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136. It doesn't make any difference who is in office, this country

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Tue Aug 27, 2013, 06:40 PM

Aug 2013

is in no position to play the holier then thou card with countries like Syria. We provided a lot of the stuff Iraq used against Iran, the Kurds, and Iraqis. We have participated in the overthrow of way too many duly elected governments that either did not fit the mold of what we wanted or were a threat to Corporate interests in the West.

Syria and possibly Iran are just the MIC's move towards beginning the next war to fund their profits (as well as distracting our attention on what is going on within our own country). Let other countries deal with Syria, we have done more then are fair share over the years elsewhere.

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So now Kerry is a liar? [View all] scheming daemons Aug 2013 OP

Very true. K & R. n/t FSogol Aug 2013 #1

Its a sad day in America when some trust 20 somethings like Snowden and Manning railsback Aug 2013 #2

+1 scheming daemons Aug 2013 #3

No, it's not. Hissyspit Aug 2013 #20

And you take at offense at the word "authoritarian". Marr Aug 2013 #24

Unless you're banging the 'impeachment drum'.. railsback Aug 2013 #31

leap much do you??? Skittles Aug 2013 #74

Who's been calling Obama a STASI tyrant? railsback Aug 2013 #144

No one is banging impeachment drums except for 3 or 4 DLC types who keep talking about... DisgustipatedinCA Aug 2013 #108

So, what exactly are we supposed to do with this Tryrant Obama railsback Aug 2013 #138

Obama is what he is. He isn't going anywhere till the end of his term and he isn't ... dawg Aug 2013 #149

apparently only THINKING PEOPLE know that, dawg Skittles Aug 2013 #163

Well, that's a pretty lame excuse railsback Aug 2013 #168

It seems to me the "Obama-can-do-no-wrong" crowd are the ones making lame excuses. dawg Aug 2013 #175

You people set the precedent, so I have the freedom to laugh at the double standard railsback Aug 2013 #189

Double standard? dawg Aug 2013 #192

Figures.. railsback Aug 2013 #206

I haven't the vaguest clue of what you're talking about. /nt Marr Aug 2013 #142

So it's authoritarian to trust Kerry? treestar Aug 2013 #35

Of course, and while dismissing the integrity he has shown over 40 plus years in public life, karynnj Aug 2013 #171

+10000000 woo me with science Aug 2013 #88

Old guys. They're just better than you. dorkulon Aug 2013 #109

Not better...Wiser...you know the reason you are SUPPOSED to treat elders with respect. VanillaRhapsody Aug 2013 #128

If certain "elders" have been wrong about everthing concerning foriegn policy over the last decade+ Moses2SandyKoufax Aug 2013 #147

those "certain elders" are no longer in charge.... VanillaRhapsody Aug 2013 #148

So, when John Kerry came back from Vietnam dorkulon Aug 2013 #207

I could...you know...ACTUAL Authoritarian sentiment! VanillaRhapsody Aug 2013 #127

+1 nt Progressive dog Aug 2013 #30

No it's not. ForgoTheConsequence Aug 2013 #67

What's 20 something got to do with it? progressoid Aug 2013 #78

Oh, snowden digs Putin's shite.. What's not to trust? Cha Aug 2013 #93

while I might somewhat agree with the sentiments of the OP, I don't see WTF your comment has to do corkhead Aug 2013 #125

LOL, you mean like Colin Powell put his life on the line? nt Logical Aug 2013 #204

Was Colin Powell lying, or was he mislead by his bosses? The Link Aug 2013 #4

Ding Ding Deny and Shred Aug 2013 #53

Both of them weren't and aren't stupid men... MrMickeysMom Aug 2013 #65

good points. did seem unusual for Kerry. eom. wildbilln864 Aug 2013 #157

Kerry's speech sounded like Kerry to me karynnj Aug 2013 #176

Yeah, I've listened to him too. Yesterday stood out. Deny and Shred Aug 2013 #187

I assume that he has seen evidence that he was not given permission to disclose karynnj Aug 2013 #197

I've always respected the guy Deny and Shred Aug 2013 #201

He knew it wasn't true. tblue Aug 2013 #56

What other viable options are there at this point? lumpy Aug 2013 #122

How about THIS option: bvar22 Aug 2013 #131

I would suspect the administration has already mulled over the thought of just saying no, lumpy Aug 2013 #146

I think Colin Powell knew he was lying. rdharma Aug 2013 #112

There's no such thing as 100% certainty Hippo_Tron Aug 2013 #198

Along with Socialist President Hollande of France, apparently!!! MADem Aug 2013 #5

