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115. Because it is the same PNAC crew that is currently pushing for this war,. same as Iraq.

Fri Aug 30, 2013, 08:47 AM

Aug 2013

Obama seems to have little sway or wiggle room over the directives delivered to him from the Corporate-Military, or he simply is on board with them. Either way, the direction is decided by corporate-banksters not the congress or the american people.

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Alan Grayson: attacking Syria is the "wrong decision," Obama "boxed himself in" w/the "redline" [View all] nashville_brook Aug 2013 OP

he sure did box himself in with the redline comment. neverforget Aug 2013 #1

that move, i think, could only come from pressure from very big interests nashville_brook Aug 2013 #2

He doesn't need to be. If the U.N. found evidence DirkGently Aug 2013 #5

You are right. avaistheone1 Aug 2013 #7

it's almost as if it's not for the good of the country, but rather for the good of a balance sheet. nashville_brook Aug 2013 #99

Because it is the same PNAC crew that is currently pushing for this war,. same as Iraq. Civilization2 Aug 2013 #115

and as Grayson points out, the evidence is actually pointing to conventional weapons nashville_brook Aug 2013 #17

Congress & America are tired of the conceit of the Unitary Executive DirkGently Aug 2013 #30

i don't think Congress wants to have to have this power. nashville_brook Aug 2013 #39

Good. Indecision on this "issue" is better than a decisive DirkGently Aug 2013 #41

yes, i think that's the overriding feeling here. nashville_brook Aug 2013 #44

And that's the problem (we now want the U.N. to stop looking) in a nut shell. Little Star Aug 2013 #56

lack of transparency is becoming quite a theme in this administration. nashville_brook Aug 2013 #58

True and it's really sad. There was so much hope. sigh Little Star Aug 2013 #62

Hope and change have died. lark Aug 2013 #66

Sad but it sure does look that way. I hope I'm wrong. I'd be happy to be wrong. Little Star Aug 2013 #67

I keep hoping I'm wrong as well. lark Aug 2013 #68

i don't believe that he was aware of the pressure that would come from his campaign funders, nashville_brook Aug 2013 #75

is it that noticeable? Supersedeas Aug 2013 #95

He's not boxed in. Any more than he was boxed in when he said, grahamhgreen Aug 2013 #33

good point -- he'll back out of a position when the big dogs howl loudly enough nashville_brook Aug 2013 #49

Ah is that another of those 3 D chess moves? n/t doc03 Aug 2013 #76

I just heard an interview with an ambassador on MSNBC neverforget Aug 2013 #77

Actually, he didn't box himself in as much as republicans would like you to believe. Veilex Aug 2013 #107

Obama has to protect his "Red Line" credibility...by killing people. Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2013 #3

clearly it's the sensible thing to do. nashville_brook Aug 2013 #4

Bravo, Congressman Grayson! K&R. bullwinkle428 Aug 2013 #6

nice to a hear real discussion of the interests involved nashville_brook Aug 2013 #10

DURec leftstreet Aug 2013 #8

K&R! Fantastic Anarchist Aug 2013 #9

Recommended. But you know that's not a real box and it's easy Autumn Aug 2013 #11

indeed -- that's the job of the Commander in Chief, not Raytheon nashville_brook Aug 2013 #12

Options like delivering Cheney to the Hague, if he cares about war crimes. Faryn Balyncd Aug 2013 #14

i think this might be the source of progressive pushback, if he cared about warcrimes nashville_brook Aug 2013 #20

We need a "Dispatches From Under The Bus" Forum Doctor_J Aug 2013 #13

my sense of Grayson is that he's one of the most intelligent House members we've seen in ages nashville_brook Aug 2013 #16

Agreed. n/t Laelth Aug 2013 #55

+1 Trazillion Little Star Aug 2013 #70

Excellent idea!!!! HooptieWagon Aug 2013 #18

a dungeon for bus-tossers. LOVE! nashville_brook Aug 2013 #24

Thank You (again), Congressman Grayson. bvar22 Aug 2013 #15

the smart ones aren't dazzled by PR games nashville_brook Aug 2013 #98

The dumbest yet possibly most human reasons a politician would go to war is HereSince1628 Aug 2013 #19

it's definitely worth hoping that Obama understands this nashville_brook Aug 2013 #22

I agree, the advocacy of people he turned to for advice HereSince1628 Aug 2013 #27

BBC: USA will look inept and weak if they don't bomb... upi402 Aug 2013 #21

the Beeb has been out in front on this...remarkable coverage and analysis. nashville_brook Aug 2013 #23

I'd rather look inept and weak moonlady0623 Aug 2013 #57

ewww! "dead...pumped up with testosterone" nashville_brook Aug 2013 #74

Many more bad images set to be reality moonlady0623 Aug 2013 #86

Thank you Alan Grayson! Scuba Aug 2013 #25

Rookie mistake, or an excuse? truebluegreen Aug 2013 #26

Yes, possibly just an excuse for the mic to do what it wants... polichick Aug 2013 #28

Add this point: the evidence points to an unauthorized launch by a local unit commander. leveymg Aug 2013 #29

yes! the BBC was reporting on this yesterday. holy cow. nashville_brook Aug 2013 #36

