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IdaBriggs

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Wed Aug 28, 2013, 07:48 PM Aug 2013

So I asked my friends from Syria about my "I support intervention" stance. [View all]

At least one person I usually respect has a different opinion, and while the nitwits insisting I am a pro-Bush pro-Iraq war monger who hates the troops and supports murder while living in a Hollywood fantasy land because I am an al-Quaida cheerleader who doesn't know how to use criticsl thinking skills and hates 'Murika (you get the idea ) are being over the top in their outrage, realistically it is a message board, and sometimes a good old fashioned flame war happens with controversial topics.

Anyway, the thread has generated hundreds of replies, and most of them are derogatory and disagree with my stance. Since most of the opinions are repetitive (see why I hate 'Murika as defined above ) I thought I would share this post where people might actually be able to read it.

To be fair, I am a pretty busy person, and most of my opinions have been formed through my horror of children being killed and my social network; I get most of my news from DU, but my "Middle East" policy thoughts are heavily influenced by my social circle which includes a guy who served in the Israeli military with advanced degrees in the history and politics of the region, dear friends who visit family in Egypt (siblings have participated in the street demonstrations there), my Iraqi refugee neighbors, and the family who provide child care for my children who are from Syria, among others.

If you are confused by all of this, I live in southeastern Michigan, which has one of the largest populations of Muslims in the country, and my children went to a Muslim preschool. (No, we are not Muslim.)

So I want Assad gone. As I said, I was pretty surprised by the venom my post received, so I decided to double check on the propriety of my stance when I picked up my kids after work.

I asked the (Syrian) family who run the place if I was wrong. They started laughing. No, they told me. The US needs to intervene. They hold no hope that Assad will be removed - they are more realistic than I am. But Ahmad's brother lives in Damascus, and he described in emotional terms how his brother was awakened in the middle of the night, went out on his balcony on the fourth floor, and watched the missiles fly over head that carried the chemical weapons that landed 7 km/5 miles (he used both measures so I could understand how close his brother was) that killed the children. He said that it isn't 1,300 dead from the attack - it is between 5,000 and 6,000.

I asked them (one of his daughters was in the room) if they were afraid of someone worse taking over.

They started laughing. "What worse can someone do?" they asked me. And then they tried to explain just how completely messed up things are there.

They support intervention. I am their friend, and I support it, too.

To some folks here on DU, that makes me an Evil Person. I am sorry you feel that way. I like to think it isn't true, but everyone is entitled to their opinion.

What I want will probably not happen the way I want it. I accept that. I still support intervention and I pray that Obama and his leadership team will make good decisions for the benefit of the Syrian people.

They say we are all within dix degrees of seperation of each other. My children spend all day with a woman (Ahmad's youngest daughter) whose uncle watched missiles fly overhead the other night that killed children I have never met. I refused to look at the Facebook pictures of the horror posted by their family members who took them. I was brought to tears by his story of his five year grand-niece whose friends are dead, who is still trying to grapple with the fact she isn't.

These are not things I want anyone to have to deal with, and I want Assad out of power. I would like the people who committed such atrocities held accountable.

And I don't want other people to live through such horror filled nights as the brother of the man I trust to watch over my children.

Flame away, DU. I stand by my position.

Because while some folk really think it is all about being an ignorant al-Quaida loving war mongering moron, for me it is about "not letting tyrants slaughter people."

