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sabrina 1

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92. You do realize that the US has the biggest cache of Chemical weapons in the history of the

Wed Aug 28, 2013, 02:01 AM

Aug 2013

WORLD.

You do realize that we have USED them on innocent civilians, in Fallujah, DU in Iraq, in Vietnam, in Afghanistan.

It boggles the mind that ANY INFORMED human being would even consider allowing the ONE COUNTRY In the WORLD that has killed and maimed and tortured more human beings over their history, even suggest that this is about Chemical Weapons.

And no, I do NOT know that Syria has used chemical weapons. The US has ZERO credibiltiy when it comes to claims of WMDS anywhere.

We are NOT the Policemen of the world. We lied and cheated to start the last Criminal War in Iraq.

Do NOT tell me about anyone else's issues. WE HAVE ISSUES. We have War Criminals here who have never even been questioned about their crimes.

This is not the country to deal with this. No way.

How many innocent people will we kill in order to 'save them'? Was a million in Iraq enough to convince ANYONE, that the US needs to take WMDs and bury them because they are a threat to the world so long as they have them.

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I fucking can't believe John Kerry [View all] Taverner Aug 2013 OP

I'm not sure why any of this surprises anyone anymore NoOneMan Aug 2013 #1

Well...you aren't the only one...and he isn't the first or last one to disappoint...but.. KoKo Aug 2013 #148

I think we.... sgtbenobo Aug 2013 #2

LOL Taverner Aug 2013 #21

You are aware that his words are the opinion of his boss, the POTUS, yes? Dreamer Tatum Aug 2013 #3

Then he should do the right thing. sgtbenobo Aug 2013 #6

Who should resign? uppityperson Aug 2013 #8

The same man who on 23 Apr 71.... sgtbenobo Aug 2013 #14

Wow. DU R & K to the max. Welcome to DU in these sad times... nt riderinthestorm Aug 2013 #15

You think Kerry should resign? hrmjustin Aug 2013 #18

Yes. sgtbenobo Aug 2013 #24

I have to disagree with you on this. hrmjustin Aug 2013 #25

I can respect your opinion. sgtbenobo Aug 2013 #28

Sadly this is true. This is one reason I have deep reservations about this. hrmjustin Aug 2013 #34

More people will die if we enter this mess. Have we learned nothing from history? nm rhett o rick Aug 2013 #117

No, we are not good at learning. hrmjustin Aug 2013 #118

Ah well, money trumps peace...or something like that. SammyWinstonJack Aug 2013 #132

The Powers To Be are loving this. More profits for the corporations. nm rhett o rick Aug 2013 #134

And how many will die because we won't enter? mythology Aug 2013 #155

Rethink Yugoslavia and Saudi-Armed Jihadi "Rebels" HumansAndResources Aug 2013 #156

+! Little Star Aug 2013 #177

Before we start or enter a war, the President should convince Congress that rhett o rick Aug 2013 #176

There is no guarantee that our killing with bombs and missiles will prevent further deaths. Most rhett o rick Aug 2013 #181

He has none of the above - he caved when Bush jacked that election elehhhhna Aug 2013 #113

There is precedent for a Secretary of State resigning in protest. totodeinhere Aug 2013 #49

Perhaps this is his POV. hrmjustin Aug 2013 #50

I was responding to a posters suggestion that his words are the opinion of his boss, the POTUS. totodeinhere Aug 2013 #66

Oh ok thanks. hrmjustin Aug 2013 #67

The operation was sabotaged by George Bush & his CIA buddies. Carter's "secret" was no secret to the loudsue Aug 2013 #65

I only raised that as an example of a secretary of state resigning in protest. n/t totodeinhere Aug 2013 #69

Eagle-Claw - Oliver North and Richard Secord Ran It HumansAndResources Aug 2013 #157

