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In reply to the discussion: Syria's Assad and regime DESERVE everything they're about to get from the U.S. And the West [View all]The Straight Story
(48,121 posts)63. Yes, I have. Which is why we should pay attention here. Who does Syria hate?
Like many in the ME they are not too fond of Israel.
And if they are willing to use such weapons on their own rebels what is to prevent them from doing what some other countries in that region want to do and expanding to what they see as a common enemy?
Why are you telling your story to the Israeli media? Do you wish to convey a message to the government in Jerusalem?
We do it so that you bomb Assads palace, Amar quips. But seriously now: Im not a captive of the myth that Jews run the world and America, but Israel does have power and influence. We are engaged in a public relations campaign worldwide to put Bashar Assad on trial for crimes against humanity and for war crimes. If Israel supports the move, it would be greatly helpful.
The Syrian opposition and Israel share a joint interest. We have no ideological hatred for Israel or for Jews. I know thats what you think, but its not the case. Its true that for years they taught us to hate Israel and fight is, but many Syrians already realized that they are being taught to hate Israel to divert attention away from the oppression in the country. We realized that Assad senior and junior educated people to hate Israel in order to stay in power; to blind us with hate for Israel so that we dont channel our energies to the fact that we live with no freedom or future.
This is over. People got it. Assad still has his supporters, the Alawites who depend on him, because if he falls they will fall too. Yet among other groups, and there are very diverse ethnic groups in Syria, he lost support. In the army too there are thousands of defectors by now, and they left with their weapons. They are hiding away, getting organized, and at the right moment they will act.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4168102,00.html
2. The Syrian regime (not the people) supports Iran, Hamas, and Hezbollah. All of these organizations are on the terrorist organizations list. All of them want to kill Americans. Syria was a part of the Axis of Evil, along with Iran and North Korea. They support nuclear arms in Iran and North Korea. This is bad news for everyone.
3. Syria allowed Hezbollah and other terrorists to cross into Iraq to kill American troops. This in itself is enough! They also provided training to these terrorist on how to attack American troops in Iraq.
4. Syria supports Iran. The highly anti-American regime in Iran has one single friend in the Middle East. That friend is Syria. If the Syrian regime is ousted, and a new regime takes over, Iran will lose it's legitimacy and power. Iran stands against our efforts in Iraq and Afghanistan. Iran stands against democracy and freedom. Iran has a nuclear weapons program. We do not want Iran to have more clout and more power in teh Middle East. A new regime in Syria is unlikely to be as friendly with Iran.
5. Syria is a sworn enemy of the United States and Israel. When our close ally and friend Mubarak was coming under pressure to resign, we quickly asked him to go. But when a sworn enemy, in Assad, comes under pressure we allow him to do as he pleases? This makes no sense and is a contradictory policy. Assad needs to go. The sooner, the better. The United States needs to have clear objectives and clear goals. We support freedom and democracy. We abhor despotism and oppression.
6. The terrorist organization Hamas has a headquarters in Damascus with the blessing of Assad. This is insane. Why harbor terrorists?
7. Syria already had a nuclear weapons program that was destroyed by Israel in a bombing raid in 2008. They have already acquired nuclear technology once, there is no doubt that they have re-acquired this technology. And are willing to use it.
8. Syria is using its army to demolish entire villages and cities. Incessant shelling, tanks, helicopter gunships, fighter jets are all being used to attack crowds of civilians chanting "Freedom, freedom, peace, peace." This is insane. Over 10,000 people have been killed (that are accounted for) and the true numbers are likely triple that figure.
http://americansyrians.com/syria/page/Why-Syria-Matters.aspx
3. Syria allowed Hezbollah and other terrorists to cross into Iraq to kill American troops. This in itself is enough! They also provided training to these terrorist on how to attack American troops in Iraq.
4. Syria supports Iran. The highly anti-American regime in Iran has one single friend in the Middle East. That friend is Syria. If the Syrian regime is ousted, and a new regime takes over, Iran will lose it's legitimacy and power. Iran stands against our efforts in Iraq and Afghanistan. Iran stands against democracy and freedom. Iran has a nuclear weapons program. We do not want Iran to have more clout and more power in teh Middle East. A new regime in Syria is unlikely to be as friendly with Iran.
5. Syria is a sworn enemy of the United States and Israel. When our close ally and friend Mubarak was coming under pressure to resign, we quickly asked him to go. But when a sworn enemy, in Assad, comes under pressure we allow him to do as he pleases? This makes no sense and is a contradictory policy. Assad needs to go. The sooner, the better. The United States needs to have clear objectives and clear goals. We support freedom and democracy. We abhor despotism and oppression.
6. The terrorist organization Hamas has a headquarters in Damascus with the blessing of Assad. This is insane. Why harbor terrorists?
7. Syria already had a nuclear weapons program that was destroyed by Israel in a bombing raid in 2008. They have already acquired nuclear technology once, there is no doubt that they have re-acquired this technology. And are willing to use it.
8. Syria is using its army to demolish entire villages and cities. Incessant shelling, tanks, helicopter gunships, fighter jets are all being used to attack crowds of civilians chanting "Freedom, freedom, peace, peace." This is insane. Over 10,000 people have been killed (that are accounted for) and the true numbers are likely triple that figure.
http://americansyrians.com/syria/page/Why-Syria-Matters.aspx
SO you have a guy in power who hates Israel, will use chemical weapons on his own people to stay in power, and is right next door to Israel.
You think he will stop? That he will just give up power? Word is Israeli's are already stocking up on gas masks.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/08/26/us-israel-syria-chemical-warfare-idUSBRE97P0NP20130826
Now maybe you think he will play all nice and not try to finish what Hitler started, but I don't trust him - especially now.