I think there is a strong possibility it was a rogue commander davidpdx Aug 2013 #111

the reThugs are hoping he does attack Syria...so they can Impeach him ElsewheresDaughter Aug 2013 #31

maybe not impeach formally, but definitely politically. nashville_brook Aug 2013 #37

Even if the GOP doesn't Impeach, it will divide the Dems going into '14. Like '68. leveymg Aug 2013 #52

eggsactly. nashville_brook Aug 2013 #54

Thnx. ;-) leveymg Aug 2013 #61

Let's hope so ElsewheresDaughter Aug 2013 #63

grounds for Impeachment...Cantor and crybaby are waiting ElsewheresDaughter Aug 2013 #32

not disagreeing...just for information purpose... nashville_brook Aug 2013 #38

heard it on msnbc or faux this morning.....Rollcall has article..... ElsewheresDaughter Aug 2013 #43

that makes perfect sense. this would create a record of who will be vulnerable on the position nashville_brook Aug 2013 #53

I concur n/t ElsewheresDaughter Aug 2013 #59

what's the problem moonlady0623 Aug 2013 #60

It's members of congress. It has nothing to do with 'preteen idol worship' or 'rose colored glasses' stevenleser Aug 2013 #72

Really? moonlady0623 Aug 2013 #87

Yes, really. Did you not understand the post to which you were responding? It's about congress. nt stevenleser Aug 2013 #91

Oh I understand moonlady0623 Aug 2013 #93

All I can think of fredamae Aug 2013 #34

i think this is the worst part of the whole thing: that it undermines our trust. nashville_brook Aug 2013 #35

I believe in Grayson also fredamae Aug 2013 #42

and that's by design -- the Tea Party/Drown Government crowd wants us to have no faith in ourselves nashville_brook Aug 2013 #47

I also trust Grayson. He gives me hope for change when most others don't.... Little Star Aug 2013 #69

Send money railsback Aug 2013 #40

send money to who? nashville_brook Aug 2013 #45

Doh! railsback Aug 2013 #48

^^ so you think Grayson is going out on a limb with this...(wait for it)...to FUNDRAISE? nashville_brook Aug 2013 #50

Well, duh, yeah - check out his fundraising railsback Aug 2013 #81

He can get donations from corporations. They're aren't many corps who are Ds and actually support... Sunlei Aug 2013 #118

For such a reputedly intelligent man, the President seems to have a real learning disability Egalitarian Thug Aug 2013 #46

K&R Thank you. felix_numinous Aug 2013 #51

We need to make a loud noise against war with Syria NOW! WHEN CRABS ROAR Aug 2013 #64

K&R idwiyo Aug 2013 #65

I usually agree with most of what Grayson states, but... DontTreadOnMe Aug 2013 #71

that jumped out at me as particularly ballsy. nashville_brook Aug 2013 #73

But the WH doesn't want to wait for U.N. inspections. DirkGently Aug 2013 #80

"request to extend"... not dismiss them from happening DontTreadOnMe Aug 2013 #83

He can unbox himself by convening Congress and Cleita Aug 2013 #78

Well said. n/t DirkGently Aug 2013 #101

K & R AzDar Aug 2013 #79

"Nobody wants this except for the military industrial complex - ding ding ding ding ding!!!!!!! Initech Aug 2013 #82

yeah man.... fight the good fight.... pass the bong! DontTreadOnMe Aug 2013 #84

Seriously? I was quoting what was in the OP. Initech Aug 2013 #85

yes, I know. I wasn't directing it at you, but that statement... DontTreadOnMe Aug 2013 #88

We are in agreement there! Initech Aug 2013 #90

Whatever we call it -- MIC, PNAC, there are large DirkGently Aug 2013 #92

Suspect the interests of the MIC will win out over the public interest indepat Aug 2013 #89

could be, but we aren't going to roll over and shut up. nashville_brook Aug 2013 #100

How is he boxed in? Spirochete Aug 2013 #94

Obviously that wouldn't be a Grayson message nashville_brook Aug 2013 #97

To the HON. Mr Grayson, BillyRibs Aug 2013 #96

I HATE our politics.... Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2013 #102

Seriously, he is saying the chemical weapons were not used? treestar Aug 2013 #103

listen to the clip -- he's saying the evidence is ambiguous nashville_brook Aug 2013 #113

Fuck the Red Line RiverStone Aug 2013 #104

Grayson FTW yoloisalie Aug 2013 #105

Sniping is easy, making decisions is the hard part....n/t 4bucksagallon Aug 2013 #106

you're suggesting Grayson is "sniping" -- is that what you're calling it? nashville_brook Aug 2013 #112

good advice. I don't think the red line comment was intended to 'guarantee war' . Sunlei Aug 2013 #108

you know, of course, that the US has the largest stockpile of chemical weapons in the world nashville_brook Aug 2013 #114

I don't know about stockpiles and yes, I know the US gov has a longgggg history of extermination. Sunlei Aug 2013 #116

. blkmusclmachine Aug 2013 #109

Republican leadership (oxymoron) The Wizard Aug 2013 #110

good points!I think the republicans elected are used to lobbyists,corp boards,political 'charities', Sunlei Aug 2013 #119

The Powers To Be now are the same as they were under Bush. They transcend presidents. rhett o rick Aug 2013 #117