Thank you so much for this post, H & R! It still pisses me off how horribly corrupt the bush family loudsue Aug 2013 #171

should never taken the position to begin with G_j Aug 2013 #130

How sad, there must be something in the water in DC. So many of them seem to lose their souls sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #39

we should send him postcards with this quote on it annm4peace Aug 2013 #43

This isn't war, it is a humanitary strike. American lives are not in the line of fire. wisteria Aug 2013 #70

"a humanitary strike" NealK Aug 2013 #108

Touche Carolina Aug 2013 #131

Tell that to the people on the wrong end of the bombs Cal Carpenter Aug 2013 #129

Thank you for posting this for the record. n/t Raksha Aug 2013 #162

So an even more hawkish SecState can be appointed? Recursion Aug 2013 #22

Just following orders...where have I heard that before? bowens43 Aug 2013 #10

Why bother voting? pokerfan Aug 2013 #120

If he finds it morally wrong, he should do what many people of principle have done, even sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #36

I never liked the man. We should have had Howard Dean against Bush, not Kerry. NYC_SKP Aug 2013 #4

I still believe Howard Dean would have won LearningCurve Aug 2013 #13

What ifs. Dean crashed and burned over his own ego. wisteria Aug 2013 #71

DLC and DNC didn't like Dean fadedrose Aug 2013 #100

Howard Dean is not ordering strikes on Syria. Taverner Aug 2013 #142

Agreed. And Dean would've won. Taverner Aug 2013 #20

Ah, now I know where you are coming from. wisteria Aug 2013 #72

Nope - I was down with Kerry in 04 Taverner Aug 2013 #74

This isn't war. wisteria Aug 2013 #80

Tell that to the families of those who we bomb next week n/t Taverner Aug 2013 #81

LOL, like SOS Kerry is the only one making decisions. wisteria Aug 2013 #79

The pundists took the "Dean Scream" and ran with it. Quantess Aug 2013 #112

Are you aware that the media blocked the background noise truebluegreen Aug 2013 #121

No, as is hardly anybody else! Quantess Aug 2013 #123

Do you seriouslly not exepct Kerry, or any Secretary of State, to state the Administrations policy? Agnosticsherbet Aug 2013 #5

Yes I expect those we have entrusted with the power to make decisions for all of us sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #42

Because you disagree with the decision doesn't mean that the decision isn't reasoned Agnosticsherbet Aug 2013 #46

Of course Vietnam started as a limited intervention, no one said 'let's send 58,000 men to die' Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #52

Why is this the business of the US? International Law makes this the purview of the UN sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #54

This is why. go west young man Aug 2013 #58

As stated by Carney, it is critical to national security to act when Agnosticsherbet Aug 2013 #59

Ah yes "Credibility" bobduca Aug 2013 #62

No, it's about upholding international law not credibility. n/t Agnosticsherbet Aug 2013 #64

You've got to be kidding. sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #97

Touche Sabrina 1 Carolina Aug 2013 #136

Excellent post, Carolina. And it goes back even further. Remember what we did to Native sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #146

Yep. Pretty much. Taverner Aug 2013 #147

BINGO!!!!! Little Star Aug 2013 #170

You do realize Syria has a cache of chemical weapons right? VanillaRhapsody Aug 2013 #90

You do realize that the US has the biggest cache of Chemical weapons in the history of the sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #92

Wow, Sabrina! HoneychildMooseMoss Aug 2013 #95

Okay you are prepared to say to the world that if anyone wants to gas babies in their beds..... VanillaRhapsody Aug 2013 #96

Excuse me??? I am saying that the US used White Phosphorous in Iraq. Have you read the sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #99

So why hasn't the world indicted us? VanillaRhapsody Aug 2013 #101

Lol, that is funny. We BOMB people who don't go along with us. sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #103

Oh right our allies are our allies cauxe we bombed them previously yes right...obviously! VanillaRhapsody Aug 2013 #104

You don't know much about US history, do you? Tell me, why do we have so many sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #106

Lay it on, Sabrina 1 Carolina Aug 2013 #137

Superb posts, sabrina. woo me with science Aug 2013 #166

+1 deutsey Aug 2013 #182

Wait don't tell me...fans of Snowden, Assange and Greenwald right? VanillaRhapsody Aug 2013 #183

