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Rockyj

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165. Syria NEVER attacked us!

Sat Aug 31, 2013, 10:31 AM

Aug 2013

CIA?

This should be the MAIN reason WHY we shouldn't STRIKE Syria!

Tell me if this isn't why Military Industrial Complex and Oil Corporations wanting us to strike:
"More than a year ago, a $10 billion Pipelineistan deal was clinched between Iran, Iraq and Syria for a natural gas pipeline to be built by 2016 from Iran's giant South Pars field, traversing Iraq and Syria, with a possible extension to Lebanon. Key export target market: Europe."

"...Iran-Iraq-Syria gas pipeline would be essential to diversify Europe's energy supplies away from Russia."

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2012/08/201285133440424621.html”

Who owns our government? Not the American people the MIC, Wall St. & Corporations! WE DO NOT WANT WAR! President Obama strikes Syria without Congress, United Nations & International Support I will actually support the bat shit crazy Tea Partiers to IMPEACH Obama!

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Watching John Kerry give Colin Powell's speech I am disgusted [View all] 1-Old-Man Aug 2013 OP

Sickening malaise Aug 2013 #1

Yep. Recall congress. What is the Goddamn rush? Little Star Aug 2013 #17

Is he holding up any vials of chemical icky stuff? leftstreet Aug 2013 #2

Here's an empty vial for you (warning pix of dead children): KittyWampus Aug 2013 #5

Did Syria do those, or the US? leftstreet Aug 2013 #6

oh you mean like when we sold biological weapons to Iraq and they used them on their own citizens an boomer55 Aug 2013 #8

Shhh leftstreet Aug 2013 #10

best post ever infinity elehhhhna Aug 2013 #95

lol Love it. ctsnowman Aug 2013 #148

Its way easier to keep your hands tied iamthebandfanman Aug 2013 #20

Except TimeToGo Aug 2013 #58

Oh. Then never mind. elehhhhna Aug 2013 #96

I suspect that the local Kurds may have minded a tad. ChairmanAgnostic Aug 2013 #103

+1 No kidding Harmony Blue Aug 2013 #15

Syria NEVER attacked us! Rockyj Aug 2013 #165

Now if these beautiful children here were charred remains... Celefin Aug 2013 #19

I dont think it's because it's "boring" robbob Aug 2013 #48

It's also marketing... *sigh* and of course you're right. Celefin Aug 2013 #62

Follow the money. pangaia Aug 2013 #114

Yes, it's interesting that the photos of the children in Fallujah were never shown sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #166

I'll remember that you, KittyWampus, Enthusiast Aug 2013 #29

I am against bombing Syria. So remember that Enthusiast. When you approve of comparing an empty vial KittyWampus Aug 2013 #36

It's possible, yes, but I prefer to acknowledge the similarities and sense of deja vu. elehhhhna Aug 2013 #97

this times 1000 qazplm Aug 2013 #179

You mean it might affect you? treestar Aug 2013 #100

No. It's not going to effect me. Enthusiast Aug 2013 #106

Why does it encourage military action? treestar Aug 2013 #109

Never address me. Enthusiast Aug 2013 #132

too bad. Public message board. A photo of something that actually happened treestar Aug 2013 #149

I couldn't tell if it was Fallujah, or the slaughtere of the Iraqis, many of them children sabrina 1 Sep 2013 #201

Frankly, I find it sickening that you keep posting these pictures to make your argument n/t Jeroen Aug 2013 #33

Better to look at the picture of those dead babies than Skidmore Aug 2013 #38

Did I pretend that the attack was some sort of minor dusting? Jeroen Aug 2013 #43

Incinerated you say? atreides1 Aug 2013 #65

And we do Carolina Aug 2013 #122

They will never show us the dead babies WE create when we strike AtheistCrusader Aug 2013 #68

How many American children die every year because of our policies on Heather MC Aug 2013 #140

They said the same thing about Bosnia in the 90s shotten99 Aug 2013 #142

"Conflicts" is a pleasant word for war Heather MC Aug 2013 #144

I agree, but honestly believe this isn't going to be a big deal on our part shotten99 Sep 2013 #200

I find it sick that some DU'ers claim this didn't happen, it's false flag or it's akin to Powell's KittyWampus Aug 2013 #46

