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87. Dude, my grandfather was on the USS Kallinin Bay during the battle off Samar, WWII.

Tue Aug 27, 2013, 07:12 PM

Aug 2013

During my turn, I honestly did not think we would survive the first salvo, cruising the straights, 5-6 mile from the Iranian coast, and most of my crew mates in the CIC shared my pessimism.

Still we did or duty, and worst came to worst we all would have given a good account of ourselves, as per the traditions of th U.S. Navy.

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Fuck Assad, take him and his generals out. [View all] denbot Aug 2013 OP

Innocent until proven guilty ... GeorgeGist Aug 2013 #1

We got us another one folks! notadmblnd Aug 2013 #2

It's not my moral duty Saboburns Aug 2013 #3

So long as you ride the first bomb in, cowboy n/t Scootaloo Aug 2013 #4

K&R for sure! nt Ernesto Aug 2013 #27

Just like Slim Pickens. wild bird Aug 2013 #49

agreed ! nt steve2470 Aug 2013 #136

Shock and Awe shucks.... AsahinaKimi Aug 2013 #156

Oh man. The war pornicators are getting major stiffies n/t leftstreet Aug 2013 #5

Its their moral duty to masturbate over syrian war plans bobduca Aug 2013 #134

They'll need this, then.... MrMickeysMom Aug 2013 #181

Keyboard Warriors.... trumad Aug 2013 #6

Two Persian Gulf tours hardly make me a keyboard warrior. denbot Aug 2013 #12

This message was self-deleted by its author leveymg Aug 2013 #15

That is a diagnosis from the West Los Angeles V.A. Hospital. denbot Aug 2013 #46

I'll withdraw my comment. leveymg Aug 2013 #48

Too bad, I thought it was funny denbot Aug 2013 #51

Someone thought it was a bit rough. So, next round's on me! leveymg Aug 2013 #55

What units? rdharma Aug 2013 #18

I'm a host of the DU Veterans group. denbot Aug 2013 #50

I didn't say you didn't serve..... I was asking where, when, level of intelligence access. rdharma Aug 2013 #74

I was an Operations Specialist, Operations Intelligence Division on a Guided Missile Destroyer. denbot Aug 2013 #105

More than three decades ago? rdharma Aug 2013 #107

Yes, we have gotten far better, and even in the last 10 years, far more accurate denbot Aug 2013 #109

I don't think the intelligence about WMDs in Iraq was good. rdharma Aug 2013 #113

No it was all bullshit denbot Aug 2013 #117

What's a "grease pen"? rdharma Aug 2013 #111

Why the snark? kwassa Aug 2013 #116

A grease pen is what is used to write on a tactical display denbot Aug 2013 #118

That I know. kwassa Aug 2013 #125

I was trying to point out the age of the OP's info. Maybe unfairly. rdharma Aug 2013 #159

War is war, regardless of when it happens. kwassa Aug 2013 #172

No it's not. Intelligence is current. rdharma Aug 2013 #179

FAP.. Phap Net... teehee teeeheee. penultimate Aug 2013 #155

We have to find laughs where we can... JimDandy Aug 2013 #226

Don't you love these Keyboard Warriors? wild bird Aug 2013 #62

Oh--- Sorry... trumad Aug 2013 #19

I'm waiting to hear what units this guy served with. rdharma Aug 2013 #23

If he said he served mimi85 Aug 2013 #75

And I have no reason to believe him! rdharma Aug 2013 #85

Nope, not good enough atreides1 Aug 2013 #103

I posted my MOS denbot Aug 2013 #110

Disgusting. lumpy Aug 2013 #82

No answer disgusting? rdharma Aug 2013 #91

+1 Bobbie Jo Aug 2013 #167

+1 nt NCTraveler Aug 2013 #224

No, they make you a violence-addicted idiot. sibelian Aug 2013 #249

He gassed (wink) between 300&1500, a US war will kill those times factors of ten or hundred NightWatcher Aug 2013 #7

Hitting command and control assests are the point. denbot Aug 2013 #20

A lot of civilians killed in "allied" bombings in Bosnia. rdharma Aug 2013 #24

Hitting command and control assets.... HooptieWagon Aug 2013 #81

That is a valid argument. denbot Aug 2013 #112

The #1 moral obligation is not to make the situation worse.... HooptieWagon Aug 2013 #129

Very good point. denbot Aug 2013 #135

When one side signals they've had enough. HooptieWagon Aug 2013 #171

So killing 100,000 with bombs and guns is not crossing "the line" SomethingFishy Aug 2013 #8

