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In reply to the discussion: AP IMPACT: study suggests drones kill far fewer civilians than many Pakistanis believe [View all]stevenleser
(32,886 posts)60. No, actually, in wartime, it is neither murder, nor terrorism.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Vengeance
Operation Vengeance was the name given to the military operation to kill Japanese Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto on April 18, 1943, during the Solomon Islands campaign in the Pacific Theater of World War II. Isoroku Yamamoto, commander of the Combined Fleet of the Imperial Japanese Navy, was killed on Bougainville Island when his transport bomber aircraft was shot down by U.S. Army fighter aircraft operating from Henderson Field on Guadalcanal.
The mission of the U.S. aircraft was specifically to kill Yamamoto and was based on United States Navy intelligence on Yamamoto's travel plans in the Solomon Islands area. The death of Yamamoto reportedly damaged the morale of Japanese naval personnel (described by Samuel Eliot Morison as being considered the equivalent of a major defeat in battle), aided the morale of members of the Allied forces, and may have been intended as an act of revenge by U.S. leaders who blamed Yamamoto for the Pearl Harbor attack which initiated the formal state of war between Imperial Japan and the U.S. After the war, more controversy surrounded the legacy of the mission as several of the U.S. fighter pilots involved debated for years over who should have received the aerial victory credit for the downing of Yamamoto's aircraft.
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And, as I already noted, there are always civilian deaths in wartime.
Operation Vengeance was the name given to the military operation to kill Japanese Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto on April 18, 1943, during the Solomon Islands campaign in the Pacific Theater of World War II. Isoroku Yamamoto, commander of the Combined Fleet of the Imperial Japanese Navy, was killed on Bougainville Island when his transport bomber aircraft was shot down by U.S. Army fighter aircraft operating from Henderson Field on Guadalcanal.
The mission of the U.S. aircraft was specifically to kill Yamamoto and was based on United States Navy intelligence on Yamamoto's travel plans in the Solomon Islands area. The death of Yamamoto reportedly damaged the morale of Japanese naval personnel (described by Samuel Eliot Morison as being considered the equivalent of a major defeat in battle), aided the morale of members of the Allied forces, and may have been intended as an act of revenge by U.S. leaders who blamed Yamamoto for the Pearl Harbor attack which initiated the formal state of war between Imperial Japan and the U.S. After the war, more controversy surrounded the legacy of the mission as several of the U.S. fighter pilots involved debated for years over who should have received the aerial victory credit for the downing of Yamamoto's aircraft.
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And, as I already noted, there are always civilian deaths in wartime.
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AP IMPACT: study suggests drones kill far fewer civilians than many Pakistanis believe [View all]
limpyhobbler
Feb 2012
OP
In World War II the ratio was 1 civilian for every 2 dead soldiers for the Axis powers
Johnny Rico
Feb 2012
#12
the very serious problem wth your analogy is that most of the civilians that were
truedelphi
Feb 2012
#25
How does that affect kill ratios and whether they are bad or good? You dont really explain that. nt
stevenleser
Feb 2012
#53
You are asking how the people who lived there knew who was who?Because that is who provided the info
stevenleser
Feb 2012
#51
Not sure why people have a hard time believing there are some hardcore terrorist groups
limpyhobbler
Feb 2012
#6
We should defend our country from fascist terrorists who are plotting to kill us.
limpyhobbler
Feb 2012
#10
Targeted assassinations that allow for the murder of innocents IS TERRORISM!
Nostradammit
Feb 2012
#33
Well, if we are to stay true to the original intent of the people who started this country
Nostradammit
Feb 2012
#37
All due respect to you, there is no such thing as war without civilian deaths.
stevenleser
Feb 2012
#58
you're right. let's just continue to utilize the same costly and ineffective methods..
frylock
Feb 2012
#63
It's easy to understand if you think those terrorist groups pose a real threat.
limpyhobbler
Mar 2012
#71
Obama, Clinton, Panetta, and Petraeus? Aren't they the ones who escalated the war?
Tierra_y_Libertad
Feb 2012
#9
We were attacked by a multistate terror group on 9-11 why did you choose not to address that?
stevenleser
Feb 2012
#57
It poses an insignifican "threat" to America, except that it's bankrupting us.
Tierra_y_Libertad
Feb 2012
#32
So it sounds like we need to take steps to change both reality and perception n/t
DisgustipatedinCA
Feb 2012
#11
Yes, well said, and to extend your analogy, people here insist on superficial interpretations
stevenleser
Feb 2012
#55
These numbers are worse than what the Bureau of Investigative Journalism found.
joshcryer
Feb 2012
#30
It's interesting that some are reflexively attacking the article with no backup whatsoever
stevenleser
Feb 2012
#54