No one is denying this horrible attack Jeroen Aug 2013 #57

+1000000 Jamastiene Sep 2013 #203

We're not claiming the attack didn't happen. Maedhros Aug 2013 #60

+ one million Celefin Aug 2013 #64

DU'ers are saying Kerry's speech = Colin Powell's vial. THAT IT IS A FACT. KittyWampus Aug 2013 #72

They are both overstating their case Maedhros Aug 2013 #75

In what way is Kerry overstating? Just Saying Aug 2013 #79

Conclusive evidence has not been presented that shows Assad is responspible. Maedhros Aug 2013 #93

Yes some DUers make that equation Celefin Aug 2013 #78

Some DU'ers are not claiming this did not happen. RC Aug 2013 #71

Is beating someone to death because they are gay more heinous that just beating someone to death? KittyWampus Aug 2013 #73

Scatter shot. RC Aug 2013 #82

there were a *few* posts saying the "dead kids" were drugged for the photo. dionysus Aug 2013 #126

What, is this sort of claim suddenly a problem? Scootaloo Aug 2013 #162

sorry man, i've never seen it before.. i stay out of I/P usually. dionysus Aug 2013 #192

I don't blame you Scootaloo Aug 2013 #193

cool. dionysus Aug 2013 #198

Exactly! ctsnowman Aug 2013 #155

+1 n/t IL Lib Aug 2013 #107

I find it sick that you're rooting for an attack that will likely kill many more people. NealK Sep 2013 #204

And that warning does what we one has already scrolled down the ohheckyeah Aug 2013 #59

I guess that means we must kill. Right? Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2013 #88

...and HOW many children did WE kill in Iraq? bvar22 Aug 2013 #94

as if you really cared fascisthunter Aug 2013 #128

Good thing our cruise missiles and drones are child safe. /nt Marr Aug 2013 #139

Assad us a lightweight when it comes to killing babies. MyNameGoesHere Aug 2013 #147

I'm sure you will post pics of the innocent dead from a US attack too. L0oniX Aug 2013 #170

But where is the incubator cord outlet? Warning...we're not idiots. libdem4life Aug 2013 #194

glad I don't have TV FirstLight Aug 2013 #3

Kinda feel a war/distraction is needed so they can fast-track/pass TPP which is a stillwaiting Aug 2013 #4

^This, what about the previous deaths before, this so called chemical attack? JRLeft Aug 2013 #9

+1: Distraction is exactly what it is Ocelot Aug 2013 #41

So "they" just got on the phone with their good buddy, Skidmore Aug 2013 #92

Ah yes... 99Forever Aug 2013 #154

Sometimes shadows are just shadows. Skidmore Aug 2013 #159

Having watched the reality of what ... 99Forever Aug 2013 #167

Wow! That's a whole lot of assuming you are doing about someone Skidmore Aug 2013 #174

My previous post updated.. 99Forever Aug 2013 #180

Very creative way to name call. Skidmore Aug 2013 #181

Excuse me? 99Forever Aug 2013 #185

new boss same as the old boss. n/t boomer55 Aug 2013 #7

They are all pod people now G_j Aug 2013 #11

Secretary John Kerry: No plan for war. ProSense Aug 2013 #12

Horseshit. His entire speech was a call to war 1-Old-Man Aug 2013 #14

I agree. avaistheone1 Aug 2013 #18

That just made me feel really, really old. libdem4life Aug 2013 #195

No it wasn't n/t ProSense Aug 2013 #23

people hear what they want to hear. spanone Aug 2013 #22

When did people get the idea that bombing a sovereign country's military isn't an act of war? Celefin Aug 2013 #26

We live in a time when words can be redefined zeemike Aug 2013 #53

No plan for peace, either. Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2013 #45

That IS the plan ctsnowman Aug 2013 #151

Donald Rumsfeld: "It could last six days, six weeks. I doubt six months" woo me with science Aug 2013 #121

serious question SwampG8r Aug 2013 #141

"no matter how cynical I get, I can't keep up" phantom power Aug 2013 #13

Truer words... n/t Hydra Aug 2013 #16

+1000 Celefin Aug 2013 #21

+1. How I feel too. I thought I was too cynical but they continue to astound me n/t Catherina Aug 2013 #39

