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Sat Aug 31, 2013, 11:33 AM

Aug 2013

In an Aug. 19th Guardian story Miranda said he had no idea what he was carrying from "Laura" to Greenwald.

"His carry-on bags were searched and, he says, police confiscated a computer, two pen drives, an external hard drive and several other electronic items, including a games console, as well two newly bought watches and phones that were packaged and boxed in his stowed luggage.

"They got me to tell them the passwords for my computer and mobile phone," Miranda said. "They said I was obliged to answer all their questions and used the words 'prison' and 'station' all the time."

"It is clear why they took me. It's because I'm Glenn's partner. Because I went to Berlin. Because Laura lives there. So they think I have a big connection," he said. "But I don't have a role. I don't look at documents. I don't even know if it was documents that I was carrying. It could have been for the movie that Laura is working on."

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/19/david-miranda-interview-detention-heathrow

Greenwald's statements have just been indignation concerning the detention of Miranda and have neither confirmed nor denied that Miranda knew what he was carrying - as far as I can tell.

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So Its Now Pretty Obvious Snowden Gave the Names of US and British Agents to China and Russia [View all] arely staircase Aug 2013 OP

As they should be. nt kelliekat44 Aug 2013 #1

Errr..... What? You advocate giving up our agents to our adversaries? Adrahil Aug 2013 #31

I think the poster menat they should be "in deep shit." nt arely staircase Aug 2013 #35

How do you know its not PLANTED? Rockyj Aug 2013 #37

has greenwald said it was? nt arely staircase Aug 2013 #45

Any evidence of that? nt Adrahil Aug 2013 #53

Greenwald's outrage is planted to...to...now I'm so confused! randome Aug 2013 #54

very funny. n/t BlueToTheBone Aug 2013 #63

Come to think of it, you may be right! treestar Aug 2013 #91

I don't know about the op being funny BlueToTheBone Aug 2013 #104

You know you're in bad shape when your default and assumed position is treestar Aug 2013 #90

That will be Turbineguy Aug 2013 #2

All I know is I sure am glad I'm not them madokie Aug 2013 #3

Creative Speculation Downwinder Aug 2013 #4

simple inferencing nt arely staircase Aug 2013 #5

simple something MNBrewer Aug 2013 #6

Why didn't Assange ever release the files he got on Russia? KittyWampus Aug 2013 #7

Wild-ass guessing with no basis at all muriel_volestrangler Aug 2013 #10

well, no basis other than all the top secret documents with the encryption code written on paper arely staircase Aug 2013 #20

Miranda did not go to Russia or China - this all your fantasy (nt) muriel_volestrangler Aug 2013 #143

no but the guy he got the stuff from damn sure did. nt arely staircase Aug 2013 #155

So the Brits TM99 Aug 2013 #206

Miranda claims he had no idea what he was carrying. If he is telling the truth arely staircase Aug 2013 #207

There is no way in hell that TM99 Aug 2013 #209

He claimed he didn't know what he was carrying and yet he had the "password" arely staircase Aug 2013 #210

There is so much speculation in that article as it is. TM99 Aug 2013 #211

No, the op is making it up as he goes. nt Mojorabbit Aug 2013 #230

CIA Runs Agents - NSA Does Signals Intelligence - Why Would Agent Names Be Part Of NSA Files? cantbeserious Aug 2013 #26

Why indeed? Especially when most of the NSA "intel" is private Communions between people just living RC Aug 2013 #62

Yes - Signals Intelligence (SIGINT) And Human Intelligence (HUMINT) Are Quite Different Matters cantbeserious Aug 2013 #68

Because there is cross-pollination? sweetloukillbot Aug 2013 #191

Because Of The Division Of Responsibility Be The Tow Intelligence Agencies cantbeserious Aug 2013 #199

So the NSA doesn't know what the CIA is doing. OK gotcha. sweetloukillbot Aug 2013 #212

InterAgency Rivalry Is Still InterAgency Rivalry cantbeserious Aug 2013 #217

According to DU rules shouldn't this kind of thread be in Conspiracy Theories. avaistheone1 Aug 2013 #131

since it is being reported today by the washington post, cnn and business insider arely staircase Aug 2013 #135

