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147. If certain "elders" have been wrong about everthing concerning foriegn policy over the last decade+

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Tue Aug 27, 2013, 08:49 PM

Aug 2013

then those elders deserve no respect.

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So now Kerry is a liar? [View all] scheming daemons Aug 2013 OP

Very true. K & R. n/t FSogol Aug 2013 #1

Its a sad day in America when some trust 20 somethings like Snowden and Manning railsback Aug 2013 #2

+1 scheming daemons Aug 2013 #3

No, it's not. Hissyspit Aug 2013 #20

And you take at offense at the word "authoritarian". Marr Aug 2013 #24

Unless you're banging the 'impeachment drum'.. railsback Aug 2013 #31

leap much do you??? Skittles Aug 2013 #74

Who's been calling Obama a STASI tyrant? railsback Aug 2013 #144

No one is banging impeachment drums except for 3 or 4 DLC types who keep talking about... DisgustipatedinCA Aug 2013 #108

So, what exactly are we supposed to do with this Tryrant Obama railsback Aug 2013 #138

Obama is what he is. He isn't going anywhere till the end of his term and he isn't ... dawg Aug 2013 #149

apparently only THINKING PEOPLE know that, dawg Skittles Aug 2013 #163

Well, that's a pretty lame excuse railsback Aug 2013 #168

It seems to me the "Obama-can-do-no-wrong" crowd are the ones making lame excuses. dawg Aug 2013 #175

You people set the precedent, so I have the freedom to laugh at the double standard railsback Aug 2013 #189

Double standard? dawg Aug 2013 #192

Figures.. railsback Aug 2013 #206

I haven't the vaguest clue of what you're talking about. /nt Marr Aug 2013 #142

So it's authoritarian to trust Kerry? treestar Aug 2013 #35

Of course, and while dismissing the integrity he has shown over 40 plus years in public life, karynnj Aug 2013 #171

+10000000 woo me with science Aug 2013 #88

Old guys. They're just better than you. dorkulon Aug 2013 #109

Not better...Wiser...you know the reason you are SUPPOSED to treat elders with respect. VanillaRhapsody Aug 2013 #128

If certain "elders" have been wrong about everthing concerning foriegn policy over the last decade+ Moses2SandyKoufax Aug 2013 #147

those "certain elders" are no longer in charge.... VanillaRhapsody Aug 2013 #148

So, when John Kerry came back from Vietnam dorkulon Aug 2013 #207

I could...you know...ACTUAL Authoritarian sentiment! VanillaRhapsody Aug 2013 #127

+1 nt Progressive dog Aug 2013 #30

No it's not. ForgoTheConsequence Aug 2013 #67

What's 20 something got to do with it? progressoid Aug 2013 #78

Oh, snowden digs Putin's shite.. What's not to trust? Cha Aug 2013 #93

while I might somewhat agree with the sentiments of the OP, I don't see WTF your comment has to do corkhead Aug 2013 #125

LOL, you mean like Colin Powell put his life on the line? nt Logical Aug 2013 #204

Was Colin Powell lying, or was he mislead by his bosses? The Link Aug 2013 #4

Ding Ding Deny and Shred Aug 2013 #53

Both of them weren't and aren't stupid men... MrMickeysMom Aug 2013 #65

good points. did seem unusual for Kerry. eom. wildbilln864 Aug 2013 #157

Kerry's speech sounded like Kerry to me karynnj Aug 2013 #176

Yeah, I've listened to him too. Yesterday stood out. Deny and Shred Aug 2013 #187

I assume that he has seen evidence that he was not given permission to disclose karynnj Aug 2013 #197

I've always respected the guy Deny and Shred Aug 2013 #201

He knew it wasn't true. tblue Aug 2013 #56

What other viable options are there at this point? lumpy Aug 2013 #122

How about THIS option: bvar22 Aug 2013 #131

I would suspect the administration has already mulled over the thought of just saying no, lumpy Aug 2013 #146

I think Colin Powell knew he was lying. rdharma Aug 2013 #112

There's no such thing as 100% certainty Hippo_Tron Aug 2013 #198

Along with Socialist President Hollande of France, apparently!!! MADem Aug 2013 #5

And frankly, some of the rebels are just as nasty as Al-Assad...... AverageJoe90 Aug 2013 #63

I concur completely--they're batshit crazy, some of them. MADem Aug 2013 #68

So Pres Hollande is considering helping the USA and Britain? Cha Aug 2013 #107

Hollande is ready to contribute fighter aircraft, if need be. MADem Aug 2013 #123