In the context of international politics, there is no such thing as "too cynical." n/t Raksha Aug 2013 #118

+1. "I'm an idealist without illusions" - JFK Catherina Aug 2013 #188

I guess that would describe me too - "an idealist without illusions." Raksha Aug 2013 #196

Oh, you mean the story where the father was saying his son died in a tunnel Catherina Aug 2013 #197

Yes, that's the story I mean. I've been doing what I can to spread the word on Facebook. n/t Raksha Sep 2013 #199

+10000 n/t NRaleighLiberal Aug 2013 #51

this is the problem with our govt lying to us questionseverything Aug 2013 #24

You are right on all counts. avaistheone1 Sep 2013 #206

I remember '04 MisterP Aug 2013 #25

Are you sure Powell worked 8 yrs for a diplomatic solution in Iraq first? blm Aug 2013 #27

Solution to WHAT in Iraq? MNBrewer Aug 2013 #50

To whatever they said Saddam was doing in Iraq. blm Aug 2013 #52

SO what "solution" has been pursued in Syria? for 8 years.... MNBrewer Aug 2013 #54

My gawd...you mean you NEVER KNEW THIS? blm Aug 2013 #77

Assad was never under threat of attack by the US MNBrewer Aug 2013 #83

You're wrong. You don't know anything about Syria blm Aug 2013 #116

No MNBrewer Aug 2013 #138

You're apparently incapable of comprehending what blm Aug 2013 #161

utter codswallop inspired by your deep devotion to Kerry. cali Aug 2013 #177

utter ignorance inspired by those too lazy to study US-Syria issues blm Aug 2013 #182

Yeah what is disgusting is thinking treestar Aug 2013 #101

Agreed. That argument was first used by W's supporters, but it works as well here. delrem Aug 2013 #120

Well we were right about Iraq Carolina Aug 2013 #123

I don't believe that whatever we did 40 or more years ago treestar Aug 2013 #150

"Whatever we did 40 years ago..." Carolina Aug 2013 #160

So we let Assad get away with this? treestar Aug 2013 #164

Oh puhleeze Carolina Aug 2013 #189

We have not released such a chemical weapons attack as that treestar Aug 2013 #190

Really? Carolina Aug 2013 #191

"So we let Assad get away with this?" NealK Sep 2013 #205

All while Hillary was leading a "Friends of Syria" campaign. uh huh... delrem Aug 2013 #119

Hillary was one of the war hawks Kerry was angering blm Aug 2013 #156

well she ain't angry now. delrem Aug 2013 #176

She will be if they don't have a full-scale war. blm Aug 2013 #183

wow! and here is kerry to the rescue... tomp Aug 2013 #146

Your depiction is inaccurate. blm Aug 2013 #158

kinda weak on the follow through there, eh? nt tomp Sep 2013 #202

Touch� tomp Carolina Aug 2013 #163

Our security agency is paying the salaries of "Free" Syrian Army fighters... mojowork_n Aug 2013 #28

Powell was arguing for an inavsion and occupation in a country where no one was asking for any help. RDANGELO Aug 2013 #30

very few lives will be "saved" by our actions MNBrewer Aug 2013 #85

Looking for someone with integrity? Has Al Franken weighed in yet on Syria? AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #31

"Franken now says Obama has authority to launch air strikes without congressional dflprincess Aug 2013 #125

Oh good. First he supported the NSA's spying, then wanted to reform it after getting push-back from AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #184

You can save the seeds. DeSwiss Aug 2013 #32

A well thought out and considered response. geckosfeet Aug 2013 #34

"Speaking about" and calling for war are not the same things 1-Old-Man Aug 2013 #56

I did not hear anyone call for war. He said "a response". geckosfeet Aug 2013 #108

Why is everyone being so subtle? brooklynite Aug 2013 #35

I still curse the day I went to work for his campaign. Fuddnik Aug 2013 #37

I hear ya Carolina Aug 2013 #124

Yep, deja fucking vu whatchamacallit Aug 2013 #40

Kerry did not lie, but he did not answer why bombing would make things better--either for the people flpoljunkie Aug 2013 #42

To save the Syrians, we must bomb the shit out of them. Efilroft Sul Aug 2013 #47