The media has a vested interest in spinning conspiracy theories. avaistheone1 Aug 2013 #138

oh ok then I guess we should post all stories from major media outlets arely staircase Aug 2013 #139

"Boyfriend" Bonobo Aug 2013 #8

They do tend to give themselves away, don't they? MNBrewer Aug 2013 #11

Well, how should Greenwald's partner be referenced? rbixby Aug 2013 #13

no shit. arely staircase Aug 2013 #18

No, no, he was a journalist because...Greenwald said so. randome Aug 2013 #19

I'm still trying to wrap my head around "boyfriend" being a homophobic slur arely staircase Aug 2013 #24

Greenwald is married to Miranda, so 'boyfriend' is now a homophobic slur Whisp Aug 2013 #29

Had I known they were married I would have called him his husband. arely staircase Aug 2013 #32

their having to resort to this sort of thing treestar Aug 2013 #93

Greenwald refers to him as partner, as do most stories sweetloukillbot Aug 2013 #189

The detention of my partner, David Miranda otohara Aug 2013 #190

I don't think that is accurate. MADem Aug 2013 #174

okay, I'm not sure where I heard they were Whisp Aug 2013 #178

They are in a long-term relationship, that much we know. MADem Aug 2013 #181

Spouse. GeorgeGist Sep 2013 #236

well I guess I will have to stop calling mine that arely staircase Aug 2013 #21

Wtf? Adrahil Aug 2013 #36

One of my best friends is gay. MNBrewer Aug 2013 #41

so me and mine should stop calling each other that? seriously we would both like to know what you arely staircase Aug 2013 #48

LOL! randome Aug 2013 #65

we have our password memorized arely staircase Aug 2013 #70

hee hee. n/t Whisp Aug 2013 #85

DUZY!.....for " journalists "...brilliant . Nt pkdu Aug 2013 #182

One of my best friends is straight and you know what? He first introduced her as 'my date' and Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #115

Which implies it is much easier to know the proper term when one is more close to the parties. Liberal Veteran Aug 2013 #224

and i know straight and gay people who refer to people they have been with more than 5 years as JI7 Sep 2013 #243

uh, he is in fact thus. nt arely staircase Aug 2013 #17

Unfortunately, many of the mainstream media accounts use that term. pnwmom Aug 2013 #154

I assumed they weren't for that very reason. nt arely staircase Aug 2013 #157

I'm still not convinced those were Snowden's documents. randome Aug 2013 #9

names are probably secret joshcryer Aug 2013 #16

But why would they be so sloppy? Whisp Aug 2013 #34

Exciting chapter and publicity for his book. nt arely staircase Aug 2013 #39

you know, it could be as simple as that. Whisp Aug 2013 #77

I don't think they are smart enough to do feints. randome Aug 2013 #52

The US and the UK share lots of intel Adrahil Aug 2013 #38

But didn't Snowden give everything to Greenwald earlier? randome Aug 2013 #42

good question! n/t Whisp Aug 2013 #94

Is this another #5/#13 weekend? PSPS Aug 2013 #12

1. "I am not here to hide from justice." randome Aug 2013 #14

15. They're not giving Obama the opportunity to TRULY excel jsr Aug 2013 #22

he ended warrantless wiretapping, raised taxes on the rich ended torture and did not cut arely staircase Aug 2013 #203

14 arguments you can't refute treestar Aug 2013 #97

Probably, pretty obvious, likely... or maybe just making stuff up. reformist2 Aug 2013 #15

I choose door number four AgingAmerican Aug 2013 #129

meanwhile greenwald is writing his book.... madrchsod Aug 2013 #23

Speculation At Best - CIA Runs Agents - Not NSA - All Part Of Continuing Character Assassination Efforts cantbeserious Aug 2013 #25

These were British documents detailing British agents. randome Aug 2013 #30

Snowden TooK NSA Files - Why Would British Agents Be Part Of Signal Intelligence Files cantbeserious Aug 2013 #33

It's my contention that this Libertarian 'Army' does a lot more spying than we thought. randome Aug 2013 #40

Interesting Speculation - AFAIK The Files Related To Signals Intelligence Not Covert Spy Networks cantbeserious Aug 2013 #43