And frankly, some of the rebels are just as nasty as Al-Assad...... AverageJoe90 Aug 2013 #63

I concur completely--they're batshit crazy, some of them. MADem Aug 2013 #68

So Pres Hollande is considering helping the USA and Britain? Cha Aug 2013 #107

Hollande is ready to contribute fighter aircraft, if need be. MADem Aug 2013 #123

The "perpetual alarm sounders" weren't working at State or Defense in 2003 either Fumesucker Aug 2013 #211

Well, of course they weren't. MADem Aug 2013 #213

Oh, this administration plays the top down card quite well when they want to Fumesucker Aug 2013 #214

The Yemen scenario in Yemen KamaAina Aug 2013 #117

No one in Yemen was using sarin gas on the population. MADem Aug 2013 #188

Not lying, sadly mistaken....regards uponit7771 Aug 2013 #6

He is being told what to think by those who surround him nolabels Aug 2013 #12

Not fools, folks in silos not seeing big picture uponit7771 Aug 2013 #15

There is no escaping death, but if the time comes...... nolabels Aug 2013 #27

Do some research on Syria the last 8yrs and then claim you know more blm Aug 2013 #16

So Kerry saw it first hand? That's my litmus for another war, not speculation or some other bullshit uponit7771 Aug 2013 #18

I have a friend who was born in Syria and has family there nolabels Aug 2013 #32

+1 philly_bob Aug 2013 #43

Yep. zeemike Aug 2013 #54

If he is mistaken, then there is in fact, concrete evidence that either the FSA or a third party is LanternWaste Aug 2013 #105

It's funny, isn't it? Wait Wut Aug 2013 #7

I believe John Kerry, but I still am against military intervention. AtomicKitten Aug 2013 #8

+1 uponit7771 Aug 2013 #13

Kerry's a mushroom Warpy Aug 2013 #9

Where is your proof of that? leftynyc Aug 2013 #19

You said it. shenmue Aug 2013 #22

IIRC that was what we were told when the Iraq war drumbeat was at its height! mazzarro Aug 2013 #42

That you would compare leftynyc Aug 2013 #44

His words so far are. Warpy Aug 2013 #61

Not understanding your post leftynyc Aug 2013 #62

Of course you don't Warpy Aug 2013 #66

If you want to translate gibberish leftynyc Aug 2013 #69

I can't picture Kerry staying in the dark for long. JDPriestly Aug 2013 #121

Kerry spoke to the Syrian foreign minister karynnj Aug 2013 #129

Well said. Thank you. And this is without a position on Syria. seabeyond Aug 2013 #10

Kerry has been the person preventing war in Syria the last 8yrs, while many here were blm Aug 2013 #11

This (nt) Control-Z Aug 2013 #26

thank you nt treestar Aug 2013 #39

+1 n/t FSogol Aug 2013 #55

VIDEO: Kerry at Georgetown, on Foreign Policy... YvonneCa Aug 2013 #73

i always look forward to your posts madrchsod Aug 2013 #92

Thank you. I look at everything through a 40 year lens. blm Aug 2013 #99

You're are awesome in your attention to detail Cha Aug 2013 #116

Great post. nt msanthrope Aug 2013 #162

+1 freshwest Aug 2013 #193

Maybe his new job taints his decisions! n-t Logical Aug 2013 #205

Agreed. I appreciate reading posts by people with long attention spans who are interested in facts. freshwest Aug 2013 #216

I think he's telling the truth, but has the US ever used B Calm Aug 2013 #14

We have to play policeman because nobody else will. (nt) jeff47 Aug 2013 #46

So the US is smarter than everybody else? B Calm Aug 2013 #212

Why use chemical weapons, when you can split atoms? AtheistCrusader Aug 2013 #77

I think Kerry is a great man, but I did think he was over the top in that performance quinnox Aug 2013 #17

I agree. avaistheone1 Aug 2013 #81

The rational, respectful place that is DU... shenmue Aug 2013 #21

Don't worry the cavalry will arrive soon and bolster the site with ProWar pragmatism bobduca Aug 2013 #159

Well if Hillary is called a hawk around here over her.... Little Star Aug 2013 #23

Baloney - Hillary's the reason Syria is FUBAR now. She supported war there blm Aug 2013 #45

pfffttt Little Star Aug 2013 #90

I know. Beacool Aug 2013 #184

With you it's always a Clinton's fault. Beacool Aug 2013 #167

So she was NOT the person in charge at State Dept and NOT directing diplomacy or blm Aug 2013 #177

