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joshcryer

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17. I hope Obama reads his own government's assessment.
Sat Aug 31, 2013, 02:30 AM
Aug 2013

And, no, not the intercepts, not the evidence he might be presented directly, read what they're peddling to the American people.

Because that's really their position, they only have confidence, no proof. Confidence this, confidence that. That's fucking speculation. It's as bad as going to war based on my own speculation on this subject. It's nonsense.

Intelligence wonks sitting around a table having a discussion about this sort of thing, it's just insane. And I can see the President taking their talks more seriously and believing that "confidence" means more than what they're telling him to his face.

Basically if you're in a room with people telling you something dire but prefacing it with likelihoods and possibilities you're going to inclined to listen and take their word for it. They were right about Bin Laden (whatever the CT people think, I think Bin Laden was found and executed). That sort of thing probably is even more persuasive to Obama. Except in Bin Laden's case it wasn't a matter of "high confidence." They had a currier who gave Bin Laden away!

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It was released through the State Department, but its most significant sourcing is Israeli leveymg Aug 2013 #1
A link below that seems to load faster Tx4obama Aug 2013 #2
So it was released by the WH press secretary. morningfog Aug 2013 #9
It was also released by the State Department. I don't have a clue who wrote it. n/t Tx4obama Aug 2013 #10
Not good enough. We need names, ranks, dossiers! We are investigatin' here! Pretzel_Warrior Aug 2013 #24
Hell, a department or agency officially claiming it morningfog Aug 2013 #30
Reads like a bunch of intelligence interns sat down and wrote up some BS. joshcryer Aug 2013 #3
It tells us less than zero that wasn't available open-sourced already. Considerably less. leveymg Aug 2013 #12
I hope Obama reads his own government's assessment. joshcryer Aug 2013 #17
Exactly, Josh! pinboy3niner Aug 2013 #21
I think they think they can get away with it. joshcryer Aug 2013 #22
"What I did during my Summer vacation - got the United States into a Mideast War." leveymg Aug 2013 #23
"The United States Government assesses with high confidence" Autumn Aug 2013 #4
Typical neocon warmongering garbage jsr Aug 2013 #5
Contractors n/t Wilms Aug 2013 #6
Stop being so abusive to Obama. nt woo me with science Aug 2013 #7
+1984. The abused are the abusers. jsr Aug 2013 #11
It looks like something I could type in Word in 10 minutes. tarheelsunc Aug 2013 #8
Rule #1 of 'plausible deniability' - don't sign anything. n/t PoliticAverse Aug 2013 #13
+10000000 woo me with science Aug 2013 #16
"We know best and don't dare question us, America. USA USA USA Fuck yea!" quinnox Aug 2013 #14
It's garbage. David__77 Aug 2013 #15
Mickey Spillane n/t jtuck004 Aug 2013 #18
If the names of the interns that wrote this haven't been classified by now, truedelphi Aug 2013 #19
Oh my gosh, I remember that! woo me with science Aug 2013 #25
Have you ever seen "In the loop" by any chance? Democracyinkind Aug 2013 #27
I see the film gets played on the Sundance channel sometimes. truedelphi Aug 2013 #32
Appearances 90-percent Aug 2013 #20
Why anyone would believe anything the US government puts out about war is beyond me n/t eridani Aug 2013 #26
really? madrchsod Aug 2013 #28
Normally a report would have the name of the department and analysts that compiled it. Jesus Malverde Aug 2013 #29
Yet, Kerry cited exactly that in his speech. "Thousands of sources." morningfog Aug 2013 #31
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