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42. Progressivism has historically been more concerned with domestic issues

Fri Aug 30, 2013, 10:43 PM

Aug 2013

than with foreign policy. Issues traditionally near and dear to progressive hearts are things like economic inequality, public education, promotion of science and facts, government corruption, etc. I think it could be argued that progressives are completely in line with that definition of progressivism. The administration is going through constitutional channels, not presenting solid, verifiable facts, engaging in a kind of imperialism. So really, you're completely wrong. If you can cite an instance where progressives of any era readily joined a government action toward invading a country that has not attacked us, I'd be happy to give your post some credence. But I'm sure you can't - because it never happened.

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Maybe I missed something...When exactly did Progressivism become Pacifism ? [View all] jessie04 Aug 2013 OP

Oh, you again. The same guy who posted Electric Monk Aug 2013 #1

Yeah...big pattern there. jessie04 Aug 2013 #3

We get that you are trying HangOnKids Aug 2013 #25

I don't trust the government to do what's right when it comes to military action. Gravitycollapse Aug 2013 #2

the NSA logs all our calls, to make sure we're not helping al quieda (sp?) markiv Aug 2013 #4

I've been staunchly anti-war since Bush began his war of lies LittleBlue Aug 2013 #5

Interesting... jessie04 Aug 2013 #10

You've been here since March 25 and LittleBlue Aug 2013 #14

Ha, they finally got Mjolnir? nt Bonobo Aug 2013 #16

Yep LittleBlue Aug 2013 #18

Any links? Bonobo Aug 2013 #19

For your gravedancing pleasure LittleBlue Aug 2013 #22

Mucho gracias. Bonobo Aug 2013 #24

Oh that just made me smile. nt Mojorabbit Aug 2013 #28

Whoa...I haven't bashed anyone , thank you. jessie04 Aug 2013 #26

Mirt deals with people under 100 posts. hrmjustin Aug 2013 #27

Well the admins or whoever LittleBlue Aug 2013 #32

So everyone who disagree with you is a troll? iandhr Aug 2013 #61

Vietnam was started & fought by liberal Democrats, too. That war almost killed the Party leveymg Aug 2013 #52

Yeah, I'll call them warmongers. Ken Burch Aug 2013 #56

Vietnam demsin06 Aug 2013 #6

R#5 & K for, labels are cliqueish & exclusionary. "Democratic" is mine. n/t UTUSN Aug 2013 #7

I trust Obama to do the right thing. JaneyVee Aug 2013 #8

I dam sure don't. 1-Old-Man Aug 2013 #11

He's never given me reason not to. Especially with John Kerry's backing. JaneyVee Aug 2013 #13

War-mongering is regressive so pacifism must be progressive 1-Old-Man Aug 2013 #9

Who said it's a question of pacifism? It's a question of national security. David__77 Aug 2013 #12

"but rather like Bolshevism and ultra-leftism." - Did you just pull that out of your behind? Gravitycollapse Aug 2013 #15

I know exactly what I'm saying. David__77 Aug 2013 #21

So you admit that your attempt to equate ultra-leftists with Bolshevism was bullshit. Gravitycollapse Aug 2013 #31

That's what I'd call minutia. David__77 Aug 2013 #48

It's not a minutiae. It reflects very poorly on your general understanding of the subject... Gravitycollapse Aug 2013 #55

Nuclear weapons? You mean, like we used on Japan? villager Aug 2013 #17

When did being fully informed ... GeorgeGist Aug 2013 #20

Even pacifists hate to see people dying from exposure to CBRN agents derby378 Aug 2013 #23

Maybe its AsahinaKimi Aug 2013 #29

Iran 1953. Guatemala 1954. Chile 1973. truebluegreen Aug 2013 #36

Yeah you missed the part where SomethingFishy Aug 2013 #30

Granted...you can't weep over every civil war jessie04 Aug 2013 #35

what do chefs have to do with this discussion? niyad Aug 2013 #40

Can't trust those bloody bastards... awoke_in_2003 Aug 2013 #47

Apparently 400 dead children in one chemical attack and scores more DevonRex Aug 2013 #33

Maybe we'll kill some more civilians through "collateral damage". They'll be crushed in neverforget Aug 2013 #38

Maybe since we started using wars as foreign policy... FBaggins Aug 2013 #34

I have always been a pacifist. Blue_In_AK Aug 2013 #37

Some county wants come over to attack my country, this anti war Autumn Aug 2013 #39

maybe before this discussion goes any further, you might want to give us your definition of pacifism niyad Aug 2013 #41

Progressivism has historically been more concerned with domestic issues intheflow Aug 2013 #42

When did the Democratic party become the worlds policemen? AgingAmerican Aug 2013 #43

Progressivism means opposition to any and every use of military force by geek tragedy Aug 2013 #44

It does seem that way. jessie04 Aug 2013 #63

Since when did it become fashionable to rush headlong into war? kentuck Aug 2013 #45

Not an unreasonable position... Adrahil Aug 2013 #71

When did supporting warmongering become progressive? Oh that's right, when MotherPetrie Aug 2013 #46

Yep, 1/20/2009. Moses2SandyKoufax Aug 2013 #58

When did it become warmongering? rug Aug 2013 #49

Well, there was this guy... progressoid Aug 2013 #50

For the record, I'm with you. Barack_America Aug 2013 #51

When we punish our own war criminals then we will have the moral authority to punish others dflprincess Aug 2013 #53

Who has the moral authority to punish Assad? Barack_America Aug 2013 #59

I don't know - but it's certainly not us dflprincess Aug 2013 #60

Well, we "punished" Saddam Hussein by killing a million Iraqis eridani Aug 2013 #67

When we realized that war can only have right-wing results from now on. Ken Burch Aug 2013 #54

When..? .. Bigmack Aug 2013 #57

THANK YOU for talking sense iandhr Aug 2013 #62

Not one person commented on Biologic or Nuclear weapons use ?? why?? jessie04 Aug 2013 #64

If you want to stop the use of chemical weapons, stop the US military from using them eridani Aug 2013 #65

Furthermore every Democratic President in history has approved and/or overseen military activities.. DCBob Aug 2013 #66

What will outrage progressives? Other than Costco closing early? Well, this... Safetykitten Aug 2013 #68

this is simplistic and none too swift. and that's the kind way to phrase it cali Aug 2013 #69

Ok...I may hate myself for responding to you but here goes... jessie04 Aug 2013 #72

It didn't.. sendero Aug 2013 #70

You did indeed, "miss something." 99Forever Aug 2013 #73

and what Assad did was nothing compared to Saddam Hussein - yet there were people right here on Douglas Carpenter Aug 2013 #74