NO, I just don't agree with your B.S. that the situation in Syria is Hillary's fault. Beacool Aug 2013 #182

Hillary was more a hawk on Syria - Obama shot down her plan to arm the rebels karynnj Aug 2013 #169

He voted for the IWR. I haven't trusted his judgment since then cali Aug 2013 #25

Thats such a logical fallacy. phleshdef Aug 2013 #52

whatever else it is, it's not a logical fallacy. cali Aug 2013 #85

Yes it is. phleshdef Aug 2013 #97

If YOU had worked for 8 years to prevent use of force in Syria, you'd blm Aug 2013 #115

whatthefuckever. cali Aug 2013 #124

I'm not. I know full well what's been going the last 8 years. blm Aug 2013 #132

He's right that something horrible has obviously happened deutsey Aug 2013 #28

Can't really mix up these chemicals in the kitchen jeff47 Aug 2013 #49

Nothing totally concrete, but he HAS done this before, though..... AverageJoe90 Aug 2013 #64

there's this.. I just found from a French reporter.. Cha Aug 2013 #118

Politicians lie???? Perish the thought! Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2013 #29

They should have used white phosphorus JEB Aug 2013 #33

It's not his honesty it is his discernment that is in question after his support for the Iraq War. Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #34

Kerry also blindly believed the lies about the Iraq war... TheProgressive Aug 2013 #36

That's certainly a key point. avaistheone1 Aug 2013 #94

what you are seeing is the disgruntled former dems\greens\anarchists, ect, now feel it's open dionysus Aug 2013 #37

You have a point. Negativity = non action and supports the powerful. freshwest Aug 2013 #209

Did he vote for the Iraq war? n/t malaise Aug 2013 #38

Well, your question has been answered. Progressive dog Aug 2013 #40

Agree. The reason the US is even thinking about responding is because of the use of gas lumpy Aug 2013 #80

No the reason the U.S. is giving about its intention to intervene is the use of gas dflprincess Aug 2013 #174

Syria is not a gasoline producing nation. We have the committment with other countries to disallow lumpy Aug 2013 #181

They must be keeping the Syrian oil fields a secret. nt Progressive dog Aug 2013 #217

Why exactly should I trust John Kerry? LittleBlue Aug 2013 #41

OT, but Giap won two wars: against the French and against the U.S. One of the most HardTimes99 Aug 2013 #98

Agreed LittleBlue Aug 2013 #101

I'd give anything to hear that conversation. The irony, oh the irony! - nt HardTimes99 Aug 2013 #102

Kerry has been a goddamned liar since he vowed to fight until all the votes were counted in the '04 AzDar Aug 2013 #47

It was the slowest concession in modern times if you consider the first Gore concession karynnj Aug 2013 #165

... YvonneCa Aug 2013 #172

Given the historical record, it would be . . FairWinds Aug 2013 #48

Lying is one thing trust is another. raindaddy Aug 2013 #50

He is simply reading from the script Link Speed Aug 2013 #51

What he is doing is misrepresenting facts and making unsupported allegations. This is mismanaged. leveymg Aug 2013 #57

I'm scared he's getting dupped. n/t EC Aug 2013 #58

In the "Information Age" why is a military strike the only option? SleeplessinSoCal Aug 2013 #59

What do you suggest the administration do? Do you really think they have not been damned lumpy Aug 2013 #89

Wars don't work. After all these centuries there must be a better way. The UN should work. SleeplessinSoCal Aug 2013 #155

In a way, you've hit the nail on the head. jazzimov Aug 2013 #158

As an American citizen, I'm ready to go on strike to stop endless wars. SleeplessinSoCal Aug 2013 #164

Maybe we should ask Brittany. Arctic Dave Aug 2013 #60

i agree. i dont think obama or kerry are taking this lightly. the issue is extremely complicated La Lioness Priyanka Aug 2013 #70

ask yourself this--why is it "shame on you for not believing whatever Kerry says," and not MisterP Aug 2013 #71

I'm pretty horrified at the things I've read here. DevonRex Aug 2013 #72

It's all on the Internet - folks can read & judge for themselves TBF Aug 2013 #75

So because Syria used chemical weapons on its own people and we are DevonRex Aug 2013 #96

I didn't write the PNAC white papers DevonRex, TBF Aug 2013 #135

I'm sorry. I did NOT mean to imply that you believe the CT DevonRex Aug 2013 #137

