti-administration snooper2 Aug 2013 #81

Kerry has issued statements on many many things that he has thought were wrong karynnj Aug 2013 #68

My opinion on Kerry's role re: Syria has shifted along with Kerry's role. He's no longer the leveymg Aug 2013 #33

OK - you're all right. Kerry cooked the intel to go to war. blm Aug 2013 #39

I didn't say Kerry personally cooked the intel and I'm sure he wouldn't describe Assad as a personal leveymg Aug 2013 #44

I was arguing with everyone above. Not just you. blm Aug 2013 #51

All true. But, he appears to have, in the end, come over to the War Party. leveymg Aug 2013 #52

Sad truth is that they left a clusterfvck in Syria because blm Aug 2013 #80

Good question! I wrote about the moral obscenity that Kerry snappyturtle Aug 2013 #4

Exactly n/t markpkessinger Aug 2013 #5

I thought this would be a Miley thread. I'm out. Throd Aug 2013 #6

I have barely a passing knowledge of who Miley Cirus even is . . . markpkessinger Aug 2013 #7

Unfortunately vapid poop-culture worship leads to apathy about your OP Throd Aug 2013 #11

Creepy how Obama just asked for immunity for war criminals leftstreet Aug 2013 #8

Isn't it, though? n/t markpkessinger Aug 2013 #9

The President didn't "ask" for any such thing. Seeking Serenity Aug 2013 #15

I think leftstreet is referring to this: markpkessinger Aug 2013 #17

That's a civil lawsuit Seeking Serenity Aug 2013 #20

"when acting in the scope of their duties" . . . markpkessinger Aug 2013 #21

Guess you're kinda right - the DOJ did n/t leftstreet Aug 2013 #18

Of course that applies to 99% of all Common Dreams Crap. FSogol Aug 2013 #19

If we are going to make killing legal during war, then we better enforce the law. reusrename Aug 2013 #29

+1000 n/t markpkessinger Aug 2013 #61

What is really obscene about this call to arms that it probably won't have the announced effect, leveymg Aug 2013 #27

Precisely n/t markpkessinger Aug 2013 #31

Nobody does moral obscenity like our MIC government. n/t Catherina Aug 2013 #40

Indeed! n/t markpkessinger Aug 2013 #45

Has Kerry ever said anything about the 'moral obscenity' of Bush's use of sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #47

Very good question . . . markpkessinger Aug 2013 #49

Maybe you should listen to this -- where he calls the Iraq War "immoral" karynnj Aug 2013 #71

He called the Iraq war immoral karynnj Aug 2013 #69

Yet he continued to vote to fund it. sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #72

He voted to attach a version of Kerry/Feingold - Reid/Feingold to the funding in 2007 karynnj Aug 2013 #82

You're right. We only have two choices: Do EVERYTHING or NOTHING at all railsback Aug 2013 #53

As I said, our outrage over "kids getting gassed" is very, very selective - and hypocritical n/t markpkessinger Aug 2013 #54

Well, like you said, we shouldn't do anything railsback Aug 2013 #58

Right. And being gassed is so much worse than being killed by a drone strike. markpkessinger Aug 2013 #55

K&R DeSwiss Aug 2013 #59

But at least we didn't use CHEMICALS!!! drokhole Aug 2013 #64

Biggest problem i have with this OP are the assumptions Sheepshank Aug 2013 #62

BBC included the comment G_j Aug 2013 #77

I agree that WMD use is a special circumstance. I support the UN and other countries dealing with it stevenleser Aug 2013 #83

Every situation in every ME country is exactly the same ... JoePhilly Aug 2013 #84

agree. Our foreign policy is a grotesque masquerade. librechik Aug 2013 #85