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defacto7

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21. a very good point.

Wed Aug 28, 2013, 03:14 AM

Aug 2013

World thinking make for a very different perspective on America and the value of politics.

There is a point to be made also that Romney would have been disastrous and I also think this is true. But failing to criticize our leaders is little different than being ruled and forced to think according to the party line. I will never stop criticizing when I see incongruence. If they have information that can clear up their inconsistencies with facts, they can cough them up, I will ponder them, then decide if I need to change my position. But until then, I call'm as I see'm.

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I don't enjoy GD anymore [View all] fadedrose Aug 2013 OP

Well, fuck us for not supporting a new middle eastern war based on flimsy evidence Scootaloo Aug 2013 #1

Hmm fadedrose Aug 2013 #2

Well, I guess there's no fixing some things. n/t Scootaloo Aug 2013 #3

It's not debating policy that's too venemous BainsBane Aug 2013 #32

That's a fair point, especially with the example you give Scootaloo Aug 2013 #38

I respect that BainsBane Aug 2013 #59

'Rushing into it'? Really? randome Aug 2013 #78

Why can't we wait for the inspectors to finish their job before we make any... Little Star Aug 2013 #113

This site does seem to have a lot of hate showing lately liberal N proud Aug 2013 #81

Definitely DU has changed, and many threads degenerate into hate fests ... most I don't RKP5637 Aug 2013 #124

Nice post, war criminal Orrex Aug 2013 #127

That post was from me. Arctic Dave Aug 2013 #205

Right you are n/t bobGandolf Aug 2013 #210

Flimsy evidence treestar Aug 2013 #85

Compare two what? Scootaloo Aug 2013 #98

What of the use of chemical weapons treestar Aug 2013 #99

I am one who makes an issue of who used them Scootaloo Aug 2013 #100

No one is flying off on anything treestar Aug 2013 #102

You're being intentionally clueless Scootaloo Aug 2013 #105

I agree it's arguable whether we can do anything treestar Aug 2013 #123

+1 deutsey Aug 2013 #163

No, it's not. jeff47 Aug 2013 #223

"I'd like them to burn Assad's chemical weapon stockpile via airstrikes" SMC22307 Aug 2013 #273

Depends how and where they're stored jeff47 Aug 2013 #277

If you have to ask the question.. Adrahil Aug 2013 #133

No, the right wing, as always, is looking for any reason to blow up Arabs Scootaloo Aug 2013 #160

What you say...was echoed by British UN Ambassador this am on Bloomberg KoKo Aug 2013 #152

It's not one thing. It's everything. It's been steadily getting worse since Obama was elected. pnwmom Aug 2013 #246

I agree, DU is imploding... too many DUers against Democrats DontTreadOnMe Aug 2013 #4

It resembles the majority of Americans I know. Especially the Democrats I know. sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #54

+1 theHandpuppet Aug 2013 #90

Awesome !! warrant46 Aug 2013 #103

Totally Knarley Awesome !!!11!!11! DontTreadOnMe Aug 2013 #111

Yeah, but what kind of Democrat are you? RC Aug 2013 #159

If I stood on my principal he would have been mad. n/t Whisp Aug 2013 #209

. one_voice Aug 2013 #276

Well, If The Shoe Fits... RobinA Aug 2013 #132

Vietnam era distrust in government warrant46 Aug 2013 #136

Most Of Them RobinA Aug 2013 #236

Well someone has to stay and refute your constant crap DontTreadOnMe Aug 2013 #106

This post is disruptive. Agschmid Aug 2013 #115

I am a Democrat that supports our President DontTreadOnMe Aug 2013 #117

You should also try that as well. Agschmid Aug 2013 #121

There was a specific straw man argument made up thread from the ballerina... DontTreadOnMe Aug 2013 #130

Just to rub it in a little more mick063 Aug 2013 #253

you're a democrat that supports the president's conservative policies.. frylock Aug 2013 #304

Pretty harsh don't you think warrant46 Aug 2013 #142

The anger was directed at a specific poster who has been posting the same crap day after day DontTreadOnMe Aug 2013 #151