The "perpetual alarm sounders" weren't working at State or Defense in 2003 either Fumesucker Aug 2013 #211

Well, of course they weren't. MADem Aug 2013 #213

Oh, this administration plays the top down card quite well when they want to Fumesucker Aug 2013 #214

The Yemen scenario in Yemen KamaAina Aug 2013 #117

No one in Yemen was using sarin gas on the population. MADem Aug 2013 #188

Not lying, sadly mistaken....regards uponit7771 Aug 2013 #6

He is being told what to think by those who surround him nolabels Aug 2013 #12

Not fools, folks in silos not seeing big picture uponit7771 Aug 2013 #15

There is no escaping death, but if the time comes...... nolabels Aug 2013 #27

Do some research on Syria the last 8yrs and then claim you know more blm Aug 2013 #16

So Kerry saw it first hand? That's my litmus for another war, not speculation or some other bullshit uponit7771 Aug 2013 #18

I have a friend who was born in Syria and has family there nolabels Aug 2013 #32

+1 philly_bob Aug 2013 #43

Yep. zeemike Aug 2013 #54

If he is mistaken, then there is in fact, concrete evidence that either the FSA or a third party is LanternWaste Aug 2013 #105

It's funny, isn't it? Wait Wut Aug 2013 #7

I believe John Kerry, but I still am against military intervention. AtomicKitten Aug 2013 #8

+1 uponit7771 Aug 2013 #13

Kerry's a mushroom Warpy Aug 2013 #9

Where is your proof of that? leftynyc Aug 2013 #19

You said it. shenmue Aug 2013 #22

IIRC that was what we were told when the Iraq war drumbeat was at its height! mazzarro Aug 2013 #42

That you would compare leftynyc Aug 2013 #44

His words so far are. Warpy Aug 2013 #61

Not understanding your post leftynyc Aug 2013 #62

Of course you don't Warpy Aug 2013 #66

If you want to translate gibberish leftynyc Aug 2013 #69

I can't picture Kerry staying in the dark for long. JDPriestly Aug 2013 #121

Kerry spoke to the Syrian foreign minister karynnj Aug 2013 #129

Well said. Thank you. And this is without a position on Syria. seabeyond Aug 2013 #10

Kerry has been the person preventing war in Syria the last 8yrs, while many here were blm Aug 2013 #11

This (nt) Control-Z Aug 2013 #26

thank you nt treestar Aug 2013 #39

+1 n/t FSogol Aug 2013 #55

VIDEO: Kerry at Georgetown, on Foreign Policy... YvonneCa Aug 2013 #73

i always look forward to your posts madrchsod Aug 2013 #92

Thank you. I look at everything through a 40 year lens. blm Aug 2013 #99

You're are awesome in your attention to detail Cha Aug 2013 #116

Great post. nt msanthrope Aug 2013 #162

+1 freshwest Aug 2013 #193

Maybe his new job taints his decisions! n-t Logical Aug 2013 #205

Agreed. I appreciate reading posts by people with long attention spans who are interested in facts. freshwest Aug 2013 #216

I think he's telling the truth, but has the US ever used B Calm Aug 2013 #14

We have to play policeman because nobody else will. (nt) jeff47 Aug 2013 #46

So the US is smarter than everybody else? B Calm Aug 2013 #212

Why use chemical weapons, when you can split atoms? AtheistCrusader Aug 2013 #77

I think Kerry is a great man, but I did think he was over the top in that performance quinnox Aug 2013 #17

I agree. avaistheone1 Aug 2013 #81

The rational, respectful place that is DU... shenmue Aug 2013 #21

Don't worry the cavalry will arrive soon and bolster the site with ProWar pragmatism bobduca Aug 2013 #159

Well if Hillary is called a hawk around here over her.... Little Star Aug 2013 #23

Baloney - Hillary's the reason Syria is FUBAR now. She supported war there blm Aug 2013 #45

pfffttt Little Star Aug 2013 #90

I know. Beacool Aug 2013 #184

With you it's always a Clinton's fault. Beacool Aug 2013 #167

So she was NOT the person in charge at State Dept and NOT directing diplomacy or blm Aug 2013 #177

NO, I just don't agree with your B.S. that the situation in Syria is Hillary's fault. Beacool Aug 2013 #182