Want numbers? How's a million dead in Iraq? Octafish Aug 2013 #96

I agree and I protested against the Iraq war. denbot Aug 2013 #108

Oh hell, just nuke 'em all! quinnox Aug 2013 #9

USA, Fuck Yeah! :sarcasm: <--Poe's Law - nt HardTimes99 Aug 2013 #10

America! dawg Aug 2013 #161

You haven't been around long so I'll finish your post.. denbot Aug 2013 #206

No. It is not "our moral duty" cali Aug 2013 #11

That whole region is in flux. denbot Aug 2013 #25

oh, it's pretty knowable. cali Aug 2013 #44

We actually know exactly what will happen Scootaloo Aug 2013 #47

Very likely. Well said. n/t Laelth Aug 2013 #225

See Lebanon 4Q2u2 Aug 2013 #229

From an old man, wild bird Aug 2013 #233

I See 4Q2u2 Aug 2013 #235

U.S. Navy Sea Bees? wild bird Aug 2013 #240

Love the Marines 4Q2u2 Aug 2013 #242

What was your MOS? If that's what they call it in the Navy. wild bird Aug 2013 #243

We call them Rates in the Navy 4Q2u2 Aug 2013 #246

Get your butt down to the recruiter's office! rdharma Aug 2013 #13

Like I said up thread, I served, and did two tours in that region. denbot Aug 2013 #21

Like I said. rdharma Aug 2013 #28

I don't believe you. wild bird Aug 2013 #58

USS Barney DDG-6 denbot Aug 2013 #73

You served on a ship? wild bird Aug 2013 #78

Dude, my grandfather was on the USS Kallinin Bay during the battle off Samar, WWII. denbot Aug 2013 #87

Pf! sibelian Aug 2013 #250

On a ship and more than four decades ago! nt rdharma Aug 2013 #101

The Shah and the hostage crisis? rdharma Aug 2013 #100

Yeah everyone knows that you can't argue against war with a veteran bobduca Aug 2013 #132

At no point did I say or infer that. denbot Aug 2013 #139

Its your "get out of argument" card bobduca Aug 2013 #144

No yellow ribbons on our cars ever. denbot Aug 2013 #147

Yeah, we might as well call it moral, since we have all this power bobduca Aug 2013 #149

Umm.. Hyperbole much? denbot Aug 2013 #152

No hyperbole, just riffing off of your macho OP subject line bobduca Aug 2013 #154

Please, do you really think it's moral to do nothing. denbot Aug 2013 #166

At no point was your analogy coherent bobduca Aug 2013 #169

Assad is most definitively running around "chopping up his kids". denbot Aug 2013 #178

I think it would be bobduca Aug 2013 #195

So letting people being slaughtered is in your opinion moral.. denbot Aug 2013 #199

On a ship Marrah_G Aug 2013 #247

this is the obverse of the right wing argument treestar Aug 2013 #61

Yes it is a right wing point of view. denbot Aug 2013 #122

To some, cause for war needs no moral justification or real proof. Sigh. leveymg Aug 2013 #14

So you condone the slaughter of civilians if the rescuer isn't sufficiently altrusitic? Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2013 #16

At what point did I condone killing civilians? denbot Aug 2013 #126

Our moral duty is to stay the hell out. Warpy Aug 2013 #17

if a nuke was used? What would be your response then? VanillaRhapsody Aug 2013 #86

You are just getting silly, desperate for an argument Warpy Aug 2013 #151

You clearly said "All military action does is kill people and build resentment" mythology Aug 2013 #174

Sofa King Stupid bobduca Aug 2013 #170

Way to go all Cheney on this thing. Union Scribe Aug 2013 #176

That was kinda funny.. denbot Aug 2013 #191

Where are your North Korean attack plans? DisgustipatedinCA Aug 2013 #22

The cost, and our ability to effect change. denbot Aug 2013 #31

OK. We have a moral duty to save people as long as it's not too expensive. Got it. DisgustipatedinCA Aug 2013 #34

No we have a moral duty to act if we can effect change. denbot Aug 2013 #123

And what do you leave behind, eh? X_Digger Aug 2013 #26

Thar be the rubb. denbot Aug 2013 #36

"Christians to Beirut and Alawites to the grave" - this is all going to work out just so well - Douglas Carpenter Aug 2013 #29

"it is our moral duty" former9thward Aug 2013 #30

I don't cheer, and I don't advocate anything I would not do myself. denbot Aug 2013 #38

I don't know what "two middle east tours" means. former9thward Aug 2013 #52

What it meant was that I was willing to put my own ass on the line. denbot Aug 2013 #204

I agree shenmue Aug 2013 #32

If we do this is there an endgame? hrmjustin Aug 2013 #33

Cripple Assad's ability to harm his own people. denbot Aug 2013 #39

But by intervening we may do more damage. hrmjustin Aug 2013 #41

True, but is that reason enough to do nothing? denbot Aug 2013 #56

Interesting question but they have been killing people for two years. hrmjustin Aug 2013 #64

