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Celefin

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19. Now if these beautiful children here were charred remains...

Fri Aug 30, 2013, 01:48 PM

Aug 2013

...their blackened corpses still twisted in agony, reminding you of what white phosphorous does to a living being (like in Fallujah)...
then this wouldn't even have been reported.
It would have been a legal atrocity and therefore not very interesting. No one would have paid much attention and the latest atrocity (this time indeed with white phosporous) would most likely have gone unnoticed. Just another day in hell.

I've got three beautiful kids myself and I'm so sick of this shit and the hypocrisy surrounding it.

There is NO way a military intervention is going to improve the situation. None. At best it will have no effect.
How about helping child-refugees with a hundred million dollars instead of causing sixty huge explosions?
How about helping neighboring countries deal with the stream of refugees?

But hey, that's boring. Let's add some cruise missiles to the mix, why not.
The beauty of high explosives: fireworks on CNN, a satisfying feeling of righteousness and most importantly no photo opportunities when you turn those kids into red mist or bury them under collapsing buildings. Because that's somehow nothing to get worked up about anymore.

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Watching John Kerry give Colin Powell's speech I am disgusted [View all] 1-Old-Man Aug 2013 OP

Sickening malaise Aug 2013 #1

Yep. Recall congress. What is the Goddamn rush? Little Star Aug 2013 #17

Is he holding up any vials of chemical icky stuff? leftstreet Aug 2013 #2

Here's an empty vial for you (warning pix of dead children): KittyWampus Aug 2013 #5

Did Syria do those, or the US? leftstreet Aug 2013 #6

oh you mean like when we sold biological weapons to Iraq and they used them on their own citizens an boomer55 Aug 2013 #8

Shhh leftstreet Aug 2013 #10

best post ever infinity elehhhhna Aug 2013 #95

lol Love it. ctsnowman Aug 2013 #148

Its way easier to keep your hands tied iamthebandfanman Aug 2013 #20

Except TimeToGo Aug 2013 #58

Oh. Then never mind. elehhhhna Aug 2013 #96

I suspect that the local Kurds may have minded a tad. ChairmanAgnostic Aug 2013 #103

+1 No kidding Harmony Blue Aug 2013 #15

Syria NEVER attacked us! Rockyj Aug 2013 #165

Now if these beautiful children here were charred remains... Celefin Aug 2013 #19

I dont think it's because it's "boring" robbob Aug 2013 #48

It's also marketing... *sigh* and of course you're right. Celefin Aug 2013 #62

Follow the money. pangaia Aug 2013 #114

Yes, it's interesting that the photos of the children in Fallujah were never shown sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #166

I'll remember that you, KittyWampus, Enthusiast Aug 2013 #29

I am against bombing Syria. So remember that Enthusiast. When you approve of comparing an empty vial KittyWampus Aug 2013 #36

It's possible, yes, but I prefer to acknowledge the similarities and sense of deja vu. elehhhhna Aug 2013 #97

this times 1000 qazplm Aug 2013 #179

You mean it might affect you? treestar Aug 2013 #100

No. It's not going to effect me. Enthusiast Aug 2013 #106

Why does it encourage military action? treestar Aug 2013 #109

Never address me. Enthusiast Aug 2013 #132

too bad. Public message board. A photo of something that actually happened treestar Aug 2013 #149

I couldn't tell if it was Fallujah, or the slaughtere of the Iraqis, many of them children sabrina 1 Sep 2013 #201

Frankly, I find it sickening that you keep posting these pictures to make your argument n/t Jeroen Aug 2013 #33

Better to look at the picture of those dead babies than Skidmore Aug 2013 #38

Did I pretend that the attack was some sort of minor dusting? Jeroen Aug 2013 #43

Incinerated you say? atreides1 Aug 2013 #65

And we do Carolina Aug 2013 #122

They will never show us the dead babies WE create when we strike AtheistCrusader Aug 2013 #68

How many American children die every year because of our policies on Heather MC Aug 2013 #140

They said the same thing about Bosnia in the 90s shotten99 Aug 2013 #142

"Conflicts" is a pleasant word for war Heather MC Aug 2013 #144

I agree, but honestly believe this isn't going to be a big deal on our part shotten99 Sep 2013 #200