Thanks, DR freshwest Aug 2013 #196

he might be Enrique Aug 2013 #76

In 2004, in the heat of the presidential campaign, that genius Kerry said HardTimes99 Aug 2013 #110

That was a RW smear - they took Kerry's answer on his vote and then they said the karynnj Aug 2013 #133

Um, I sat in my living room with my wife and watched Kerry answer a HardTimes99 Aug 2013 #134

Probably not. But I'd guess you fell for the spin... YvonneCa Aug 2013 #139

No - you conflated two things= as the media intended you to do karynnj Aug 2013 #161

The Obama Admin does not want war.. so that blows your little theory. Cha Aug 2013 #120

"The Obama Admin does not want war .." dawg Aug 2013 #152

Well that makes all the military action more palatable. Union Scribe Aug 2013 #199

I am not going to call him a liar. But if he supports military action against Syria then totodeinhere Aug 2013 #79

He's not sending anyone! atreides1 Aug 2013 #82

KnR. Something odious is going on. nt Hekate Aug 2013 #83

I question John Kerry's judgment. Quantess Aug 2013 #84

I trust SOS John Kerry's Judgment exponentially more than Cha Aug 2013 #86

Yeah... didn't he support the invasion of Iraq? Quantess Aug 2013 #91

No he didn't - he spoke against rushing to war in January 2003 karynnj Aug 2013 #178

bullshit. he voted for the IWR. It's simple. Those opposed cali Aug 2013 #208

This was fought every year since 2003 karynnj Aug 2013 #215

No, he's a spinner. That's his job. KamaAina Aug 2013 #87

A shill for imperial hubris. - nt HardTimes99 Aug 2013 #114

The US has lost all credibility whatsoever in the truth department Laughing Mirror Aug 2013 #95

what strikes me here is the number of people who seem to think that azurnoir Aug 2013 #100

if kerry does`t like what his boss tells him to do he should quit madrchsod Aug 2013 #103

We simply don't know. MannyGoldstein Aug 2013 #104

Kerry is not lying...... but we need to stay out of this civil war! nt rdharma Aug 2013 #106

I also believe in Sec. of State Kerry Gothmog Aug 2013 #111

Is acting on a conspiracy theory "lying"? JDPriestly Aug 2013 #113

Kerry supported the Iraq invasion Ocelot Aug 2013 #119

Kerry is being a good Democrat. MelungeonWoman Aug 2013 #126

I don't think he's lying. I just don't think he's giving a fuck Scootaloo Aug 2013 #130

Wow. DU is trashing Dems a lot... YvonneCa Aug 2013 #140

Sometimes they fucking deserve it Scootaloo Aug 2013 #141

I agree with most of what you've said... YvonneCa Aug 2013 #143

I don't colaim to know the specifics of the president's plan. Scootaloo Aug 2013 #154

Please educate yourself on Senator Kerry's... YvonneCa Aug 2013 #170

TY. freshwest Aug 2013 #195

"But at least he's not out catching waves during this crisis" Egnever Aug 2013 #173

And? Scootaloo Aug 2013 #180

Wow, I skimmed past that. Can't listen to Limpballs anymore, either. Ugh. freshwest Aug 2013 #194

Actually you do not seem interested in knowing what he or anyone have done karynnj Aug 2013 #183

Because it's irrelevant Scootaloo Aug 2013 #186

It doesn't make any difference who is in office, this country avebury Aug 2013 #136

War with Iran is the destination Aerows Aug 2013 #145

''Everyone wants to go to Baghdad. Real men want to go to Tehran.'' Octafish Aug 2013 #156

I.W.R. nt Deep13 Aug 2013 #150

Ditto. elleng Aug 2013 #151

No more than was Colin Powell. David__77 Aug 2013 #153

even when Kerry knew that the war against Iraq was based on lies and war fantasies... mike_c Aug 2013 #160

You make good points, and I have always senseandsensibility Aug 2013 #166

Read his speech given at NYU in September 2004 karynnj Aug 2013 #185

This administration has lied to us repeatedly. woo me with science Aug 2013 #179

A dozen strange reasons Kerry is lying according to some, IMO: freshwest Aug 2013 #190

+1! sheshe2 Aug 2013 #200

Yup, that was for you. #2 and #1 are my favorites. freshwest Aug 2013 #202

Everyone that becomes absorbed into the Obama collective.... Safetykitten Aug 2013 #191

If only we could bombard them with food, drink, clothing, and medicine. SleeplessinSoCal Aug 2013 #203

Kerry voted for the IWR. mattclearing Aug 2013 #210