So what is your red line? If Iran used a nuke and killed 1 million of it's own people

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44. Should a debate on red lines be hidden under the spector of speculative mushroom clouds?

Seems to me this tactic of escalating speculative rhetoric actually diverts attention from the fundamental question of the necessity of having red lines regarding intervention in crises in other countries.

It also demonstrates how some advocates believe that people's attitudes can be shifted by modifying the magnitude of the horror factor fictional situations, and the perceived utility of arguments like this in support of jingoistic psy-ops on the citizenry.

And even IF it is accepted that some level of atrocity warrants intervention, the world is stuck with trusting the intelligence of some nation's surveillance about the existence of such atrocity. What level of credibility must be reached to convince a nation that its people should support military intervention.

Surely you realize that the spector of mushroom cloud reminds the nation, and the world, of Bush Admin lies to the world. That memory works against credibility.