Journalists investigate stories. JDPriestly Aug 2013 #73

Greenwald is smart enough, I agree. randome Aug 2013 #79

So you theorize that there is a Libertarian Army conspiring to spy on somebody? rhett o rick Aug 2013 #144

It's a theory. A guess. The fact that Wikileaks rushed to Snowden's defense 'proves' nothing. randome Aug 2013 #151

Libertarian army? neverforget Aug 2013 #152

You'll notice that 'army' is quoted, which is grammatical shorthand for 'so-called'. randome Aug 2013 #156

Shouldnt discussions of a mystic Libertarian Army and their conspiracy be relegated to rhett o rick Aug 2013 #165

The only thing 'mystic' about this group is Snowden's claims of omniscience. randome Aug 2013 #172

So you claim there really is a "Libertarian Army"? nm rhett o rick Aug 2013 #175

Not an army. An 'army'! randome Aug 2013 #202

Don't Hosts only deal with the Original Post in a thread?... SidDithers Aug 2013 #214

Are you asking or telling? I didnt even mention "hosts". I was simply trying to rhett o rick Aug 2013 #216

dunno arely staircase Aug 2013 #44

Again Speculation - Signals Intelligence Information And Spy Networks And Agent Name Are Not The Same cantbeserious Aug 2013 #46

so then the phone data collection isn't spying, since it is being done by the NSA? nt arely staircase Aug 2013 #50

That is not even an attempt at an honest argument. Warren Stupidity Aug 2013 #66

i know I am calling bullshit on the poster's claim the NSA isn't a spy organization nt arely staircase Aug 2013 #72

I Never Stated That The NSA Does Not "Spy" - However, The NSA Does Not "Run" Agent Networks cantbeserious Aug 2013 #78

The dishonest responder is conflating Warren Stupidity Aug 2013 #113

Signals Intelligence (SIGINT) and Human Intelligence (HUMINT) Are Quite Different Parts Of "Spying" cantbeserious Aug 2013 #71

I am well aware of that. arely staircase Aug 2013 #75

Yes - NSA Does Not "Run" Agent Networks - The CIA "Runs" Agent Networks cantbeserious Aug 2013 #76

I missed that. Can you provide a link? nm rhett o rick Aug 2013 #121

The link in the OP refers to them as "highly classified UK intelligence documents." randome Aug 2013 #132

Snowden originally worked for the CIA. Maybe he ultimately is part of the CIA/NSA feud over funding. KittyWampus Aug 2013 #74

So who gets to do the actual blackmailing? randome Aug 2013 #80

Further evidence that there's only one kind of conspiracy theory allowed in GD. Democracyinkind Aug 2013 #27

+1. Ain't THAT the stone cold truth. nt Bonobo Aug 2013 #47

DU rec...nt SidDithers Aug 2013 #28

Upsetting. Fucking idiots. TwilightGardener Aug 2013 #49

Snowden worked for the CIA in Geneva and elsewhere. His collection probably goes back FarCenter Aug 2013 #51

"Obvious?" How do you know that? You don't. You are guessing and that theory fits JDPriestly Aug 2013 #55

for the hundredth time arely staircase Aug 2013 #114

Those claims were made in legal arguments requesting the permission of the court to review JDPriestly Aug 2013 #158

they have indeed asked (and I believe received) permission from the court to continue to analyze the arely staircase Aug 2013 #167

Your "facts" are dotymed Aug 2013 #56

well I am a computer algorithm persona within a giant NSA mainframe computer arely staircase Aug 2013 #59

Very telling......eom dotymed Aug 2013 #82

This mission is too important for me to allow you to jeopardize it. arely staircase Aug 2013 #87

With enough time to write 33 posts a day HangOnKids Sep 2013 #233

counting other DUrs posts arely staircase Sep 2013 #239

Valerie Plame chuckstevens Aug 2013 #57

That is true, and very disturbing, isn't it? Whisp Aug 2013 #102

Great HangOnKids Sep 2013 #235

they have called me homophobic arely staircase Sep 2013 #241

We knew about that because Joe and Valerie told us. See the difference? Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #111

Because no-one in the real world has said he did 'give up' any intelligence agents muriel_volestrangler Sep 2013 #245