Hell, they've been slaughtering each other in that region for centuries, wild bird Aug 2013 #70

How do you define cripple? How do you define ability? And harm? morningfog Aug 2013 #148

Cripple; remove his ability to use his military and security assets. denbot Aug 2013 #158

How do you determine when he can no longer use themilitary and security? morningfog Aug 2013 #222

morality has nothing to do with it, IMO. And I encourage those cheering on aggression to sign up KittyWampus Aug 2013 #35

I already did KittyW denbot Aug 2013 #40

...and replace him with a Wahhabi-ist Sunni theocracy? roamer65 Aug 2013 #37

I agree, they are likely screwed no matter what. denbot Aug 2013 #43

no they really don't. cali Aug 2013 #45

If we do nothing, and Assad gains the upper hand, then seals the country.. denbot Aug 2013 #143

You do know there are Al-Qaeda elements in the rebel forces, right? quinnox Aug 2013 #42

You first. WilliamPitt Aug 2013 #53

Dude I'm 55 with arthritis and all. denbot Aug 2013 #63

hello chickenhawk. PowerToThePeople Aug 2013 #54

A chicken hawk is someone who advocates war but would never serve in one. denbot Aug 2013 #59

You gonna drop into Syria and engage? n/t PowerToThePeople Aug 2013 #79

i always wonder SwampG8r Aug 2013 #244

I really don't know how I feel about getting involved with syria Arcanetrance Aug 2013 #57

The evential out come being worst is the best reason not to intervene. denbot Aug 2013 #65

I feel the same although mimi85 Aug 2013 #80

I can't look at the pictures it makes me ill to think about like I said theres probably no good Arcanetrance Aug 2013 #84

Then shouldn't the US companies that provided avebury Aug 2013 #60

Absolutely denbot Aug 2013 #67

James Bond could take him out in one swipe Rosa Luxemburg Aug 2013 #66

Do you have him on speed dial? denbot Aug 2013 #69

We have James Bonds Rosa Luxemburg Aug 2013 #71

When are you enlisting? nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #68

Just told my kid what my dad told me.. denbot Aug 2013 #83

We are going to war...at the very least ROTC nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #89

But you're apparently not encouraging him to enlist and go to war dflprincess Aug 2013 #160

Yes I encouraged him to join the military. denbot Aug 2013 #188

The problem is it's not so simple BainsBane Aug 2013 #72

Things can be done with minimal loss of non-combatants denbot Aug 2013 #131

"just a little selective murder" bobduca Aug 2013 #189

Would you kill ten to save thousands? denbot Aug 2013 #193

Hobsons Choice bobduca Aug 2013 #194

bobduca, to use your analogy, which would the devil choose? denbot Aug 2013 #198

Who on Earth decided that the US is the arbitor of morality on this planet? avebury Aug 2013 #76

I will agree with you there. denbot Aug 2013 #145

The greater evil ultimatley might occur avebury Aug 2013 #221

The OP is being soundly rejected by DU'ers Vinnie From Indy Aug 2013 #77

So Morality requires us to kill n2doc Aug 2013 #88

It is very likely that Assad was behind the attack. denbot Aug 2013 #190

I could not agree more. jessie04 Aug 2013 #90

I absolutely agree with you denbot Aug 2013 #211

This is apology for terrorism. Implicit support for al Qaeda. David__77 Aug 2013 #93

Umm.. OK.. denbot Aug 2013 #215

I suggest you study the situation. David__77 Aug 2013 #217

How would you like it if they said the same about your country's leaders? Coyotl Aug 2013 #94

That's exactly what the two George Bushes said about Saddam. Octafish Aug 2013 #95

Take him and his generals out? Hell yeah! Glassunion Aug 2013 #97

And then? What do we do when the smoke clears? n/t actslikeacarrot Aug 2013 #98

Rarely have I seen so much bullshit in such a short post..... bowens43 Aug 2013 #99

And how is turning our backs to slaughter moral? denbot Aug 2013 #187

Self delete. Arctic Dave Aug 2013 #102

Wow AD, that's the first shitty thing you've ever said to me in all these years.. denbot Aug 2013 #182

Drive by? He's responded dozens of times in thread. scheming daemons Aug 2013 #236

Denbot, my apologies for the insults. It was uncalled for. Arctic Dave Aug 2013 #241

No worries AD, My post was written to incite debate on a very touchy subject for DU denbot Aug 2013 #252

Thank you for your understanding. Arctic Dave Aug 2013 #254

Testeronios for breakfast? Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2013 #104

The Assad Regeim is not targeted for change. It is a strike against the Syrian military... Agnosticsherbet Aug 2013 #106

