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KittyWampus

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Sat Aug 31, 2013, 10:49 AM Aug 2013

Judge Rules Americans Have A Right To Air Travel, Takes Aim At ‘No Fly’ List [View all]

Judge Rules Americans Have A Right To Air Travel, Takes Aim At ‘No Fly’ List
by JEAN ANN ESSELINK on AUGUST 30, 2013
in CIVIL RIGHTS,JEAN ANN ESSELINK,NEWS

A Federal Judge in Portland Oregon ruled yesterday that air travel is not a “mere convenience” as the government maintains, but a constitutional right that cannot be taken away without due process. The decision puts in jeopardy the use of the current ‘No Fly’ list because the government does not even inform citizens their names are being added, much less give them an opportunity to contest their inclusion. Judge Anna J. Brown ruled:


“Although there are perhaps viable alternatives to flying for domestic travel within the continental United States such as traveling by car or train, the Court disagrees with Defendants’ contention that international air travel is a mere convenience in light of the realities of our modern world. Such an argument ignores the numerous reasons an individual may have for wanting or needing to travel overseas quickly such as for the birth of a child, the death of a loved one, a business opportunity, or a religious obligation… the Court concludes on this record that Plaintiffs have a constitutionally-protected liberty interest in traveling internationally by air, which is affected by being placed on the list.”

The lawsuit was brought by the ACLU on behalf of thirteen people, including four former servicemen, whose names appear on the government’s No Fly List, though they say they have no idea why. News of the favorable decision was posted on the ACLU website last evening.

The ACLU argued the No Fly List violates the Fifth Amendment, which guarantees that a citizen cannot be deprived of liberty without due process. They further argued that no one is ever informed that they are on the list; the only way to know for sure is to buy a ticket and see if screeners allow you on a plane. They also contend that the government will not tell people on the list why they have been included, nor is there any reliable procedure to be taken off the No Fly List. Judge Brown agreed.


http://thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/judge-rules-americans-have-a-right-to-air-travel-takes-aim-at-no-fly-list/news/

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Yes! gopiscrap Aug 2013 #1
I applaud any move to expand our rights . . . . Agnosticsherbet Aug 2013 #2
I'm sure Fat Tony and the other fascists will fix that. Hassin Bin Sober Aug 2013 #3
Thank heaven sedan chairs were out of fashion by then. Morning Dew Aug 2013 #12
This is an important point. Thanks for posting. cthulu2016 Aug 2013 #4
Exactly.....priveleges can be taken away, but not rights. dixiegrrrrl Aug 2013 #5
Rights can be taken away, but only through due process NutmegYankee Sep 2013 #26
+1,000,000!!! I have been on that stupid list since 12/2001! Dustlawyer Aug 2013 #6
They assigned you an FBI agent? The only upsides (black humor) are you made a new friend AND KittyWampus Aug 2013 #8
1 out of 2 ain't bad! I took the whole family to Jamaica! Dustlawyer Sep 2013 #25
+10 to the ninth power indepat Aug 2013 #21
You would think that if the founding fathers had meant for us to travel by air... eggplant Aug 2013 #7
And E-mails and the Internet. RC Aug 2013 #9
ROTFL. eggplant Aug 2013 #16
Excellent. The No Fly List is an absolute Orwellian obscenity. (nt) Nye Bevan Aug 2013 #10
Since 9/11, the government has done everything they can to destroy air travel. Initech Aug 2013 #11
OMG! I am CRYING! Free at last! Free at last! Demeter Aug 2013 #13
Thought they'd use the assumption of innocence.... Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2013 #14
Such a ruling was warranted the day the no-fly list appeared in it present form. Where the eff indepat Aug 2013 #15
they've been waiting for someone with standing to file suit. n/t eggplant Aug 2013 #17
If no one has bothered or cared to file a lawsuit, then it must not have been a problem indepat Aug 2013 #18
I don't understand your point. eggplant Aug 2013 #19
Don't understand why it has taken so long for a lawsuit to be filed indepat Aug 2013 #20
It was filed over three years ago. eggplant Sep 2013 #24
This is something Pres Obama could have taken care of years ago. nm rhett o rick Aug 2013 #22
THANK YOU. snot Sep 2013 #23
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