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bhikkhu

(10,789 posts)
20. Oh please....
Wed Aug 28, 2013, 11:11 PM
Aug 2013

That 16 trillion dollars is one of the most bogus numbers trotted around on the internet. The sum that was "in play" at any given time during the TARP program (which the number comes from) was about $500 million. That $500 million was loaned out and repaid back many times in various sums totalling about 21,000 transactions; short-term loans at very low or zero interests to unfreeze the credit markets. Total all the loans and you get some trillions of dollars, total the repayments and you also get some trillions of dollars.

Most of the real arguments about how it was a hand-out objected to the lack of interest, and pointed to the loss of $50 million or so in interest that would have been collected if it were charged at market rates. There's a brief summary of it here: http://www.investopedia.com/articles/economics/12/tarp-4-years-later.asp but its not hard to find more in-depth information. Its also pretty easy to find ridiculous distortions, as the teabaggers have been running lies about it for years, the repugs distorted it for every sound bite they could in the last two elections, and certain elements here have been setting their own hair on fire about it regularly, in the absence of good information.

To me, that baloney is just an excuse to stay angry and uninformed, and to continue to promote the idea that nothing anybody does makes a difference.

I'll stick by what I said in the beginning - a well-informed person votes with his or her wallet, and makes a real difference every day. If you don't like a bank, don't give them your money. If you don't like a corporation, don't give them your money. If you look at the balance sheets or the cash-flow of any corporation or bank, they are almost entirely dependent on people voting for them, giving them money, every single day. If you don't like it, STOP, and tell others to do the same. I'd make a good argument that its the only way to make the kind of difference most people want to see.

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It's obscene that those who expose wrong doing pay such a high price. Autumn Aug 2013 #1
Going forward mikeysnot Aug 2013 #2
I'm not even sure that would be possible with them going after journalists sources Autumn Aug 2013 #3
even the journalists didn't know who he/they were... mikeysnot Aug 2013 #14
What happened to him is the same thing that is done to homeowners Waiting For Everyman Aug 2013 #4
+1 And that's the bottom line. Egalitarian Thug Aug 2013 #5
Chilling, so much systemic dishonesty and corruption with no real refuge. avaistheone1 Aug 2013 #6
The truth is buried,. intentionally obscured, hidden from sight, covered over, and blacked out. Civilization2 Aug 2013 #7
Everyone has been paid off. n/t L0oniX Aug 2013 #9
They have stacked the Courts of Appeals with "their" Justices and now appeal any adverse Dustlawyer Aug 2013 #8
The man who knows too much votes with his wallet bhikkhu Aug 2013 #10
Thank you for saying this. bhikku.... prairierose Aug 2013 #11
The problem is that even if people didn't give corproations another red cent, truedelphi Aug 2013 #19
Oh please.... bhikkhu Aug 2013 #20
OPh please, yourselfr. truedelphi Aug 2013 #24
If you read through to the GAO audit summary at the end of Taibbi's article bhikkhu Aug 2013 #25
Exactly! raouldukelives Aug 2013 #22
Tryanny of the plurailty zipplewrath Aug 2013 #26
KRB Octafish Aug 2013 #12
HUGE K & R !!! WillyT Aug 2013 #13
Yet another example of how we're unravelling Hydra Aug 2013 #15
I totally agree with you gopiscrap Aug 2013 #16
Union-Busting had a Lot Of Help from the DLC wing. HumansAndResources Aug 2013 #23
If I were him, I'd stay off small planes. Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2013 #17
The people who expose actual crimes are the ones who get punished. Initech Aug 2013 #18
Hi Initech - truedelphi Aug 2013 #27
Warm? That's an understatement! Initech Aug 2013 #30
"It's a big club, and you ain't in it." Amonester Aug 2013 #21
Andno one knows this more than the whistleblowers and the real scientists: truedelphi Aug 2013 #28
K & R Quantess Aug 2013 #29
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