+1...nt SidDithers Aug 2013 #153

This post was left standing by a jury 3-3 Cal Carpenter Aug 2013 #178

Hear, hear! The jury system here seems akin to a crap shoot from one day to the next. - nt HardTimes99 Aug 2013 #186

Some times the truth needs to stand, even if someones feelings get hurt snooper2 Aug 2013 #199

Personal insults should never stand,no matter who they're sufrommich Aug 2013 #206

there are degrees of everything.. snooper2 Aug 2013 #208

"you should fuck off" isn't a policy issue. sufrommich Aug 2013 #218

I probably would have hid it on second thought.. snooper2 Aug 2013 #220

I totally understand the anger,I just don't like sufrommich Aug 2013 #222

This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass Aug 2013 #215

cool! thanks! snooper2 Aug 2013 #216

Feel tough now? nt Union Scribe Aug 2013 #182

Exactly! 'It's about the policies not the party or person' Little Star Aug 2013 #114

We're "invading" the Middle East now? tridim Aug 2013 #120

You must insulate yourself pretty well with like minded folks. Most Democrats don't resemble the stevenleser Aug 2013 #128

well stated. DontTreadOnMe Aug 2013 #146

There are quite a few here jberryhill Aug 2013 #167

No, actually, I mix with ordinary people. Across the country. Most people agree with the sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #238

+ a gazillion. nt Mojorabbit Aug 2013 #283

There's a big difference between not wanting to attack Syria in general and... Silent3 Aug 2013 #290

"The prevailing sentiment on DU has come to most resemble the furthest left 5% of the Democratic" LondonReign2 Aug 2013 #243

The "Democratic Party" you are speaking of there is the grass roots. If you accept that, then you stevenleser Aug 2013 #245

I agree with your post mick063 Aug 2013 #255

91% of Americans oppose intervention in Syria. That makes Progressive Democrats Mainstream. sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #281

More perpetually disgruntled propganda... just making up statistics....again. DontTreadOnMe Aug 2013 #295

You want to bring down the 'evil government'? sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #297

You are like a child with the name calling. DontTreadOnMe Aug 2013 #303

Lol, as predictable as night following day. sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #305

Yes, referring to the EXTREME LEFT, like yourself - that wants to bring down the "evil" Obama DontTreadOnMe Aug 2013 #306

The population is already to the left of the govt Mojorabbit Aug 2013 #284

Amen to to that. N/t Soundman Aug 2013 #271

Bbbbbut, but, but We have a Democratic President BlueStreak Aug 2013 #148

^ Perfect example of why Neo-DU sucks. tridim Aug 2013 #150

+1000 Rowdyboy Aug 2013 #219

I don't have much but I'll chip in tblue Aug 2013 #293

The only difference I can see BlueStreak Aug 2013 #300

More terrorists tblue Aug 2013 #301

It is entirely irrational for anybody to assume: BlueStreak Aug 2013 #302

Bravo. 840high Aug 2013 #278

Actually, too many "Democrats" acting like Republicans on steroids. eom 99th_Monkey Aug 2013 #57

+1 area51 Aug 2013 #95

+1 AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #107

I finally figured out when a thread was destined to turn into a flame-fest Peacetrain Aug 2013 #135

I can usually tell how divisive a thread will be just by looking at the title. LuvNewcastle Aug 2013 #231

Fuck that. They left me, not the other way around. elehhhhna Aug 2013 #265

Pro-War Dems resemble "Rethuglicans" tblue Aug 2013 #292

I know I hate seeing the neocons get their way again Warpy Aug 2013 #5

Obama's not running again. There are a lot of areas where he ought to do the right thing. Warren DeMontague Aug 2013 #6

Your post is spirited, but not venomous...nt fadedrose Aug 2013 #22

I support the President. I really do. I'm a lifelong Democrat. Warren DeMontague Aug 2013 #24

I think it's safe to say that no one here wants a ground war. That being said, Tarheel_Dem Aug 2013 #7

or is it a continuation of "this president can't do anything wrong" meme? donheld Aug 2013 #9