Wait, shouldn't we take him and his generals out first, then fuck Assad? dairydog91 Aug 2013 #114

Thread win! denbot Aug 2013 #200

You have no fucking business telling me what is my moral duty is. n/t L0oniX Aug 2013 #115

Perhaps you are internalizing my post. denbot Aug 2013 #213

I don't see any rational justification based on your argument Hippo_Tron Aug 2013 #119

If we play wack-a-mole with every despot who ACTUALLY uses chems, that is a deterrent. denbot Aug 2013 #196

Maybe it's just me, but I would tend to view the opinion of a vet with suspicion. Bonobo Aug 2013 #120

Most COMBAT VETS would not agree with his position. wild bird Aug 2013 #137

I'm glad to hear that. nt Bonobo Aug 2013 #141

Count two more round these parts nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #163

we excel at warfare? IDemo Aug 2013 #121

Very good point. denbot Aug 2013 #183

Although I disagree with you, you make some points taught_me_patience Aug 2013 #124

Why haven't you called for an invasion of Egypt . . . markpkessinger Aug 2013 #127

The kids, the gas.. denbot Aug 2013 #185

Oh, I forgot -- death by gas is so much worse than death by military assault. . . markpkessinger Aug 2013 #192

Death is the same end regardless of the means. denbot Aug 2013 #202

Not in favor of sending anyone's kids to Syria, not even to bomb/shell steve2470 Aug 2013 #128

The western half of our country is burning and you're calling for war? Vashta Nerada Aug 2013 #130

Hmmm. Seeing lot's of closed minds on this issue. Everything is black and white now. MatthewStLouis Aug 2013 #133

This message was self-deleted by its author steve2470 Aug 2013 #138

How many civilians are you willing to kill to punish Assad for killing civilians? Iggo Aug 2013 #165

Don't assume everyone who is willing to think and talk about this thing is a warmonger. MatthewStLouis Aug 2013 #173

I didn't. Iggo Aug 2013 #175

The other side of the coin is how many should Assad kill before we act. denbot Aug 2013 #208

We decapitated the Iraqi regime. Iggo Aug 2013 #223

You mean Al Qaeda, right? Dash87 Aug 2013 #207

You do know? 4Q2u2 Aug 2013 #230

I agree wheheartedly Pretzel_Warrior Aug 2013 #140

His military experience has fuck to do with advocating for an unnecessary and morningfog Aug 2013 #150

See there's that 'Veterans get out of argument free card' n/t bobduca Aug 2013 #157

I agree as long as we don't "take out" civilians. We must stand up for humanitarian rights. cry baby Aug 2013 #142

At least you own it. Killing more will not solve this problem. morningfog Aug 2013 #146

Ummmmmmmmm Dyedinthewoolliberal Aug 2013 #153

I don't think anyone is advocating that Syria be invaded penultimate Aug 2013 #168

Oh damn, Bush!!!! Puzzledtraveller Aug 2013 #162

No money for SNAP, no money for education, healthcare, infrastructure - always money for war dflprincess Aug 2013 #164

And then what? MotherPetrie Aug 2013 #177

{{{{ crickets }}}} MrMickeysMom Aug 2013 #180

This is going to play out to unknown ends no matter what. denbot Aug 2013 #209

And then what? MotherPetrie Aug 2013 #210

That is for the fates denbot Aug 2013 #212

IOW, you have no answer. Just attack Assad and let the chips fall where they may MotherPetrie Aug 2013 #216

Do you really think leaving Assad in place would better for the Syrian people? denbot Aug 2013 #220

The only thing I know is that I'm not willing to take a chance on ANOTHER endless, MotherPetrie Aug 2013 #227

Ignored says what? Flying Squirrel Aug 2013 #184

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Welcome to DU bobduca Aug 2013 #197

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And anyone who is bombed with him? Take them out? Taverner Aug 2013 #201

Again, I'll state my premise, would it be better to kill 10 to save 1,000's? denbot Aug 2013 #218

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To save the Syrians, we must murder them all with bombs? Dash87 Aug 2013 #205

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Are you joining up? Marrah_G Aug 2013 #228

He did. scheming daemons Aug 2013 #237

I don't support intervention, but it's not due to opposition to JoeyT Aug 2013 #231

Evidence would be nice... GeorgeGist Aug 2013 #232

Keyboard Commandos are so cute. 99Forever Aug 2013 #234

He served. scheming daemons Aug 2013 #238

So fucking what? 99Forever Aug 2013 #239

I think I've seen this movie before. I don't want to see the sequel. backscatter712 Aug 2013 #245

There's a whole long list of murderous dictators out there. Where do we stop? alarimer Aug 2013 #248

Who are the worst ones on the list? oberliner Aug 2013 #253

Nope WovenGems Aug 2013 #251