The difference is ....we aren't TARGETTING civilians...but Assad did! VanillaRhapsody Aug 2013 #184

In the cases of Germany and Japan...yes. nt CJCRANE Aug 2013 #122

sabrina 1, these are 2 excellent posts that I urge you to put in an OP. Please remind people of our chimpymustgo Aug 2013 #102

I know what you mean re not sleeping at night. The horror of war seems to escape those who sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #139

I second chimpymustgo's comment. Thanks for all you are explaining regarding this. Little Star Aug 2013 #178

Your rationalization for war needs help. Are you going to limit killing those that rhett o rick Aug 2013 #180

+1 for Aerows Aug 2013 #124

You can't get to where he is without holding certain views and taking certain actions. Renew Deal Aug 2013 #7

He and Colin Powell are birds of a feather bowens43 Aug 2013 #9

+1 nt riderinthestorm Aug 2013 #16

Disappointed Rosa Luxemburg Aug 2013 #11

Yes - at least dissappointed Taverner Aug 2013 #27

If the Republicans weren't in control of the House Rosa Luxemburg Aug 2013 #126

John Kerry "On the Issues" Renew Deal Aug 2013 #12

Yeeh why are people surprised? Harmony Blue Aug 2013 #17

Yes, yes yes, I was wrong, you were right.... Taverner Aug 2013 #19

I wasn't right Renew Deal Aug 2013 #23

I'm not mad at you Taverner Aug 2013 #26

I know Renew Deal Aug 2013 #33

Kerry doesn't need Obama to tell him what to say Lifelong Dem Aug 2013 #30

All those votes---I wonder if there will be a vote with Syria? panader0 Aug 2013 #38

Some members of Congress are asking for a vote Maedhros Aug 2013 #63

LOL @ this whole thread. tridim Aug 2013 #29

Explain and I shall retort Taverner Aug 2013 #37

Kerry served in Vietnam at exactly the same time our air force was dropping HardTimes99 Aug 2013 #31

I swear, why do I always fall for their BS? Taverner Aug 2013 #32

Because you're desperate? Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2013 #51

Because Pravda is the only news we get n/t Taverner Aug 2013 #86

See? You really need to use the Interne,....oh... Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2013 #87

Touche HT99! Carolina Aug 2013 #138

His Hypocrisy in that speech when he knew about Agent Orange KoKo Aug 2013 #169

I haven't followed Kerry's life arc closely enough to know when he HardTimes99 Aug 2013 #172

At the WH, first meeeting... Safetykitten Aug 2013 #35

LOL - They have a "Confabulator" on Air Force One too, I think. HumansAndResources Aug 2013 #158

Why did you tear up the pavement for him in 2006? blue neen Aug 2013 #40

I'm a procrastinator. nt. Taverner Aug 2013 #141

skull and bones member...nt Jesus Malverde Aug 2013 #41

I can't believe it took this long for DU to descend to this level of stupidity again. I say again KittyWampus Aug 2013 #44

He is a member of Skull and Bones, and *'s 2nd cousin. Why attack someone stating a fact? nt Mnemosyne Aug 2013 #57

he has also been married twice, has 2 daughters, ........ JI7 Aug 2013 #60

Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2013 #73

coudl they have been the ones who planted the chemical weapons ? JI7 Aug 2013 #77

You don't seem to like us. NYC_SKP Aug 2013 #107

Not sure I get your point. Mnemosyne Aug 2013 #164

He is not Bush's second cousin karynnj Aug 2013 #128

I did have the relationship wrong, but he is a distant relative. nt Mnemosyne Aug 2013 #163

As is almost anybody with roots in the elite of colonial New England karynnj Aug 2013 #165

+++++1 wisteria Aug 2013 #82

Yes, I keep forgetting that. They know his sexual proclivities. Taverner Aug 2013 #143