No ProfessorGAC Aug 2013 #74

I just learned on another thread that "Obama is drooling to start Cha Aug 2013 #25

Yeah, it is very freeperish, the tone, the accusations with never a link or context. It's not info. freshwest Aug 2013 #36

I agree.. It's their own little personal twisted opinion Cha Aug 2013 #39

As much as it must suck to wake up every day Union Scribe Aug 2013 #40

It must suck more to realize you should be president when you wake up every day treestar Aug 2013 #86

It makes DU suck because the comments predictable, no data changes the stance. freshwest Aug 2013 #41

Well the good news is.. someone's "drooling" Cha Aug 2013 #42

AFAIK: freshwest Aug 2013 #233

Tis true tis true! Cha Aug 2013 #267

A movement that doesn't allow others to disagree... Union Scribe Aug 2013 #45

Wow! NealK Aug 2013 #47

Neal K: Supporting Obama is creepy. tridim Aug 2013 #154

here is why du sucks actually SwampG8r Aug 2013 #166

Union Scribe isn't a newbie, what's your excuse for his constant anti-Obama snark? tridim Aug 2013 #168

so its not your fault because that other guy was there too? nt SwampG8r Aug 2013 #171

Supporting Obama is great, exploiting a pretense of support of him as excuse to attack and bolivate Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #189

Can you post the comment you claim was made by Neal K? I looked for it and couldn't find it. sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #240

ODS has a lot to answer for. I hope it's covered under the new healthcare act. Tarheel_Dem Aug 2013 #247

The ODS meme is really silly don't you think? It is like third grade. Mojorabbit Aug 2013 #285

Can't help your "peevs", but I call's 'em as I see's 'em, and that'll never change. Tarheel_Dem Aug 2013 #294

I don't believe he meant that supporting Obama is creepy. What is creepy kas125 Aug 2013 #275

tridim: Totally making shit up. NealK Aug 2013 #296

Why is a group that respects Obama "Creepy"? tridim Aug 2013 #298

Please see Posts 166, 189, 240, 275 NealK Aug 2013 #299

WOW! Had no idea! Rex Aug 2013 #256

Everything will be alright if we just stick together. AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #118

This message was self-deleted by its author tridim Aug 2013 #129

Blah Blah Blah! It's 2013! Don't we deserve a second chance? dogknob Aug 2013 #229

How about Obama is a "piece of shit". zappaman Aug 2013 #224

It's looking like some are just getting sheshe2 Aug 2013 #134

Whether or not he is "drooling", he has given the neocons exactly what they want. At some point, BlueStreak Aug 2013 #174

Bullshit. Cha Aug 2013 #266

Thank you for that insightful commentary BlueStreak Aug 2013 #270

Um, with all due respect, 'hard left liberal' is a bit of an oxymoron. There has not been a viable HardTimes99 Aug 2013 #191

Hell, LBJ looks like a Maoist, now. Eleanors38 Aug 2013 #200

Even Eisenhower appears to have affinities with Karl Marx now :) - nt HardTimes99 Aug 2013 #203

"hard left liberal", AKA "peace purists" MNBrewer Aug 2013 #257

Too many DUers worship Democrats and not the American/world population. donheld Aug 2013 #8

Too many DUers accuse others of "worshpping" because their view Cha Aug 2013 #11

It's called worship because some refuse to admit Barack Obama could possibly be wrong donheld Aug 2013 #13

Same with fucking Greenwald, Assange, and Snowden Cha Aug 2013 #19

You use these adjectives and you expect us to be "nice" to whoever we criticize? cascadiance Aug 2013 #44

I expect you to keep worshipping greenwald, assange, and snowden. Cha Aug 2013 #46

Worshipping Greenwald, Assange, and Snowden? NealK Aug 2013 #50

Worship is such a stupid word in this conext and discussion. morningfog Aug 2013 #94

Worship is a stupid word that was hurled at me for supporting President Obama Cha Aug 2013 #96

