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bravenak

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241. I feel bad for you.

Wed Aug 28, 2013, 01:28 PM

Aug 2013

You never did say how Obamacare hurt you. Maybe you were being disingenuous.
A millennial is so beneath you, right? I am a voracious reader with a high intelligence quotient, therefore I'm positive I can understand perfectly well what's written.
I have no delusions about president Obama. We will never have a perfect leader, but I voted for him. While I may not agree with everything he has done, I cannot call him a failure. Because he's not.
Generational narcissistic bubble? You sound like that column from your link. I've read tha very same collumn before an I thought the same thing then that I think now. It sounds like Cornell West blathering on blaming the president for everything.
So how did Obamacare hurt you? How? I want to believe you are not making stuff up to support the idea that everything Obama does is bad. But you may be. And it's pathetic.
These millennials that you look down upon are the future of this country. I can see from your words that wisdom isn't guaranteed as you age.
Obama is not your enemy. Congress is. The right is.
So how exactly did Obamacare hurt you? Is he sending you to a death panel? A FEMA camp?
The reason I told you that about my cousin is so you could see that Obamacare helps people, and as it takes full effect It will help more people. My brother in law just got some money back from his insurance company and his rate went down. He's paying much less than he was paying before.
It may help you and yours too.
Insult me all you want to, it helps me up my game and deal with childish insults from grown men.
Independent huh? Methinks not.

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Hmm fadedrose Aug 2013 #2

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That's a fair point, especially with the example you give Scootaloo Aug 2013 #38

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Flimsy evidence treestar Aug 2013 #85

Compare two what? Scootaloo Aug 2013 #98

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This post is disruptive. Agschmid Aug 2013 #115

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You should also try that as well. Agschmid Aug 2013 #121

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you're a democrat that supports the president's conservative policies.. frylock Aug 2013 #304

Pretty harsh don't you think warrant46 Aug 2013 #142

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Hear, hear! The jury system here seems akin to a crap shoot from one day to the next. - nt HardTimes99 Aug 2013 #186

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there are degrees of everything.. snooper2 Aug 2013 #208

"you should fuck off" isn't a policy issue. sufrommich Aug 2013 #218

I probably would have hid it on second thought.. snooper2 Aug 2013 #220

I totally understand the anger,I just don't like sufrommich Aug 2013 #222

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cool! thanks! snooper2 Aug 2013 #216

Feel tough now? nt Union Scribe Aug 2013 #182

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We're "invading" the Middle East now? tridim Aug 2013 #120

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well stated. DontTreadOnMe Aug 2013 #146

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+ a gazillion. nt Mojorabbit Aug 2013 #283

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91% of Americans oppose intervention in Syria. That makes Progressive Democrats Mainstream. sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #281

More perpetually disgruntled propganda... just making up statistics....again. DontTreadOnMe Aug 2013 #295

You want to bring down the 'evil government'? sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #297

You are like a child with the name calling. DontTreadOnMe Aug 2013 #303

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or is it a continuation of "this president can't do anything wrong" meme? donheld Aug 2013 #9

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AFAIK: freshwest Aug 2013 #233

Tis true tis true! Cha Aug 2013 #267

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so its not your fault because that other guy was there too? nt SwampG8r Aug 2013 #171

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Blah Blah Blah! It's 2013! Don't we deserve a second chance? dogknob Aug 2013 #229

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Bullshit. Cha Aug 2013 #266

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It's called worship because some refuse to admit Barack Obama could possibly be wrong donheld Aug 2013 #13

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I expect you to keep worshipping greenwald, assange, and snowden. Cha Aug 2013 #46

Worshipping Greenwald, Assange, and Snowden? NealK Aug 2013 #50

Worship is such a stupid word in this conext and discussion. morningfog Aug 2013 #94

Worship is a stupid word that was hurled at me for supporting President Obama Cha Aug 2013 #96

Snowden has done plenty wrong. Greenwald's approach leaves much to be criticized. morningfog Aug 2013 #97

are you so filled SwampG8r Aug 2013 #157

^ Another lovely example of why Neo-DU sucks. tridim Aug 2013 #164

these are quotes from every post in this thread she posted SwampG8r Aug 2013 #169

"you are so filled with hate... tridim Aug 2013 #173

hang on i will fix it for you SwampG8r Aug 2013 #176

I think he's a jerk too for posting that trash. tridim Aug 2013 #180

he posted no trash you just trashed him SwampG8r Aug 2013 #181

Let him defend it, that's not how I read his response. tridim Aug 2013 #184

and now i feel sorry for you SwampG8r Aug 2013 #187

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Yeah and the traffic at the other Puglover Aug 2013 #250

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Would that include claims of "Snowden worship"? nt Bonobo Aug 2013 #34

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I have nothing to "get over". Summer Hathaway Aug 2013 #49

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Prescisely, bravenak. It's an international coalition. It's just not Cha Aug 2013 #51

This is a very complicated situation. bravenak Aug 2013 #56

Yeah, I've seen that PBO Cha Aug 2013 #58

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Medicare and Medicaid were health care reform. Union Scribe Aug 2013 #79

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