I really hate to contribute to these flame bait/character assassination posts, but hueymahl Aug 2013 #58

ok arely staircase Aug 2013 #69

The UK Govt. is judging security? The same UK Govt. that allowed all their shit to get stolen? n/t TheBlackAdder Aug 2013 #130

so, uh arely staircase Aug 2013 #134

You've completely missed the point. TheBlackAdder Aug 2013 #136

no, the British government has implied their secrets were stolen arely staircase Aug 2013 #225

Thank you. hueymahl Aug 2013 #221

I wrote here on DU when this Snowden thing first came up underthematrix Aug 2013 #60

How do you know creeksneakers2 Aug 2013 #61

here arely staircase Aug 2013 #64

Well, it's weird, is what it is. bemildred Aug 2013 #67

he should have used snowden's invisibility hoodie arely staircase Aug 2013 #84

Being snotty won''t get you far with me, Sir. bemildred Aug 2013 #86

yes, credibility has indeed been damaged. nt arely staircase Aug 2013 #89

Mr. Greenwald's certainly has, and Ms Poitras is in question, but it remains to be proven. bemildred Aug 2013 #92

someone here has suggested the stuff was planted on Miranda's computer. arely staircase Aug 2013 #98

Anything is possible at this point. They all lie. bemildred Aug 2013 #103

one thing is for sure arely staircase Aug 2013 #108

Well, he obviously likes his job, so I do expect him to keep at it, as best he can. bemildred Aug 2013 #112

He will also issue some sanctimonious tweets as soon as the story starts changing too n/t sweetloukillbot Aug 2013 #198

Right, we don't want anybody acting sanctimonious, do we? bemildred Sep 2013 #238

It's alien hoodies that are spying on us! That 'woman' is obviously a plastic manikin! randome Aug 2013 #105

to serve man nt arely staircase Aug 2013 #109

Yes. I can't see Poitras sending a password on a piece of paper. Mojorabbit Aug 2013 #231

I think Glenn and comrad eddie are communist spies. stonecutter357 Aug 2013 #81

They are their own worst enemies so maybe the best thing to do is leave them be. randome Aug 2013 #88

Wow. 1950 called. They want their red baiting back. Warren Stupidity Aug 2013 #218

No one is coming after you. stonecutter357 Sep 2013 #237

"Its Now Pretty Obvious " Really? How so? rhett o rick Aug 2013 #83

because their security methods suck arely staircase Aug 2013 #95

You are pushing a Conspiracy Theory. rhett o rick Aug 2013 #117

lol arely staircase Aug 2013 #124

Did you read the articles? Speculation and theory. rhett o rick Aug 2013 #179

So the NSA totally blows off pretty basic data protections, and that's cool, but MannyGoldstein Aug 2013 #96

Yeah, except the story is unbelievable. caseymoz Aug 2013 #99

Link? Octafish Aug 2013 #100

links arely staircase Aug 2013 #133

Does using the phrase "forward deployed intelligence operatives" mean . . . TomClash Aug 2013 #101

the story that has been posted several times in this thread arely staircase Aug 2013 #106

Except this basically refutes your suppositions: scarletwoman Aug 2013 #107

LINK PLEASE? Ocelot Aug 2013 #110

CT should not be allowed in GD. Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #116

But I notice that the Anti-CT squad has approved this message. They only lock CT that goes against rhett o rick Aug 2013 #119

There is no amorphous 'they'. randome Aug 2013 #123

Personally I think we are to "CT" paranoid. Obviously some CT gets way crazy, but rhett o rick Aug 2013 #169

Awww.... SidDithers Aug 2013 #163

I am disappointed but not surprised at your petty ridicule. Are you here to only rhett o rick Aug 2013 #173

Wait... SidDithers Aug 2013 #176

That is your argument? You're justifying your behavior on what I do? rhett o rick Aug 2013 #184

Pot. Kettle...nt SidDithers Aug 2013 #197

Well yah. Volunteer as a gd host. Interesting things Warren Stupidity Aug 2013 #219

I am a GD host. And it is very interesting. nm rhett o rick Aug 2013 #220

uh huh arely staircase Aug 2013 #120

you wouldn't be one who still thinks Hastings car was hacked Whisp Aug 2013 #141

Don't forget the FBI plot to kill OWS protestors in Houston. arely staircase Aug 2013 #196

