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karynnj

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71. Maybe you should listen to this -- where he calls the Iraq War "immoral"

Tue Aug 27, 2013, 12:51 AM

Aug 2013

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This is when a very good MA friend remarked to me that this was a real sign that he did not intend to run in 2008 -- you can't go back after saying "immoral".

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Our very selective outrage over "moral obscenities" [View all] markpkessinger Aug 2013 OP

You haven't been paying attention to Syria or Kerry's efforts there to prevent blm Aug 2013 #1

I don't believe that I am off base . . . markpkessinger Aug 2013 #2

No, he isn't. PDJane Aug 2013 #3

Thank you . . . markpkessinger Aug 2013 #10

Alas, some of you have no memories regarding Syria. blm Aug 2013 #14

What he did as a Senator . . . markpkessinger Aug 2013 #16

The point is that NEITHER men wanted this and they are NOT manufacturing blm Aug 2013 #22

Then why have they not made a similar case to invade Egypt? markpkessinger Aug 2013 #23

You're reaching. Egypt had an election last year. blm Aug 2013 #35

Yes, it had an election . . . markpkessinger Aug 2013 #43

Baloney - you wanted to know what the difference was. It is clear. blm Aug 2013 #76

So why do you think Kerry has changed his mind now? sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #50

The scope of this last attack is not one that can be ignored karynnj Aug 2013 #65

Was he repulsed by the use of White Phosphorous in Fallujah? I know I was sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #67

Kerry has spoken against things the US did karynnj Aug 2013 #70

Because Assad has grown increasingly paranoid the last 2yrs. blm Aug 2013 #86

And you didn't even read before you posted. blm Aug 2013 #24

He has only been Secretary of State since January n/t markpkessinger Aug 2013 #25

Exactly. He began interfering back in 2005 when Bush/Clintons wanted blm Aug 2013 #28

That may all well be . . . markpkessinger Aug 2013 #30

As an HONEST BROKER, mark. This isn't happening based on blm Aug 2013 #36

We don't KNOW who is responsible for the attack . . . markpkessinger Aug 2013 #38

Yes, we DON'T know. Kerry would be the first told by UN inspectors blm Aug 2013 #41

As for being an "honest broker" . . . markpkessinger Aug 2013 #42

If this story really matters to you, then you'll blm Aug 2013 #48

you're the one who knows absolutely nothing whatsofuckingever about Syria cali Aug 2013 #73

I absolutely posted support. Who do YOU think has kept blm Aug 2013 #75

Note that his comment re DWB did not assign blame - just that there was an attack karynnj Aug 2013 #66

And you haven't addressed the central question posed by the OP . . . markpkessinger Aug 2013 #26

I don't know. I do know that Kerry is an honest broker in this, and for blm Aug 2013 #32

Sounds like a gloss on . . . markpkessinger Aug 2013 #34

BS. I know a helluva lot about Syria because I've followed it blm Aug 2013 #37

First you criticize the media coverage of the NSA leaks OnyxCollie Aug 2013 #60

Try reading up on Kerry's work in Syria to AVOID war blm Aug 2013 #78

+1000. the adorers mindlessly go with the "trust them" shit. cali Aug 2013 #74

Based on the FACTS of his work in Syria the last 8yrs blm Aug 2013 #87

I disagree. R. Daneel Olivaw Aug 2013 #56

As a member of the Cabinet . . . markpkessinger Aug 2013 #57

Yes he is. Kerry's been trying to stop war in Syria PERSONALLY since 2005 blm Aug 2013 #12

None of that addresses the selective nature of his moral outrage . . . markpkessinger Aug 2013 #13

Baloney. You had no clue about Kerry's efforts before you judged his words. blm Aug 2013 #46

blm, thank you PowerToThePeople Aug 2013 #63

Thank you. Once people research the last 8years, they would see blm Aug 2013 #79

Most people posting about this really don't care, they are just looking for any anti-administration snooper2 Aug 2013 #81

Kerry has issued statements on many many things that he has thought were wrong karynnj Aug 2013 #68

My opinion on Kerry's role re: Syria has shifted along with Kerry's role. He's no longer the leveymg Aug 2013 #33

OK - you're all right. Kerry cooked the intel to go to war. blm Aug 2013 #39

I didn't say Kerry personally cooked the intel and I'm sure he wouldn't describe Assad as a personal leveymg Aug 2013 #44

I was arguing with everyone above. Not just you. blm Aug 2013 #51

All true. But, he appears to have, in the end, come over to the War Party. leveymg Aug 2013 #52

Sad truth is that they left a clusterfvck in Syria because blm Aug 2013 #80

Good question! I wrote about the moral obscenity that Kerry snappyturtle Aug 2013 #4

Exactly n/t markpkessinger Aug 2013 #5

I thought this would be a Miley thread. I'm out. Throd Aug 2013 #6

I have barely a passing knowledge of who Miley Cirus even is . . . markpkessinger Aug 2013 #7

Unfortunately vapid poop-culture worship leads to apathy about your OP Throd Aug 2013 #11

Creepy how Obama just asked for immunity for war criminals leftstreet Aug 2013 #8

Isn't it, though? n/t markpkessinger Aug 2013 #9

The President didn't "ask" for any such thing. Seeking Serenity Aug 2013 #15

I think leftstreet is referring to this: markpkessinger Aug 2013 #17

That's a civil lawsuit Seeking Serenity Aug 2013 #20

"when acting in the scope of their duties" . . . markpkessinger Aug 2013 #21

Guess you're kinda right - the DOJ did n/t leftstreet Aug 2013 #18

Of course that applies to 99% of all Common Dreams Crap. FSogol Aug 2013 #19

If we are going to make killing legal during war, then we better enforce the law. reusrename Aug 2013 #29

+1000 n/t markpkessinger Aug 2013 #61

What is really obscene about this call to arms that it probably won't have the announced effect, leveymg Aug 2013 #27

Precisely n/t markpkessinger Aug 2013 #31

Nobody does moral obscenity like our MIC government. n/t Catherina Aug 2013 #40

Indeed! n/t markpkessinger Aug 2013 #45

Has Kerry ever said anything about the 'moral obscenity' of Bush's use of sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #47

Very good question . . . markpkessinger Aug 2013 #49

Maybe you should listen to this -- where he calls the Iraq War "immoral" karynnj Aug 2013 #71

He called the Iraq war immoral karynnj Aug 2013 #69

Yet he continued to vote to fund it. sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #72

He voted to attach a version of Kerry/Feingold - Reid/Feingold to the funding in 2007 karynnj Aug 2013 #82

You're right. We only have two choices: Do EVERYTHING or NOTHING at all railsback Aug 2013 #53

As I said, our outrage over "kids getting gassed" is very, very selective - and hypocritical n/t markpkessinger Aug 2013 #54

Well, like you said, we shouldn't do anything railsback Aug 2013 #58

Right. And being gassed is so much worse than being killed by a drone strike. markpkessinger Aug 2013 #55

K&R DeSwiss Aug 2013 #59

But at least we didn't use CHEMICALS!!! drokhole Aug 2013 #64

Biggest problem i have with this OP are the assumptions Sheepshank Aug 2013 #62

BBC included the comment G_j Aug 2013 #77

I agree that WMD use is a special circumstance. I support the UN and other countries dealing with it stevenleser Aug 2013 #83

Every situation in every ME country is exactly the same ... JoePhilly Aug 2013 #84

agree. Our foreign policy is a grotesque masquerade. librechik Aug 2013 #85