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Syria's Assad and regime DESERVE everything they're about to get from the U.S. And the West [View all]
Pretzel_Warrior
Aug 2013
OP
That will be determined in due course, but I am certain rebels don't have access to his chemical
Pretzel_Warrior
Aug 2013
#3
The opposition has also used chemical weapons. And, they do have access to the crude rockets
leveymg
Aug 2013
#14
The weight of evidence points in the other direction, toward a particularly terrible provocation
leveymg
Aug 2013
#10
In the absence of proof of who did it, and since it was obviously not in the interest of Assad to do
leveymg
Aug 2013
#26
Oh please. You and the OP are going to compare an internal civil war inside Syria with the
HardTimes99
Aug 2013
#46
Have you studied the Holocaust or history of Nazi Germany much? If so, you'd understand
HardTimes99
Aug 2013
#57
Systematic killing is systematic killing. Prior to this being a civil war, protesters were being
Pretzel_Warrior
Aug 2013
#60
You're being disingenuous in the extreme about your point in bringing up the Holocaust. This is
HardTimes99
Aug 2013
#72
You said it was "systematic killing". Which facility were the victims shipped to...
MNBrewer
Aug 2013
#191
Yes, I have. Which is why we should pay attention here. Who does Syria hate?
The Straight Story
Aug 2013
#63
Oh, for Christ's sake, you're arguing that b/c Assad allegedly used CBW on his own people, nothing
HardTimes99
Aug 2013
#68
Not a big fan of Occam's Razor, are you? You just showed me everything I need to know
Pretzel_Warrior
Aug 2013
#74
And I'm attempting to reason with someone who practices neo-McCarthyism and
HardTimes99
Aug 2013
#75
Report: North Korea attempted to export gas masks to Syria; shipment was seized in Turkey
The Straight Story
Aug 2013
#82
As mentioned before: chemical attack, not to mention China and Russia
The Straight Story
Aug 2013
#109
Well, let's see. When the U.S. picks sides in other nation's civil wars, we seem
HardTimes99
Aug 2013
#127
What exactly are they about to get? And how many Syrians will get it along with Assad and regime?
rug
Aug 2013
#9
I guess he means the Christians and the Alawites are going to get the ass kicking of their life
Douglas Carpenter
Aug 2013
#40
I hope they are ready, because that's who is really going to suffer when this ends badly
MNBrewer
Aug 2013
#192
Best response of this thread. OP is a chickenhawk, sounds like, and badly in need of
HardTimes99
Aug 2013
#21
Godwin's Law right in the OP. Whoo-hoo! Wonder what all those dead and wounded Syrian women
HardTimes99
Aug 2013
#17
The freed slaves of the American Civil War might take issue with your sentiments, as might those
HardTimes99
Aug 2013
#33
War and violence does not happen to the "regime." It happens to the people. (nt)
enough
Aug 2013
#24
Is israel going to be helping out with this 'DESERVE everything they're about to get' operation?
Purveyor
Aug 2013
#32
Bingo! Cui bono? I ask. Why does this remind me of Iraqi soldiers ripping Kuwaiti babies from
HardTimes99
Aug 2013
#37
Oh, don't listen to these humanitarian purists, who think those rights belong to them exclusively
railsback
Aug 2013
#34
Yeah, you know, all those saying we shouldn't get involved. Let the death continue
railsback
Aug 2013
#52
That would seem to be the 'I got my humanitarian rights, the rest can go to Hell' meme
railsback
Aug 2013
#70
That comes from our selective outrage at atrocities. Murder by chemical weapons BAD!
neverforget
Aug 2013
#77
Why do you support Al Qaida? You're either with Assad or you're with Al Qaida - nt
HardTimes99
Aug 2013
#79
Is U.S. Preparing invasion force? No. Using 9/11 and al queda as pretext? No.
Pretzel_Warrior
Aug 2013
#54
A) I found no articles on their "Syria" position and B) Obama doesn't report to them and
Pretzel_Warrior
Aug 2013
#69
And C, Syria has been in the list of targets for regime change since 1998
nadinbrzezinski
Aug 2013
#71
Maybe we need leaders who have the "luxury" to stay out of other peoples civil wars.
Tierra_y_Libertad
Aug 2013
#56
The question isn't whether the victims are false, but whether the "flag" is false
MNBrewer
Aug 2013
#205
And if Obama doesn't bomb you'll be calling him a holocaust appeaser, of course.
cthulu2016
Aug 2013
#92
what a mindbogglingly ridiculous post. Seriously, you sound like you're about 14. Are you?
bowens43
Aug 2013
#111
The OP is only interested in making neo-McCarthyite chickenshit slurs against
HardTimes99
Aug 2013
#129
Obama is not bush there will be no going in with guns blazing to give them what they deserve.
Autumn
Aug 2013
#128
That one is not right wing, its pro-just-war and sensible and pragmatic and centrist!
bobduca
Aug 2013
#143
this inelegant OP seems to have crossed the line even for the NSA/WAR/DLC backers.
bobduca
Aug 2013
#142
If you think the concentration camps were any part of why we joined the Allies, you are
Bluenorthwest
Aug 2013
#146
Heard your same bullshit all before. Before Vietnam, before Iraq. It's like deja vu all over again.
Zorra
Aug 2013
#162
So since you are not a 'peace purist' do you prefer 'War Monger' or 'War Pimp' ?
Bluenorthwest
Aug 2013
#178
Actually, Republicans at the time were isolationists and opposed "Roosevelt's War"
Agnosticsherbet
Aug 2013
#179