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Clames

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56. I don't have to make an assumption...

Mon Feb 27, 2012, 11:49 AM

Feb 2012

...about you and the facts when you attempt to make a complex socioeconomic principle a "simple matter of risk" when you obviously don't seem to know the vast difference in how this nation was engaged in the World Wars vs today. Do you honestly believe the populace today could be mobilized into anything approaching what was done in WW2? The transition from a draft to an all volunteer force? The level of integration of military and civil support structures? The major doctrinal changes of the US military over the last 30 years? The last 10? Laughable.

Just consider the state of the United States military before both World Wars and how easy it was to ramp up our military since we had so much butter.

No....no we did not. We were coming out of the Great Depression or had you forgotten? You might want to research mobilization efforts for wars fought by this country over the last 150 years or so. Conscription does amazing things to unemployment rates...

I really do suggest you pick up a few books and forget about Wiki and Google on this subject.

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