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AtomicKitten

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74. Popular Vote Poison: How Hillary's latest math hurts the party.

Tue Aug 27, 2013, 03:07 AM

Aug 2013

For your consideration.

Give credit where it's due: Hillary Clinton has shown grit and determination in finishing out the race. She has proved herself a strong campaigner. And in the week since West Virginia, she has stopped the cheap shots that had marred her campaign this year.

But Clinton has continued with one claim that could have a pernicious effect on the Democrats' chances in November. While she knows that the nomination is determined by delegates, Hillary insists on saying at every opportunity that she is winning the popular vote. And she has now taken to touting the new HBO movie "Recount," which chronicles the Florida fiasco of eight years ago. Everyone can agree that the primary calendar needs reform. But popular-vote pandering is poison for Democrats. For a party scarred by the experience of 2000, when Al Gore received 500,000 more popular votes than George W. Bush but lost the presidency, this argument is sure to make it harder to unite and put bitter feelings aside.

Oh, and it's not true.

Let me go through the numbers without making your head spin.

more:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2008/05/20/popular-vote-poison.html

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Hillary Clinton Crushes All Republicans As Ohio Swings Towards Solid Blue...Today in Politicususa. [View all] CaliforniaPeggy Aug 2013 OP

No one on either side of the aisle has a chance against her if she runs. stevenleser Aug 2013 #1

I suspect she's following this story; it may well push her into running. CaliforniaPeggy Aug 2013 #3

Well, Hillary Clinton is a member of the American oligarchy ... Auggie Aug 2013 #15

thant's what I was thinking also! gopiscrap Aug 2013 #50

I really don't like her as a president either. JDPriestly Aug 2013 #24

I like Senator Warren a lot too. But it's too soon for her. CaliforniaPeggy Aug 2013 #25

+1000! eom BlueMTexpat Aug 2013 #39

Too Bad its not Dr. Dean name instead of Clinton. Left Coast2020 Aug 2013 #56

She's inevitable! MannyGoldstein Aug 2013 #5

there is no OBama this time. plus she would have won against McCain and Romney JI7 Aug 2013 #12

That's like saying because Joe Frazier once beat the great Muhammad Ali any Joe Schmoe could/nt DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2013 #23

What's with you people Jackpine Radical Aug 2013 #26

She actually got more votes than Obama "last time." joshcryer Aug 2013 #68

Ah, no. AtomicKitten Aug 2013 #70

Ah, yes. joshcryer Aug 2013 #71

Nonsense. AtomicKitten Aug 2013 #72

I trust the Green Papers over Real Clear Politics, thanks. joshcryer Aug 2013 #73

Popular Vote Poison: How Hillary's latest math hurts the party. AtomicKitten Aug 2013 #74

Another 5 year old source. joshcryer Aug 2013 #75

Doesn't surprise me you didn't read it. AtomicKitten Aug 2013 #76

The Green Papers tally all the states. joshcryer Aug 2013 #77

That was what everyone was saying in 2007 as well, but then along came a guy named Bandit Aug 2013 #17

Barack Obama came along three years before that and had a convention keynote speech to introduce stevenleser Aug 2013 #19

I thought Castro's speech at the DNC NewJeffCT Aug 2013 #22

revisionist history DonCoquixote Aug 2013 #40

No, none of it is. The Clinton campaign didnt expect to have to contest the caucus states in Feb. stevenleser Aug 2013 #57

Correct. Obama won on caucuses. joshcryer Aug 2013 #69

Yes, the Clinton campaign expected a quick knockout. They certainly didnt expect anything to go stevenleser Aug 2013 #80

truth AtomicKitten Aug 2013 #67

No, it's not. The history is all there for anyone to see. Folks in both campaigns will tell you. nt stevenleser Aug 2013 #81

Do you deny her campaign was inept? AtomicKitten Aug 2013 #85

I think we are in agreement about nearly 100% except for motive but the effect is the same her stevenleser Aug 2013 #86

Okay then. AtomicKitten Aug 2013 #87

That's what they said about Obama... Warren can win!!! FreeBC Aug 2013 #51

She wouldn't have to campaign, she's got my vote unconditionally. vaberella Aug 2013 #65

Nothing is more toxic to the GOP brand than the GOP in power, implementing GOP policy. mick063 Aug 2013 #2

Beware: Politicususa is a fringe Third Way site MannyGoldstein Aug 2013 #4

only one reason to vote for her IMO - if she can deliver a solid democratic sweep in both the senate msongs Aug 2013 #6