I find it sick that some DU'ers claim this didn't happen, it's false flag or it's akin to Powell's KittyWampus Aug 2013 #46

No one is denying this horrible attack Jeroen Aug 2013 #57

+1000000 Jamastiene Sep 2013 #203

We're not claiming the attack didn't happen. Maedhros Aug 2013 #60

+ one million Celefin Aug 2013 #64

DU'ers are saying Kerry's speech = Colin Powell's vial. THAT IT IS A FACT. KittyWampus Aug 2013 #72

They are both overstating their case Maedhros Aug 2013 #75

In what way is Kerry overstating? Just Saying Aug 2013 #79

Conclusive evidence has not been presented that shows Assad is responspible. Maedhros Aug 2013 #93

Yes some DUers make that equation Celefin Aug 2013 #78

Some DU'ers are not claiming this did not happen. RC Aug 2013 #71

Is beating someone to death because they are gay more heinous that just beating someone to death? KittyWampus Aug 2013 #73

Scatter shot. RC Aug 2013 #82

there were a *few* posts saying the "dead kids" were drugged for the photo. dionysus Aug 2013 #126

What, is this sort of claim suddenly a problem? Scootaloo Aug 2013 #162

sorry man, i've never seen it before.. i stay out of I/P usually. dionysus Aug 2013 #192

I don't blame you Scootaloo Aug 2013 #193

cool. dionysus Aug 2013 #198

Exactly! ctsnowman Aug 2013 #155

+1 n/t IL Lib Aug 2013 #107

I find it sick that you're rooting for an attack that will likely kill many more people. NealK Sep 2013 #204

And that warning does what we one has already scrolled down the ohheckyeah Aug 2013 #59

I guess that means we must kill. Right? Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2013 #88

...and HOW many children did WE kill in Iraq? bvar22 Aug 2013 #94

as if you really cared fascisthunter Aug 2013 #128

Good thing our cruise missiles and drones are child safe. /nt Marr Aug 2013 #139

Assad us a lightweight when it comes to killing babies. MyNameGoesHere Aug 2013 #147

I'm sure you will post pics of the innocent dead from a US attack too. L0oniX Aug 2013 #170

But where is the incubator cord outlet? Warning...we're not idiots. libdem4life Aug 2013 #194

glad I don't have TV FirstLight Aug 2013 #3

Kinda feel a war/distraction is needed so they can fast-track/pass TPP which is a stillwaiting Aug 2013 #4

^This, what about the previous deaths before, this so called chemical attack? JRLeft Aug 2013 #9

+1: Distraction is exactly what it is Ocelot Aug 2013 #41

So "they" just got on the phone with their good buddy, Skidmore Aug 2013 #92

Ah yes... 99Forever Aug 2013 #154

Sometimes shadows are just shadows. Skidmore Aug 2013 #159

Having watched the reality of what ... 99Forever Aug 2013 #167

Wow! That's a whole lot of assuming you are doing about someone Skidmore Aug 2013 #174

My previous post updated.. 99Forever Aug 2013 #180

Very creative way to name call. Skidmore Aug 2013 #181

Excuse me? 99Forever Aug 2013 #185

new boss same as the old boss. n/t boomer55 Aug 2013 #7

They are all pod people now G_j Aug 2013 #11

Secretary John Kerry: No plan for war. ProSense Aug 2013 #12

Horseshit. His entire speech was a call to war 1-Old-Man Aug 2013 #14

I agree. avaistheone1 Aug 2013 #18

That just made me feel really, really old. libdem4life Aug 2013 #195

No it wasn't n/t ProSense Aug 2013 #23

people hear what they want to hear. spanone Aug 2013 #22

When did people get the idea that bombing a sovereign country's military isn't an act of war? Celefin Aug 2013 #26

We live in a time when words can be redefined zeemike Aug 2013 #53

No plan for peace, either. Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2013 #45

That IS the plan ctsnowman Aug 2013 #151

Donald Rumsfeld: "It could last six days, six weeks. I doubt six months" woo me with science Aug 2013 #121

serious question SwampG8r Aug 2013 #141

"no matter how cynical I get, I can't keep up" phantom power Aug 2013 #13

Truer words... n/t Hydra Aug 2013 #16

+1000 Celefin Aug 2013 #21

+1. How I feel too. I thought I was too cynical but they continue to astound me n/t Catherina Aug 2013 #39