Hillary was more a hawk on Syria - Obama shot down her plan to arm the rebels karynnj Aug 2013 #169

He voted for the IWR. I haven't trusted his judgment since then cali Aug 2013 #25

Thats such a logical fallacy. phleshdef Aug 2013 #52

whatever else it is, it's not a logical fallacy. cali Aug 2013 #85

Yes it is. phleshdef Aug 2013 #97

If YOU had worked for 8 years to prevent use of force in Syria, you'd blm Aug 2013 #115

whatthefuckever. cali Aug 2013 #124

I'm not. I know full well what's been going the last 8 years. blm Aug 2013 #132

He's right that something horrible has obviously happened deutsey Aug 2013 #28

Can't really mix up these chemicals in the kitchen jeff47 Aug 2013 #49

Nothing totally concrete, but he HAS done this before, though..... AverageJoe90 Aug 2013 #64

there's this.. I just found from a French reporter.. Cha Aug 2013 #118

Politicians lie???? Perish the thought! Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2013 #29

They should have used white phosphorus JEB Aug 2013 #33

It's not his honesty it is his discernment that is in question after his support for the Iraq War. Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #34

Kerry also blindly believed the lies about the Iraq war... TheProgressive Aug 2013 #36

That's certainly a key point. avaistheone1 Aug 2013 #94

what you are seeing is the disgruntled former dems\greens\anarchists, ect, now feel it's open dionysus Aug 2013 #37

You have a point. Negativity = non action and supports the powerful. freshwest Aug 2013 #209

Did he vote for the Iraq war? n/t malaise Aug 2013 #38

Well, your question has been answered. Progressive dog Aug 2013 #40

Agree. The reason the US is even thinking about responding is because of the use of gas lumpy Aug 2013 #80

No the reason the U.S. is giving about its intention to intervene is the use of gas dflprincess Aug 2013 #174

Syria is not a gasoline producing nation. We have the committment with other countries to disallow lumpy Aug 2013 #181

They must be keeping the Syrian oil fields a secret. nt Progressive dog Aug 2013 #217

Why exactly should I trust John Kerry? LittleBlue Aug 2013 #41

OT, but Giap won two wars: against the French and against the U.S. One of the most HardTimes99 Aug 2013 #98

Agreed LittleBlue Aug 2013 #101

I'd give anything to hear that conversation. The irony, oh the irony! - nt HardTimes99 Aug 2013 #102

Kerry has been a goddamned liar since he vowed to fight until all the votes were counted in the '04 AzDar Aug 2013 #47

It was the slowest concession in modern times if you consider the first Gore concession karynnj Aug 2013 #165

... YvonneCa Aug 2013 #172

Given the historical record, it would be . . FairWinds Aug 2013 #48

Lying is one thing trust is another. raindaddy Aug 2013 #50

He is simply reading from the script Link Speed Aug 2013 #51

What he is doing is misrepresenting facts and making unsupported allegations. This is mismanaged. leveymg Aug 2013 #57

I'm scared he's getting dupped. n/t EC Aug 2013 #58

In the "Information Age" why is a military strike the only option? SleeplessinSoCal Aug 2013 #59

What do you suggest the administration do? Do you really think they have not been damned lumpy Aug 2013 #89

Wars don't work. After all these centuries there must be a better way. The UN should work. SleeplessinSoCal Aug 2013 #155

In a way, you've hit the nail on the head. jazzimov Aug 2013 #158

As an American citizen, I'm ready to go on strike to stop endless wars. SleeplessinSoCal Aug 2013 #164

Maybe we should ask Brittany. Arctic Dave Aug 2013 #60

i agree. i dont think obama or kerry are taking this lightly. the issue is extremely complicated La Lioness Priyanka Aug 2013 #70

ask yourself this--why is it "shame on you for not believing whatever Kerry says," and not MisterP Aug 2013 #71

I'm pretty horrified at the things I've read here. DevonRex Aug 2013 #72

It's all on the Internet - folks can read & judge for themselves TBF Aug 2013 #75

So because Syria used chemical weapons on its own people and we are DevonRex Aug 2013 #96

I didn't write the PNAC white papers DevonRex, TBF Aug 2013 #135

I'm sorry. I did NOT mean to imply that you believe the CT DevonRex Aug 2013 #137

Thanks, DR freshwest Aug 2013 #196

he might be Enrique Aug 2013 #76

In 2004, in the heat of the presidential campaign, that genius Kerry said HardTimes99 Aug 2013 #110