Like Iran? RC Aug 2013 #80

If Israel wanted to be a good neighbor and promote peace JEB Aug 2013 #112

Like here, or any other country that wants to help in such an operation. Efilroft Sul Aug 2013 #129

RC, whoops! Efilroft Sul Aug 2013 #137

dear friends - please disabuse yourselves of the notion the dem party is some sort of peace party. KG Aug 2013 #44

I suppose it's another "slam dunk" MNBrewer Aug 2013 #49

I hate to piss in everyone's cheerios peace is a great idea it's a noble idea Arcanetrance Aug 2013 #55

the whole world should take a stand Skittles Aug 2013 #63

It shouldn't be but we can't even get the UN to unite in condemnation Arcanetrance Aug 2013 #69

Balderdash. 1-Old-Man Aug 2013 #67

I'm not ignoring anything and my outrage isn't false Arcanetrance Aug 2013 #70

Peace is nice, in "theory", but sometimes a man's gotta do what a man's gotta do... MNBrewer Aug 2013 #86

Wow yeah cause that's what I said Arcanetrance Aug 2013 #89

Is there ample proof? MNBrewer Aug 2013 #91

"Ample Proof" ???!!!! bvar22 Aug 2013 #99

Don't be leaving the women out of this... L0oniX Aug 2013 #171

+1 treestar Aug 2013 #102

Just like the Iraq invasion, they don't want an investigation of the gas thing to get in the way The_Casual_Observer Aug 2013 #61

It's like the movie Ground Hog day. sarcasmo Aug 2013 #66

+1 RC Aug 2013 #84

Now all presidents are George Bush markiv Aug 2013 #74

'Who wants to be the last man, to die for interventionism'? markiv Aug 2013 #76

Stand down in Syria polynomial Aug 2013 #81

1 Party, 2 Faces blkmusclmachine Aug 2013 #87

Shock and Awe after the 4 day initial bombing of Baghdad is illustrated by the same bunch trying to DhhD Aug 2013 #90

The "smoking gun/mushroom cloud" approach was evident. MNBrewer Aug 2013 #98

K&R forestpath Aug 2013 #104

K&R Thank you. idwiyo Aug 2013 #105

Even though I am against striking Syria, I totally disagree with this characterization. stevenleser Aug 2013 #110

How low have the mighty fallen. JEB Aug 2013 #111

Low. Low. 840high Aug 2013 #117

I only heard him on the radio pangaia Aug 2013 #113

K&R woo me with science Aug 2013 #115

We don't need to do this Rosa Luxemburg Aug 2013 #127

Kerry has been a real problem. David__77 Aug 2013 #130

IMO he is still wimpy and is trying to make himself look worthy of the SOS title. n/t L0oniX Aug 2013 #173

right. because there's not a dime's worth of difference between Al Gore and George Bush. right. greenman3610 Aug 2013 #131

Do Obama and Kerry think they have to appear like hardcases? DissidentVoice Aug 2013 #133

Where is Baby Jesus? You do realize Kerry's speech is underthematrix Aug 2013 #157

Not sure where you're getting this DissidentVoice Aug 2013 #186

Just remember that Colin Powell voted for President Obama. Twice Melynn Aug 2013 #134

OMG! I just posted this, and it was before I read this. I owe you a beer LaydeeBug Aug 2013 #135

Missed Kerry's Speech gussmith Aug 2013 #136

This is a conflation! shotten99 Aug 2013 #143

My sentiments exactly Not Sure Aug 2013 #145

Well, we got bullshit Obama=Bush comparisons so I guess this is a natural progression. great white snark Aug 2013 #152

I see most ctsnowman Aug 2013 #153

And yes I agree with 1-old-man tiredtoo Aug 2013 #168

I get your point, but it's not the same. dsharp88 Aug 2013 #169

Your blind faith in Kerry, just because he has a D after his name, is touching, but very misplaced. Beer Swiller Aug 2013 #175

That person provided facts for his reasoning and disagrees with Kerry. That is not blind faith. nt stevenleser Aug 2013 #178

See my #110. Mischaracterizations never help a cause in the long run. We don't need to do it to stevenleser Aug 2013 #172

Except for the fact that what Kerry says very likely happened -- very likely happened karynnj Aug 2013 #187

It should have been deeply embarrassing for him. What a shame. n/t Judi Lynn Sep 2013 #207