In the context of international politics, there is no such thing as "too cynical." n/t Raksha Aug 2013 #118

+1. "I'm an idealist without illusions" - JFK Catherina Aug 2013 #188

I guess that would describe me too - "an idealist without illusions." Raksha Aug 2013 #196

Oh, you mean the story where the father was saying his son died in a tunnel Catherina Aug 2013 #197

Yes, that's the story I mean. I've been doing what I can to spread the word on Facebook. n/t Raksha Sep 2013 #199

+10000 n/t NRaleighLiberal Aug 2013 #51

this is the problem with our govt lying to us questionseverything Aug 2013 #24

You are right on all counts. avaistheone1 Sep 2013 #206

I remember '04 MisterP Aug 2013 #25

Are you sure Powell worked 8 yrs for a diplomatic solution in Iraq first? blm Aug 2013 #27

Solution to WHAT in Iraq? MNBrewer Aug 2013 #50

To whatever they said Saddam was doing in Iraq. blm Aug 2013 #52

SO what "solution" has been pursued in Syria? for 8 years.... MNBrewer Aug 2013 #54

My gawd...you mean you NEVER KNEW THIS? blm Aug 2013 #77

Assad was never under threat of attack by the US MNBrewer Aug 2013 #83

You're wrong. You don't know anything about Syria blm Aug 2013 #116

No MNBrewer Aug 2013 #138

You're apparently incapable of comprehending what blm Aug 2013 #161

utter codswallop inspired by your deep devotion to Kerry. cali Aug 2013 #177

utter ignorance inspired by those too lazy to study US-Syria issues blm Aug 2013 #182

Yeah what is disgusting is thinking treestar Aug 2013 #101

Agreed. That argument was first used by W's supporters, but it works as well here. delrem Aug 2013 #120

Well we were right about Iraq Carolina Aug 2013 #123

I don't believe that whatever we did 40 or more years ago treestar Aug 2013 #150

"Whatever we did 40 years ago..." Carolina Aug 2013 #160

So we let Assad get away with this? treestar Aug 2013 #164

Oh puhleeze Carolina Aug 2013 #189

We have not released such a chemical weapons attack as that treestar Aug 2013 #190

Really? Carolina Aug 2013 #191

"So we let Assad get away with this?" NealK Sep 2013 #205

All while Hillary was leading a "Friends of Syria" campaign. uh huh... delrem Aug 2013 #119

Hillary was one of the war hawks Kerry was angering blm Aug 2013 #156

well she ain't angry now. delrem Aug 2013 #176

She will be if they don't have a full-scale war. blm Aug 2013 #183

wow! and here is kerry to the rescue... tomp Aug 2013 #146

Your depiction is inaccurate. blm Aug 2013 #158

kinda weak on the follow through there, eh? nt tomp Sep 2013 #202

Touch� tomp Carolina Aug 2013 #163

Our security agency is paying the salaries of "Free" Syrian Army fighters... mojowork_n Aug 2013 #28

Powell was arguing for an inavsion and occupation in a country where no one was asking for any help. RDANGELO Aug 2013 #30

very few lives will be "saved" by our actions MNBrewer Aug 2013 #85

Looking for someone with integrity? Has Al Franken weighed in yet on Syria? AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #31

"Franken now says Obama has authority to launch air strikes without congressional dflprincess Aug 2013 #125

Oh good. First he supported the NSA's spying, then wanted to reform it after getting push-back from AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #184

You can save the seeds. DeSwiss Aug 2013 #32

A well thought out and considered response. geckosfeet Aug 2013 #34

"Speaking about" and calling for war are not the same things 1-Old-Man Aug 2013 #56

I did not hear anyone call for war. He said "a response". geckosfeet Aug 2013 #108

Why is everyone being so subtle? brooklynite Aug 2013 #35

I still curse the day I went to work for his campaign. Fuddnik Aug 2013 #37

I hear ya Carolina Aug 2013 #124

Yep, deja fucking vu whatchamacallit Aug 2013 #40

Kerry did not lie, but he did not answer why bombing would make things better--either for the people flpoljunkie Aug 2013 #42

To save the Syrians, we must bomb the shit out of them. Efilroft Sul Aug 2013 #47