Snowden has done plenty wrong. Greenwald's approach leaves much to be criticized. morningfog Aug 2013 #97

are you so filled SwampG8r Aug 2013 #157

^ Another lovely example of why Neo-DU sucks. tridim Aug 2013 #164

these are quotes from every post in this thread she posted SwampG8r Aug 2013 #169

"you are so filled with hate... tridim Aug 2013 #173

hang on i will fix it for you SwampG8r Aug 2013 #176

I think he's a jerk too for posting that trash. tridim Aug 2013 #180

he posted no trash you just trashed him SwampG8r Aug 2013 #181

Let him defend it, that's not how I read his response. tridim Aug 2013 #184

and now i feel sorry for you SwampG8r Aug 2013 #187

That's just super G8r. Later. tridim Aug 2013 #190

DU is fine. Union Scribe Aug 2013 #185

^ Another great example of why neo-DU sucks. tridim Aug 2013 #188

All you do is whine about DU Union Scribe Aug 2013 #192

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The ONLY place I am hearing ANY position that Puglover Aug 2013 #249

There is a reason there are only like 150 members of oldelmtree.com snooper2 Aug 2013 #248

Yeah and the traffic at the other Puglover Aug 2013 #250

And that opinion of yours has been disproven again and again but you keep repeating it. stevenleser Aug 2013 #138

Would that include claims of "Snowden worship"? nt Bonobo Aug 2013 #34

Yup. n/t Cali_Democrat Aug 2013 #260

a very good point. defacto7 Aug 2013 #21

No, but I don't hate them more either.. fadedrose Aug 2013 #23

No one said you can "never disagree" treestar Aug 2013 #87

Some people don't take kindly to mass murder in their name. PowerToThePeople Aug 2013 #10

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I meditated at my shrine TomClash Aug 2013 #20

Is that the buddha who has an asshole for a face? Scootaloo Aug 2013 #53

LOL TomClash Aug 2013 #55

Oye... Agschmid Aug 2013 #116

When a Republican is in office, our complaints are reasons to vote against them. Savannahmann Aug 2013 #14

Criticism, but lacks venom and vitriol fadedrose Aug 2013 #27

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Take a break from DU. Summer Hathaway Aug 2013 #16

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How right you are... fadedrose Aug 2013 #28

Then pursue those other pasttimes Summer Hathaway Aug 2013 #33

Sound advice TomClash Aug 2013 #31

What's with this continued bitterness Union Scribe Aug 2013 #37

I have nothing to "get over". Summer Hathaway Aug 2013 #49

That one must be friends with the one that chronically attacks you davidpdx Aug 2013 #62

Really? Because it reads like you're complaining Union Scribe Aug 2013 #66

Check out my posts Summer Hathaway Aug 2013 #70

So degrading/dehumanizing language isn't an important issue? Union Scribe Aug 2013 #72

People with lifelong loved ones in that community understand that the language used Bluenorthwest Sep 2013 #307

Well said... SidDithers Aug 2013 #158

I just trash the stupid bullshit Cha Aug 2013 #17

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So Does That Tired Defense of Purism ProfessorGAC Aug 2013 #75

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and too many venomous attacks on other DUers. BainsBane Aug 2013 #29

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It's a hate fest. bravenak Aug 2013 #30

Prescisely, bravenak. It's an international coalition. It's just not Cha Aug 2013 #51

This is a very complicated situation. bravenak Aug 2013 #56

Yeah, I've seen that PBO Cha Aug 2013 #58

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Ahem. Union Scribe Aug 2013 #68

The mother of all coalitions. Democracyinkind Aug 2013 #71

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Medicare and Medicaid were health care reform. Union Scribe Aug 2013 #79

Reform means changing to improve what we already have in place. bravenak Aug 2013 #82

Define your way to victory!! MNBrewer Aug 2013 #261

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I feel bad for you. bravenak Aug 2013 #241

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Shock Doctrine from this administration? chervilant Aug 2013 #91

could you have EVER imagined DU as a whole rallying in support of a bombing campaign? in support of Douglas Carpenter Aug 2013 #35

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I used to think that folks on the left were ... JoePhilly Aug 2013 #179

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