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This message was self-deleted by its author G_j Aug 2013 #1
dig deeper. cali Aug 2013 #2
that was uncalled for. Whisp Aug 2013 #12
She must be the queen of Snark. lumpy Aug 2013 #14
I think cali is simply stating the OP is ill informed at best. avaistheone1 Aug 2013 #30
Bam HangOnKids Aug 2013 #42
Your 6 hidden posts suggest other wise. HangOnKids Aug 2013 #41
Just because someone burns your books doesn't make one wrong. n/t jtuck004 Aug 2013 #48
What ever HangOnKids Aug 2013 #49
^^this post^^ underscores the point the other person was making jtuck004 Aug 2013 #70
Word salad HangOnKids Aug 2013 #73
Food for your strawman. n/t jtuck004 Aug 2013 #75
Sorry not playing HangOnKids Aug 2013 #76
Don't bet on it. LOL. jtuck004 Aug 2013 #80
Speaking of fortes.... Bobbie Jo Aug 2013 #85
Apparently the administration is consulting with you... Hekate Aug 2013 #71
i know some syrians but they are of armenian/christian background JI7 Aug 2013 #3
Thank you for posting this Yo_Mama Aug 2013 #4
damn, so now you posted two OPs cheerleading this potential invasion quinnox Aug 2013 #5
anecdotal is not anecdata elehhhhna Aug 2013 #28
Big Agenda Rolling Around HangOnKids Aug 2013 #45
missed the other thread G_j Aug 2013 #38
Yea. I'm not trying to be mean to the OP or anything, but war is serious shit, and it makes me quinnox Aug 2013 #44
I hear you G_j Aug 2013 #78
What good has our intervention achieved recently? CJCRANE Aug 2013 #6
The limited air support in Libya worked out well bhikkhu Aug 2013 #13
Libya also didn't have a seven-way civil war going on Scootaloo Aug 2013 #27
I wouldn't argue with that bhikkhu Aug 2013 #52
If we were going to intervene, it should hav been then. Scootaloo Aug 2013 #58
I started hearing about Syria around then (2 years or so). IdaBriggs Aug 2013 #60
Thanks. elleng Aug 2013 #7
The banality of evil. Vinnie From Indy Aug 2013 #8
Right? I don't hear any Syrians in SYRIA saying "bomb my country" elehhhhna Aug 2013 #31
I don't think that you are an evil person or a war monger. War and peace is a deeply personal bluestate10 Aug 2013 #9
That's some characterization of your thread, considering you did not even respond to my Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #10
My apologies, but by the time your very thoughtful post was made, IdaBriggs Aug 2013 #21
Cubans in Florida want us to oust Castro. REP Aug 2013 #11
she has already stated she expects others to spill their red blood to oust Assad magical thyme Aug 2013 #20
Yeah! :) IdaBriggs Aug 2013 #22
This message was self-deleted by its author HangOnKids Aug 2013 #47
There are tyrants worldwide - why this country? TBF Aug 2013 #15
I think the chemical weapons this week did it for me. IdaBriggs Aug 2013 #65
I'm torn - I think the chemical weapons thing happened but I'm not sure who is behind it TBF Aug 2013 #86
Thanks for a thoughtful post. riqster Aug 2013 #16
I hope your friends are not killed by the missles Marrah_G Aug 2013 #17
Ida...what's happened to you? KoKo Aug 2013 #18
KoKo, it is still me. IdaBriggs Aug 2013 #23
Okay...thanks...I though it was you. And thanks for your reply... KoKo Aug 2013 #26
I think you want a TV show, or a movie ..... oldhippie Aug 2013 #35
Your first paragraph would be the ideal solution (minus the insults, of course). IdaBriggs Aug 2013 #50
Our missles will kill alot of innocent Syrians Marrah_G Aug 2013 #91
They say "who could be worse?" Trust me, there are worse people to have in charge 7962 Aug 2013 #46
I oppose intervention, but any suggestion that there are rash decisions being made is just foolish alcibiades_mystery Aug 2013 #19
I agree with you davidpdx Aug 2013 #66
You have been making some very good posts on this subject. IdaBriggs Aug 2013 #88
I took some time and read through your post. bvar22 Aug 2013 #24
Mahalo IdaBriggs~ You state your case well. Cha Aug 2013 #25
P.S. what would your Syrian friends say to those who Cha Aug 2013 #29
I believe the extensive evidence by pretty much everybody IdaBriggs Aug 2013 #53
Just as I thought.. Thank you for replying, Ida. Cha Aug 2013 #54
So, my friends from Syria support the government and oppose the terrorists? So what? David__77 Aug 2013 #32
Different opinions? On a message board? And they (gasp) SHARE THEM? IdaBriggs Aug 2013 #39
No, I praise that there are different opinions expressed. David__77 Aug 2013 #40
I understand. For me, it is the eternal truth IdaBriggs Aug 2013 #43
Detroit wants demoracy, but the current government is letting them sink HangOnKids Aug 2013 #51
Not really sure what you are trying to say; my opinion IdaBriggs Aug 2013 #55
This message was self-deleted by its author HangOnKids Aug 2013 #57
An incredibly heartfelt Summer Hathaway Aug 2013 #33
let's be clear-- I'd be very happy to see Assad deposed.... mike_c Aug 2013 #34
I understand this position, but I actually do support a "global IdaBriggs Aug 2013 #62
Definitely an interesting perspective. Just Saying Aug 2013 #36
I disagree with your stance. LWolf Aug 2013 #37
The nice thing about a discussion board... IdaBriggs Aug 2013 #61
Finally somebody remade the "I have a black friend" argument for foreign policy. LeftyMom Aug 2013 #56
ftw frylock Aug 2013 #59
How brave you are KT2000 Aug 2013 #63
My ex-Israeli military friend always says, IdaBriggs Aug 2013 #64
The only thing I have learned from you here is that you want OTHER people Vinnie From Indy Aug 2013 #72
everyone except the Palestinians Marrah_G Aug 2013 #92
It is a quote from someone I respect. And he has *definite* IdaBriggs Aug 2013 #93
. Marrah_G Aug 2013 #95
The most interesting part that I caught from your post davidpdx Aug 2013 #67
Yeah, I asked a homeless guy I know NoOneMan Aug 2013 #68
That was thoughtful, and thank you for your courage in sharing it here and now Hekate Aug 2013 #69
Post removed Post removed Aug 2013 #74
no doubt you could have found many Iraqis living in America who wanted Saddam gone so much that they Douglas Carpenter Aug 2013 #77
Assad is scum. That is not up for debate, it's a fact. Warpy Aug 2013 #79
Sigh. NealK Aug 2013 #81
nothing in there about our own constitution; the claim that this is about OUR national security bigtree Aug 2013 #82
That is your opinion and you are entitled to it. Glassunion Aug 2013 #83
I get what you are saying. The war against the Syrian people IdaBriggs Aug 2013 #84
Then allow me to ask some questions. Savannahmann Aug 2013 #87
I have no answers. I really wish I did. But, it is a very difficult situation. Glassunion Aug 2013 #90
Dropping bombs ( and our bombs are the big ass kind) on Damascus will not do that Marrah_G Aug 2013 #94
You make very good points. Jamastiene Aug 2013 #89
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