Like Iran? RC Aug 2013 #80

If Israel wanted to be a good neighbor and promote peace JEB Aug 2013 #112

Like here, or any other country that wants to help in such an operation. Efilroft Sul Aug 2013 #129

RC, whoops! Efilroft Sul Aug 2013 #137

dear friends - please disabuse yourselves of the notion the dem party is some sort of peace party. KG Aug 2013 #44

I suppose it's another "slam dunk" MNBrewer Aug 2013 #49

I hate to piss in everyone's cheerios peace is a great idea it's a noble idea Arcanetrance Aug 2013 #55

the whole world should take a stand Skittles Aug 2013 #63

It shouldn't be but we can't even get the UN to unite in condemnation Arcanetrance Aug 2013 #69

Balderdash. 1-Old-Man Aug 2013 #67

I'm not ignoring anything and my outrage isn't false Arcanetrance Aug 2013 #70

Peace is nice, in "theory", but sometimes a man's gotta do what a man's gotta do... MNBrewer Aug 2013 #86

Wow yeah cause that's what I said Arcanetrance Aug 2013 #89

Is there ample proof? MNBrewer Aug 2013 #91

"Ample Proof" ???!!!! bvar22 Aug 2013 #99

Don't be leaving the women out of this... L0oniX Aug 2013 #171

+1 treestar Aug 2013 #102

Just like the Iraq invasion, they don't want an investigation of the gas thing to get in the way The_Casual_Observer Aug 2013 #61

It's like the movie Ground Hog day. sarcasmo Aug 2013 #66

+1 RC Aug 2013 #84

Now all presidents are George Bush markiv Aug 2013 #74

'Who wants to be the last man, to die for interventionism'? markiv Aug 2013 #76

Stand down in Syria polynomial Aug 2013 #81

1 Party, 2 Faces blkmusclmachine Aug 2013 #87

Shock and Awe after the 4 day initial bombing of Baghdad is illustrated by the same bunch trying to DhhD Aug 2013 #90

The "smoking gun/mushroom cloud" approach was evident. MNBrewer Aug 2013 #98

K&R forestpath Aug 2013 #104

K&R Thank you. idwiyo Aug 2013 #105

Even though I am against striking Syria, I totally disagree with this characterization. stevenleser Aug 2013 #110

How low have the mighty fallen. JEB Aug 2013 #111

Low. Low. 840high Aug 2013 #117

I only heard him on the radio pangaia Aug 2013 #113

K&R woo me with science Aug 2013 #115

We don't need to do this Rosa Luxemburg Aug 2013 #127

Kerry has been a real problem. David__77 Aug 2013 #130

IMO he is still wimpy and is trying to make himself look worthy of the SOS title. n/t L0oniX Aug 2013 #173

right. because there's not a dime's worth of difference between Al Gore and George Bush. right. greenman3610 Aug 2013 #131

Do Obama and Kerry think they have to appear like hardcases? DissidentVoice Aug 2013 #133

Where is Baby Jesus? You do realize Kerry's speech is underthematrix Aug 2013 #157

Not sure where you're getting this DissidentVoice Aug 2013 #186

Just remember that Colin Powell voted for President Obama. Twice Melynn Aug 2013 #134

OMG! I just posted this, and it was before I read this. I owe you a beer LaydeeBug Aug 2013 #135

Missed Kerry's Speech gussmith Aug 2013 #136

This is a conflation! shotten99 Aug 2013 #143

My sentiments exactly Not Sure Aug 2013 #145

Well, we got bullshit Obama=Bush comparisons so I guess this is a natural progression. great white snark Aug 2013 #152

I see most ctsnowman Aug 2013 #153

And yes I agree with 1-old-man tiredtoo Aug 2013 #168

I get your point, but it's not the same. dsharp88 Aug 2013 #169

Your blind faith in Kerry, just because he has a D after his name, is touching, but very misplaced. Beer Swiller Aug 2013 #175

That person provided facts for his reasoning and disagrees with Kerry. That is not blind faith. nt stevenleser Aug 2013 #178

See my #110. Mischaracterizations never help a cause in the long run. We don't need to do it to stevenleser Aug 2013 #172

Except for the fact that what Kerry says very likely happened -- very likely happened karynnj Aug 2013 #187

It should have been deeply embarrassing for him. What a shame. n/t Judi Lynn Sep 2013 #207