The problem is NOT John Kerry jazzimov Aug 2013 #45

+++++11111 wisteria Aug 2013 #83

Is it even slightly possible that Kerry knows... TreasonousBastard Aug 2013 #47

Exactly what would justify indiscriminate bombing? Taverner Aug 2013 #48

No plan has been agreed to yet, so where does... TreasonousBastard Aug 2013 #56

That's what it ALWAYS is Taverner Aug 2013 #76

This message was self-deleted by its author JohnnyRingo Aug 2013 #110

Yes my stated agenda is the truth Harmony Blue Aug 2013 #53

So that makes Kerry wrong? TreasonousBastard Aug 2013 #55

Human beings are capable of being Harmony Blue Aug 2013 #68

How likely is it then... TreasonousBastard Aug 2013 #94

So If I'm against Bombing and I am wrong , who did I wrongly kill ? bahrbearian Aug 2013 #109

WAR IS A RACKET Taverner Aug 2013 #85

That was beautiful libodem Aug 2013 #89

+1111 wisteria Aug 2013 #84

look lcordero2 Aug 2013 #61

Since you and John Kerry are equally informed.... JohnnyRingo Aug 2013 #75

Tell me at this point, who deserves bombings? Taverner Aug 2013 #78

I was just helping with your thread count. JohnnyRingo Aug 2013 #111

Hear hear lumpy Aug 2013 #88

Here's a strategy: Stay out of the fucking mess. We cant win. We wont help anyone. rhett o rick Aug 2013 #114

At first I wondered why we're telegraphing our move. JohnnyRingo Aug 2013 #135

Your rationalization to kill, kill is sick at best. There is nothing good that can come from our rhett o rick Aug 2013 #149

So you're calling me sick? JohnnyRingo Aug 2013 #150

Your rationalization is naive at best. I dont claim to be morally superior but I am against the rhett o rick Aug 2013 #151

I don't think we need to continue this discussion. JohnnyRingo Aug 2013 #167

You are absolutely right. I apologize for any name calling. I am frustrated that we are rhett o rick Aug 2013 #175

"Pre War Advertising" is done by P.R. Firms HumansAndResources Aug 2013 #159

Yep. Pretty much. Taverner Aug 2013 #144

Yes, it is sad. The man who in his youth said in front of Congress 7wo7rees Aug 2013 #91

here it is in a toon from Danzinger 7wo7rees Aug 2013 #98

Isn't Kerry doing his job and from the point of view of morality? lexington filly Aug 2013 #93

It IS About Oil and Money HumansAndResources Aug 2013 #160

I understand he's not exactly sold Summer Hathaway Aug 2013 #105

Not quite. One wants to kill people. If we enter this mess, more children will die for sure. nm rhett o rick Aug 2013 #115

Yes, of course. Summer Hathaway Aug 2013 #125

It isnt hard. If we send cruise missiles, they will kill people. To think he hasnt rhett o rick Aug 2013 #133

I cant believe the hypocrisy. We are going to bomb Syria because of human rights rhett o rick Aug 2013 #116

It depends on the opinion polls. Taverner Aug 2013 #145

They're all in the mic now. polichick Aug 2013 #119

"Last one who wasn't was JFK" Taverner Aug 2013 #140

I know how you feel Carolina Aug 2013 #127

Hey, you guys! Call/email the White House! raging moderate Aug 2013 #152

Money and power trump all jsr Aug 2013 #153

President Obama and Mr. Kerry know exactly what they're doing.... OccupyOregon Aug 2013 #154

Why is Kerry auditioning to be the next Colin Powell? Raksha Aug 2013 #161

Not auditioning. He got the part. This is the performance. KurtNYC Aug 2013 #173

Why Kerry�s Speech Doesn�t Necessarily Mean We�re Going To War In Syria ProSense Aug 2013 #168

Kerry makes me sick to my stomach! That's about all I can say, here. n/t truth2power Aug 2013 #174

I think you mean "04" not "06" in your original post. John1956PA Aug 2013 #179