It is not obvious all. There can be many alternate explanations. totodeinhere Aug 2013 #118

my spin? arely staircase Aug 2013 #128

Why should private contractors have access to this information in the first place? Snake Plissken Aug 2013 #122

Apparently Snowden used his coworkers' passwords. randome Aug 2013 #125

definitely nt arely staircase Aug 2013 #126

Except the article doesn't say that AgingAmerican Aug 2013 #127

really arely staircase Aug 2013 #137

Except it doesn't say that... Whisp Aug 2013 #142

Assume AgingAmerican Aug 2013 #148

so that should also apply to Snowden, proof he can hack into Obama's email, etc., Whisp Aug 2013 #164

Assume = wild guess AgingAmerican Aug 2013 #168

and conspicuously absent is a denial from miranda, greenwald, etc. arely staircase Aug 2013 #149

I am losing track on the sequence of events... Whisp Aug 2013 #166

ok arely staircase Aug 2013 #186

I certainly can be wrong on this Whisp Aug 2013 #192

if he did send Miranda through Heathrow unknowingly carrying an encrypted list of British agents arely staircase Aug 2013 #195

Had to "ASSUME" AgingAmerican Aug 2013 #146

so if someone not intrusted with your credit cards got ahold of them and took off to europe arely staircase Aug 2013 #153

And when you're talking about people's lives at stake, it's even more important to not take chances. randome Aug 2013 #159

Exactly. nt arely staircase Aug 2013 #160

Actually, the very act of trying to move agents to safety can endanger them. randome Aug 2013 #161

Nice try except AgingAmerican Aug 2013 #171

yeah, the stakes are much higher than a credit card situation -lives are on the line nt arely staircase Aug 2013 #227

Lives are on the line 'if what they made up is true' AgingAmerican Sep 2013 #232

The only thing "obvious" is that claims have been made stupidicus Aug 2013 #140

so they can't count encrypted files? nt arely staircase Aug 2013 #145

it's your material/proof stupidicus Aug 2013 #170

if the british can decrypt enough of it to see that the info revealed the identities of their agents arely staircase Aug 2013 #187

And IF pigs could fly AgingAmerican Aug 2013 #200

and if you would make a coherent point we could discuss this issue nt arely staircase Aug 2013 #201

good grief stupidicus Sep 2013 #246

What do you think he was doing at the Russian consulate with the data? arely staircase Sep 2013 #247

it's child's play against the likes of you stupidicus Sep 2013 #248

Spending a couple of days at the Russian consulate in Hong Kong... SidDithers Aug 2013 #147

Visiting old friends? MADem Aug 2013 #177

It certainly makes the choice of Moscow the destination from Hong Kong curious... SidDithers Aug 2013 #180

I am singing from that same sheet music. MADem Aug 2013 #183

His 30th birthday party then off to a private residence for arely staircase Aug 2013 #193

Well this OP sure has distinguished the thinkers from the haters. delrem Aug 2013 #150

good lord. ucrdem Aug 2013 #162

I would, at a minimum, like to see Snowden answer for his actions. NCTraveler Aug 2013 #185

This is about an inability to secure information. mick063 Aug 2013 #188

Since we are throwing CT Harmony Blue Aug 2013 #194

Posts like this are an embarrassment to the DU Community. bvar22 Aug 2013 #204

We do have a forum for that. It's called 'General Discussion'. randome Aug 2013 #205

This should be filed next to Colin Powell's speech before the UN. bvar22 Aug 2013 #208

Detained partner of Guardian journalist was ‘human carrier pigeon’, High Court is told Whisp Aug 2013 #213

More lies from the authoritarian camp. n/t alarimer Aug 2013 #215

Your insults are homophobic. GeorgeGist Aug 2013 #222

Your criticism is weak. Whisp Aug 2013 #223

given what I just spent the last hour and a half doing arely staircase Aug 2013 #229

No, it's not. woo me with science Aug 2013 #226

It's been obvious from the beginning Benton D Struckcheon Aug 2013 #228

we have had some discussions that didnt go badly SwampG8r Sep 2013 #234

gay and bisexual men have boyfriends, I know because I am one who does. jeez arely staircase Sep 2013 #240

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