This is a very valid point. I agree. n/t CaliforniaPeggy Aug 2013 #7

I think that is extremely likely. I don't know what states are safe for the GOP against Hillary stevenleser Aug 2013 #20

Probably nearly the whole South is safe for the GOP against Hillary Art_from_Ark Aug 2013 #46

The polls say otherwise. nt stevenleser Aug 2013 #58

What polls? Art_from_Ark Aug 2013 #61

There are several. Here is one for Georgia stevenleser Aug 2013 #62

The key word is "hypothetical" Art_from_Ark Aug 2013 #64

Polls always are. The only real one is election day. PPP was the most accurate one last time. nt stevenleser Aug 2013 #79

I will agree DonCoquixote Aug 2013 #41

No won't happen for the second portion. Hil is definitely borderline Blue Dog. vaberella Aug 2013 #66

Politicususa has been loving on Hillary a couple of months now. Or at least their ads have been... freshwest Aug 2013 #8

If you pay them they will take the ads.. except unlike Cha Aug 2013 #11

Makes me pretty sick that all these rednecks rury Aug 2013 #9

I hope you mean you won't vote for her in the primary bhikkhu Aug 2013 #14

Do what I did in 2012 adieu Aug 2013 #31

K&R defacto7 Aug 2013 #10

SFW????? BrainDrain Aug 2013 #13

I clearly remember the RW jeering, as their unknown RW candidate Sheepshank Aug 2013 #59

Hillary is the same corporate tool as her husband and Obama! Dustlawyer Aug 2013 #16

Warren Auggie Aug 2013 #21

Agreed! It's a sad state of affairs that we have so few who actually have the 99% at heart! Dustlawyer Aug 2013 #27

That reminds me of a quote attributed to Adlai Stevenson Art_from_Ark Aug 2013 #48

This is so premature the zipper didn't even come down snooper2 Aug 2013 #18

I think this is great news about/for Ohio Metatron Aug 2013 #28

Oh, I agree! Anything that could damage him makes me cheer. n/t CaliforniaPeggy Aug 2013 #29

2014 is more important, right now. FSogol Aug 2013 #30

Yeah. Didn't Nate Silver say it was at 50/50% odds that Rethugs might take back the Senate? Rozlee Aug 2013 #32

Ohio's votes were stolen for bush in 2004, but other than that point I agree with the article. diane in sf Aug 2013 #33

Am more concerned about the House and Senate seats than the President prospects... Hulk Aug 2013 #34

I agree! But I saw this article, and thought it worthwhile. n/t CaliforniaPeggy Aug 2013 #35

Agreed. Hulk Aug 2013 #53

OK, Ohio Duers -- how hard is Kaisich going to fall next year Jack Rabbit Aug 2013 #36

I'm now in Ohio and will be working to see that Kasich is kicked out of office! madinmaryland Aug 2013 #43

Kick & very highly recommended. William769 Aug 2013 #37

Hmm, Dennis Kucinich won't be getting the "favorite son" vote? brooklynite Aug 2013 #38

Great! Another 8 years of the status quo! davidn3600 Aug 2013 #42

100% agreement. Time for a new regime. She's served enough... snappyturtle Aug 2013 #52

Exactly she'll be Obama II bowens43 Aug 2013 #55

Go Blue! ybbor Aug 2013 #44

And why is that? I think I've heard this before...is it a football reference? CaliforniaPeggy Aug 2013 #45

Yes ybbor Aug 2013 #47

Yeah I hope it stays this way gopiscrap Aug 2013 #49

If we can't do better than Hilary then we'll get we deserve. bowens43 Aug 2013 #54

Hillary 45 in 2016/2020. 80-20!! Sorry, CP, but we are 3 years away from 2016 elections, madinmaryland Aug 2013 #60

I hear you, my dear madinmaryland, and I have to agree for the most part. CaliforniaPeggy Aug 2013 #63

Great. Another wanna-be Republican for Party Leader. blkmusclmachine Aug 2013 #78

Most likely any D will win Ohio davidpdx Aug 2013 #82

Oh God, please let this be true. I would be thrilled to see AllyCat Aug 2013 #83

This place is so predictable and an utter bore when the name Clinton is mentioned. Beacool Aug 2013 #84

There is no Republican party anymore smallcat88 Aug 2013 #88

The DLC and Obama's Failure to Reverse Bush Policies Has Destroyed Faith in the Dems Too HumansAndResources Aug 2013 #89