That was a RW smear - they took Kerry's answer on his vote and then they said the karynnj Aug 2013 #133

Um, I sat in my living room with my wife and watched Kerry answer a HardTimes99 Aug 2013 #134

Probably not. But I'd guess you fell for the spin... YvonneCa Aug 2013 #139

No - you conflated two things= as the media intended you to do karynnj Aug 2013 #161

The Obama Admin does not want war.. so that blows your little theory. Cha Aug 2013 #120

"The Obama Admin does not want war .." dawg Aug 2013 #152

Well that makes all the military action more palatable. Union Scribe Aug 2013 #199

I am not going to call him a liar. But if he supports military action against Syria then totodeinhere Aug 2013 #79

He's not sending anyone! atreides1 Aug 2013 #82

KnR. Something odious is going on. nt Hekate Aug 2013 #83

I question John Kerry's judgment. Quantess Aug 2013 #84

I trust SOS John Kerry's Judgment exponentially more than Cha Aug 2013 #86

Yeah... didn't he support the invasion of Iraq? Quantess Aug 2013 #91

No he didn't - he spoke against rushing to war in January 2003 karynnj Aug 2013 #178

bullshit. he voted for the IWR. It's simple. Those opposed cali Aug 2013 #208

This was fought every year since 2003 karynnj Aug 2013 #215

No, he's a spinner. That's his job. KamaAina Aug 2013 #87

A shill for imperial hubris. - nt HardTimes99 Aug 2013 #114

The US has lost all credibility whatsoever in the truth department Laughing Mirror Aug 2013 #95

what strikes me here is the number of people who seem to think that azurnoir Aug 2013 #100

if kerry does`t like what his boss tells him to do he should quit madrchsod Aug 2013 #103

We simply don't know. MannyGoldstein Aug 2013 #104

Kerry is not lying...... but we need to stay out of this civil war! nt rdharma Aug 2013 #106

I also believe in Sec. of State Kerry Gothmog Aug 2013 #111

Is acting on a conspiracy theory "lying"? JDPriestly Aug 2013 #113

Kerry supported the Iraq invasion Ocelot Aug 2013 #119

Kerry is being a good Democrat. MelungeonWoman Aug 2013 #126

I don't think he's lying. I just don't think he's giving a fuck Scootaloo Aug 2013 #130

Wow. DU is trashing Dems a lot... YvonneCa Aug 2013 #140

Sometimes they fucking deserve it Scootaloo Aug 2013 #141

I agree with most of what you've said... YvonneCa Aug 2013 #143

I don't colaim to know the specifics of the president's plan. Scootaloo Aug 2013 #154

Please educate yourself on Senator Kerry's... YvonneCa Aug 2013 #170

TY. freshwest Aug 2013 #195

"But at least he's not out catching waves during this crisis" Egnever Aug 2013 #173

And? Scootaloo Aug 2013 #180

Wow, I skimmed past that. Can't listen to Limpballs anymore, either. Ugh. freshwest Aug 2013 #194

Actually you do not seem interested in knowing what he or anyone have done karynnj Aug 2013 #183

Because it's irrelevant Scootaloo Aug 2013 #186

It doesn't make any difference who is in office, this country avebury Aug 2013 #136

War with Iran is the destination Aerows Aug 2013 #145

''Everyone wants to go to Baghdad. Real men want to go to Tehran.'' Octafish Aug 2013 #156

I.W.R. nt Deep13 Aug 2013 #150

Ditto. elleng Aug 2013 #151

No more than was Colin Powell. David__77 Aug 2013 #153

even when Kerry knew that the war against Iraq was based on lies and war fantasies... mike_c Aug 2013 #160

You make good points, and I have always senseandsensibility Aug 2013 #166

Read his speech given at NYU in September 2004 karynnj Aug 2013 #185

This administration has lied to us repeatedly. woo me with science Aug 2013 #179

A dozen strange reasons Kerry is lying according to some, IMO: freshwest Aug 2013 #190

+1! sheshe2 Aug 2013 #200

Yup, that was for you. #2 and #1 are my favorites. freshwest Aug 2013 #202

Everyone that becomes absorbed into the Obama collective.... Safetykitten Aug 2013 #191

If only we could bombard them with food, drink, clothing, and medicine. SleeplessinSoCal Aug 2013 #203

Kerry voted for the IWR. mattclearing Aug 2013 #210